Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

opinionated3

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This exact example shows why NPHET won’t signal any easing of restrictions

You’ve made the point as well as Holohan would’ve.

He's wasting his own time. The people generally have had enough of his over cautious rhetoric. Its being ignored as I type this.
Open up. Let's get back to living and working

Kiith

What the **** is NPHET's actual plan here? Less then 200 in hospital, under 50 in the ICU, and a decent chuck of the population (large chunk of the vulnerable) vaccinated. So lets have more severe restrictions then last summer when we had no vaccines? They seem to be on the zero covid train, cause that's about the only explanation i can think of for them continuing on this path.

The day before the easing of some restrictions, they once again come out with this ****ing bull****! It's a complete ****ing farce at this stage. :mad:

_Kaiser_

MOR316 wrote: »

I was told some weeks ago, by someone very close to the situation, that NPHET don't want pubs opened in any capacity, indoor or outdoor until September, at the absolute earliest... Their intention is/was February 2022

Looks like that person is being proved correct...

That's because Holohan has an anti-alcohol agenda that he's using the "crisis" to push through.

He's kept pubs closed or limited for most of the last year, minimum alcohol pricing is imminent, and he's really trying to push this idea of gastro pubs replacing traditional pubs going forward.

I don't even go to the pub much anymore (pre-Covid obviously), but the intent is clear.

JRant

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Holohan and co are dead right about how ppl will completely disregard indoor gathering risks

Especially if alcohol is involved

Holohan and Co need to mind their business with what people do in their own homes. This infantilism of people needs to be stamped out post haste.

Kivaro

For the sake of the country's collective mental health, I am advocating one last very strict month-long MHQ-type lockdown. We all need to hold firm and make sure that this lockdown happens.

For this lockdown, I would like to see all government cabinet ministers and NPHET members quarantined at RTE's very large facility at Donnybrook. An electrified fence should be erected around this facility and guarded by the army. No member of the cabinet, NPHET, and especially RTE should be allowed out of this facility. And we most definitely need to cut off their internet access and deny them their most coveted platform that they use to formulate polices and spread their fearmongering i.e. Social Media.

I predict that this would lead to a resounding success and a very happy citizenry.

KrustyUCC

MOR316 wrote: »

I was told some weeks ago, by someone very close to the situation, that NPHET don't want pubs opened in any capacity, indoor or outdoor until September, at the absolute earliest... Their intention is/was February 2022

Looks like that person is being proved correct...

Well that's very bleak

Plenty of businesses won't survive that long

So we'd have majority vaccinated yet no hospitality for over a year lol

Some joke from NPHET

opinionated3

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Well that's very bleak

Plenty of businesses won't survive that long

So we'd have majority vaccinated yet no hospitality for over a year lol

Some joke from NPHET

And meanwhile the rest of Europe will be moving on with their lives. As they should.

B2021M

opinionated3 wrote: »

And meanwhile the rest of Europe will be moving on with their lives. As they should.

How would NPHET justify to the government the continued closure of pubs if they had opened everywhere else?

MOR316

B2021M wrote: »

How would NPHET justify to the government the continued closure of pubs if they had opened everywhere else?

Don't know... What I do know is that Tony Holohan is extremely anti alcohol so I'm sure he'll come up with something

Beechwoodspark

opinionated3 wrote: »

He's wasting his own time. The people generally have had enough of his over cautious rhetoric. Its being ignored as I type this.
Open up. Let's get back to living and working

Thanks. But I’ll take his advice over a randomer on boards and I’d suspect the govt will too.

JRant

B2021M wrote: »

How would NPHET justify to the government the continued closure of pubs if they had opened everywhere else?

Muahahahaha, justify you say
That's a good one. Justification beyond being merely concerned is a pipe dream and not required here.
Prof Nolan's random number generator is all they need to maintain the concern levels. Add in the fact that we have D'Variant (the worst of which hasn't even been discovered yet) and unlike every other country the vaccine may not actually work here, we need an abundance of caution till we get past the possible winter surge.

B2021M

MOR316 wrote: »

Don't know... What I do know is that Tony Holohan is extremely anti alcohol so I'm sure he'll come up with something

I dont doubt that you are right. If the government were to follow through on that then serious questions would need to be asked.

JRant

suicide_circus wrote: »

"Ireland’s most senior doctor said the prospect of indoor dining and of families entertaining friends is not on the cards for May or June."

not on the cards? hate to break it to you Tony...

The shear arrogance of that statement is something else. This chap actually believes he controls everyone's lives.

JRant

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thanks. But I’ll take his advice over a randomer on boards and I’d suspect the govt will too.

You do that, meanwhile, in the real world, families and friends are meeting up every chance they can get.

Beechwoodspark

JRant wrote: »

You do that, meanwhile, in the real world, families and friends are meeting up every chance they can get.

No they are not. I’ve driven a bit today around my locality and most ppl are following the guidance.

suicide_circus

JRant wrote: »

The shear arrogance of that statement is something else. This chap actually believes he controls everyone's lives.

"F*ck off, Tony"

CalamariFritti

Russman wrote: »

Why should they have sacked the CMO ? Presumably because he advised going to Level 5 ? Why would he be sacked ?

Does the Taoiseach deciding to follow the advice of NPHET not count as a decision or is it only deciding to open things up that counts ?

I concede your second point to a degree. But only a little. There is clearly a responsibility ping pong going on. The one guys are saying we are not in charge. The other guys are saying we aren't either. Somebody called it very aptly Schroedingers government, responsible and not responsible at the same time.

The first question is an easy answer. He undermined the government by creating pressure through the public. Forced us into level 5 when level 3 would have been fine. Probably cost a billion or two and created penned up demand in December. Seemed and still seems an awful decision to me. Look at him now and listen to his language. He doesnt even advise anymore, he tells us straight up forget June. Like the de facto Taoiseach that he is.

Helpneeded86

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No they are not. I’ve driven a bit today around my locality and most ppl are following the guidance.

Dream on.

zerosugarbuzz

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thanks. But I’ll take his advice over a randomer on boards and I’d suspect the govt will too.

I have a couple of friends who think like you do, They end our phone conversations with an kind of terrified "stay safe" exclamation as though I were off to climb the himalayas alone. My first reaction is that they are taking the piss, but they're not, they are genuinely still terrified. I simply can't understand it as they are otherwise intelligent people capable of independent critical thinking. But not on this subject anymore unfortunately.

The government can take whoever's advice they want, the people are moving on, hopefully for the last time.

Windmill100000

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No they are not. I’ve driven a bit today around my locality and most ppl are following the guidance.

Same. Was out walking in the local woods today. Plenty around and people are social distancing. Great to be out in the sunshine and see people in good spirits.

Beechwoodspark

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I have a couple of friends who think like you do, They end our phone conversations with an kind of terrified "stay safe" exclamation as though I were off to climb the himalayas alone. My first reaction is that they are taking the piss, but they're not, they are genuinely still terrified. I simply can't understand it as they are otherwise intelligent people capable of independent critical thinking. But not on this subject anymore unfortunately.

The government can take whoever's advice they want, the people are moving on, hopefully for the last time.

I’m quite rational and far from terrified.

but I have close family and friends who are vulnerable and I’m willing to put up with the restrictions until later in the year when hopefully the vaccines have been rolled out to a greater extent.

LeakyLime

B2021M wrote: »

How would NPHET justify to the government the continued closure of pubs if they had opened everywhere else?

It happened last year. Pubs reopened in the UK and Ireland but not here.

They didn't provide a justification because they were never asked for one by the media.

It doesn't seem to matter what science the rest of Europe are following. In Ireland, it's just accepted we will be subjected the longest strictest lockdowms.

B2021M

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I concede your second point to a degree. But only a little. There is clearly a responsibility ping pong going on. The one guys are saying we are not in charge. The other guys are saying we aren't either. Somebody called it very aptly Schroedingers government, responsible and not responsible at the same time.

The first question is an easy answer. He undermined the government by creating pressure through the public. Forced us into level 5 when level 3 would have been fine. Probably cost a billion or two and created penned up demand in December. Seemed and still seems an awful decision to me. Look at him now and listen to his language. He doesnt even advise anymore, he tells us straight up forget June. Like the de facto Taoiseach that he is.

Im uncertain as to why we need advice at this point. Our neighbours are further ahead in their vaccine programme so the result of their relaxation of restrictions will be clear to us. Its a numbers game now.....not a medical one. We couldnt be luckier than to have this data available on our doorstep as a result of actions we were too terrified to do ourselves (larger gaps between doses)

pgj2015

B2021M wrote: »

How would NPHET justify to the government the continued closure of pubs if they had opened everywhere else?

If you worked nights like I do with the drunk Irish public, you wouldn't be asking this question. The pandemic goes out the window when alcohol is involved, people act like its still 2019 when out on the beer. They should have closed the pubs a week earlier than they did at Christmas. the nights before Christmas 2020 in Ireland were a disgrace, I know I saw it first hand.

B2021M

pgj2015 wrote: »

If you worked nights like I do with the drunk Irish public, you wouldn't be asking this question. The pandemic goes out the window when alcohol is involved, people act like its still 2019 when out on the beer. They should have closed the pubs a week earlier than they did at Christmas. the nights before Christmas 2020 in Ireland were a disgrace, I know I saw it first hand.

Yes i am sure you are right but I was talking about a point where pubs have reopened elsewhere...not today.

Natterjack from Kerry

Kiith wrote: »

What the **** is NPHET's actual plan here? Less then 200 in hospital, under 50 in the ICU, and a decent chuck of the population (large chunk of the vulnerable) vaccinated. So lets have more severe restrictions then last summer when we had no vaccines?

Yes. So as to ensure we dont have a spike just as we are achieving vaccine coverage, and to avoid having to shut anything that opens. This is the clear message, and consistent from all quarters - are rare enough thing. But the flip side of not risking re-closing anything, is that things will be open that bit later rather than that bit sooner. A sustainably fully open and normal country by and large, from September is the goal. All decisions are geared to that. Pubs and crowds as sports and concerts and the likes, the last piece of the jigsaw sometime in the Autumn when all else is validated, rather than reclosing them in the Autumn again. Pubs are the problem really. There would be no issue about everything else if it werent for this Irish obsession. And some compromise risk will likely be made here. But NPHET know what they are at for sure.

PTH2009

Will MM/Leo reject Tony's advice??

Will they ****

Aph2016

With almost 1 million of the most vulnerable people having received their 1st vaccination, we're a few days from May, what's the justification for the continued measures? It's complete bull***t!

Stheno

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Yes. So as to ensure we dont have a spike just as we are achieving vaccine coverage, and to avoid having to shut anything that opens. This is the clear message, and consistent from all quarters - are rare enough thing. But the flip side of not risking re-closing anything, is that things will be open that bit later rather than that bit sooner. A sustainably fully open and normal country by and large, from September is the goal. All decisions are geared to that. Pubs and crowds as sports and concerts and the likes, the last piece of the jigsaw sometime in the Autumn when all else is validated, rather than reclosing them in the Autumn again. Pubs are the problem really. There would be no issue about everything else if it werent for this Irish obsession. And some compromise risk will likely be made here. But NPHET know what they are at for sure.

This the same NPHET who.estimated 400 cases a day by January 4th?
Know what they are at alright

daydorunrun

For those jealous of the beer gardens being open in the UK.......

https://twitter.com/pjcoogan/status/1386134636535894016?s=20