Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Dickie10

theres a massive rupture about to happen in government within FF and FG when no real restrictions are taken away in june , i would guess no roadmap for pubs open either. i think in the end the pressure will toll on martin and varadker probably varadker will make something happen, but cant see pubs open before mid august, i said it a few weeks ago its set up for 2 weeks staycation with a load of restrictions in mid august before schools go back. the only difference this time is the genie will be out of the bottle this time, theres no killing granny or grandad anymore so when pubs open it will be a free for all, i would think very few restrictions will be adhered to any in reality outside of PR stunts very few will be either inspected or sanctioned. Tony knows this and is probably trying to drag out until everyone over 40 is vaxxed along with just his personal hatred for pubs and nightclubs to nail them a bit longer. Now if the government do cant muster any sort of response to tony i really am now worried , pubs will be shut until january 2022. i truly think that is tony and a lot of NYPHET end goal to keep pubs shut until january 2022 and hope a lot are gone out of business or they have resocialised the population not to binge drink anymore. i actually believe they dont mind people drinking on beachs in parks etc as its not in the hedonistic environment of a disco bar or nightclub where people easily fall into binge Britian booze nation mode with a race against closing time to get shots into system.

Richard Hillman

There is no reason why NPHET need to exist anymore. Open up. If hospital numbers go up, make some restrictions. If they stay similar or lower, do nothing. That's it. They don't need The Legion of Doom to tell them the freaking obvious.

A simple ****ing chart could tell them what to do.

growleaves

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

The correct read is that they steered us out of an economic abyss then, and are bringing us out of another now. Neither abyss of their making. There is no other way to see that, other than as quite an impressive double.

FG ran on a promise of debt cancellation then reneged on it. Now they've run up more insane deficits.

Three factors things FG are (partly) responsible for:

The national debt pile-ons of 2008-12 and 2020-21

The shutdown of construction earlier this year

Subsidising asylum seekers in means-tested accommodation

These three factors taken together are going to push house prices and rent up into the stratosphere. A lot of frustration ahead for anyone not earning above-average wages - get ready for co-living, tiny pods, living in a parent's shed etc.

helimachoptor

Dickie10 wrote: »

theres a massive rupture about to happen in government within FF and FG when no real restrictions are taken away in june , i would guess no roadmap for pubs open either. i think in the end the pressure will toll on martin and varadker probably varadker will make something happen, but cant see pubs open before mid august, i said it a few weeks ago its set up for 2 weeks staycation with a load of restrictions in mid august before schools go back. the only difference this time is the genie will be out of the bottle this time, theres no killing granny or grandad anymore so when pubs open it will be a free for all, i would think very few restrictions will be adhered to any in reality outside of PR stunts very few will be either inspected or sanctioned. Tony knows this and is probably trying to drag out until everyone over 40 is vaxxed along with just his personal hatred for pubs and nightclubs to nail them a bit longer. Now if the government do cant muster any sort of response to tony i really am now worried , pubs will be shut until january 2022. i truly think that is tony and a lot of NYPHET end goal to keep pubs shut until january 2022 and hope a lot are gone out of business or they have resocialised the population not to binge drink anymore. i actually believe they dont mind people drinking on beachs in parks etc as its not in the hedonistic environment of a disco bar or nightclub where people easily fall into binge Britian booze nation mode with a race against closing time to get shots into system.

Won't open in Jan 22, too múch socialising for Christmas, so lockdown again

Indestructable

The EU is set to allow vaccinated US tourists in during the Summer. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/world/europe/american-travel-to-europe.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

How will the Government or NPHET handle that? It'll be the EU who loosen the restrictions here.

11521323

11521323 wrote: »

It's worse than that. Michael Martin seems to think we will be able to go for a pint 'by the end of the year'

I'm honestly baffled, how can people watch other countries open back up at a reasonable rate while we languish in lockdown and actually support that?

There was a funny comment online recently that Ireland was going full blow ccp! So that is how other countries are now viewing us, that is not a good look.

thebronze14

dirkmeister wrote: »

Sandra Hurley just said on the news intercounty travel could be July.

I’d love to know where she got that?

People are travelling intercounty now if they want...Most people are doing what they want at this stage. The things that are closed really are the only restrictions holding people back. People can go wherever they want within the country really

Dickie10

helimachoptor wrote: »

Won't open in Jan 22, too múch socialising for Christmas, so lockdown again

no thats what i mean, they wont open pubs or nightclubs if they can at all until january 2022. can you just imagine the worry meter and hand wringing that will hapeen from mid october onwards about restaurunts and pubs and all manner of virus that people should be afraid of. At the minute i just cant see pubs being open in decemeber 2021.

JRant

Indestructable wrote: »

The EU is set to allow vaccinated US tourists in during the Summer. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/world/europe/american-travel-to-europe.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

How will the Government or NPHET handle that? It'll be the EU who loosen the restrictions here.

I don't know where this line of wishful thinking comes from but everything indicates this will not be the case.

Our lot have the bestest scientific and medical minds working on this. They know better than the rest of europe when it comes to COVID. Our own CMO has single handedly discovered that COVID loves alcohol. NPHET found out it can differentiate between a park and a garden. They also know a 9 euro meal is the key to preventing it's spread. I mean, there must be multiple Nobel prizes coming their way this year for such outstanding medical breakthroughs.

Jinglejangle69

growleaves wrote: »

FG ran on a promise of debt cancellation then reneged on it. Now they've run up more insane deficits.

Three factors things FG are (partly) responsible for:

The national debt pile-ons of 2008-12 and 2020-21

The shutdown of construction earlier this year

Subsidising asylum seekers in means-tested accommodation

These three factors taken together are going to push house prices and rent up into the stratosphere. A lot of frustration ahead for anyone not earning above-average wages - get ready for co-living, tiny pods, living in a parent's shed etc.

FG weren't in power in 2008, 2009,2010,2011.???


This is a weird discussion.

JRant

Dickie10 wrote: »

no thats what i mean, they wont open pubs or nightclubs if they can at all until january 2022. can you just imagine the worry meter and hand wringing that will hapeen from mid october onwards about restaurunts and pubs and all manner of virus that people should be afraid of. At the minute i just cant see pubs being open in decemeber 2021.

The "booster" jab will start to be used more commonly once we hit the June mark.

growleaves

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

FG weren't in power in 2008, 2009,2010,2011.???


This is a weird discussion.

Er they rode to power in Feb 2011 on a promise to renege on the debt accumulated in 2008-2011, that's why I say they are partly responsible for it.

Poor choice of words perhaps. But you get what I'm saying.

Dr. Bre

11521323 wrote: »

I genuinely look forward to July when we'll have 80% of adults with their first dose and the place will still be locked down, I wonder what the lockdown supporters will use to rationalize their support then.

People are gone insane, I actually cannot believe some of the opinions I'm seeing.

They will tell us to hold firm and the next couple of weeks are crucial

ypres5

I remember posters here who were saying we were in for a blow by blow remake of last summer were scoffed at and branded doom mongers by some pro restrictions people for lack of a better description and told that we had reached the light at the end of the tunnel. After the recent soundbites from holohan and martin, does anyone still think we'll have a normal summer?

FintanMcluskey

JRant wrote: »

The "booster" jab will start to be used more commonly once we hit the June mark.

I was actually thinking this

The booster for the vulnerable will be the next justification of restrictions

The HorsesMouth

Indestructable wrote: »

The EU is set to allow vaccinated US tourists in during the Summer. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/world/europe/american-travel-to-europe.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

How will the Government or NPHET handle that? It'll be the EU who loosen the restrictions here.

This is why nothing I hear Tony Holohan or NPHET say bothers me anymore. It won't be in their power to dictate anything in a few weeks time. Does anyone honestly think that we will be allowed go to Spain/Portugal/Greece on our holidays but we can't have a meal indoors?
The evidence from Israel and the UK is overwhelming now that vaccines work and that's it, that's all their is too it.

CruelSummer

growleaves wrote: »

Er they rode to power in Feb 2011 on a promise to renege on the debt accumulated in 2008-2011, that's why I say they are partly responsible for it.

Poor choice of words perhaps. But you get what I'm saying.

Can I just make the point that the current options for Government are pathetic. I’ve usually supported FG but cannot stand their performance since entering into coalition with FF & Greens. One thing they do deserve credit for along with Labour is getting Ireland out of its economic mess from 2011-2016. Despite you saying it was global, Ireland had its own enormous mess to sort out & things did improve. Without derailing this thread, I expect big issues globally post Covid, most notably the amount of money that has been printed by the federal reserve in the US, and even the EU central bank to a lesser extent.
Inflation is going to become an issue unless there are ways to keep manipulating the market.

On restrictions what I’ve gathered from the opposition is:
1. Sinn Fein - mandatory quarantine until its introduced, then once it’s up and running ask questions re aviation sector & jobs. Never ever ‘go against NPHET’. Change with the wind re Covid response, twitter hashtags, tic tok videos. Health spokesperson unaware Pfizer vaccines were extra to the national roll out, not part of it & tweets his discontent, only to promptly delete it when he did his homework after the fact. Much like Sinn Féin in general.
2. Labour - much the same as Sinn Féin except they don’t have the social media machine behind them.
3. Social Democrats - inexplicably decided Zero Covid was the way to go. Giving a voice to ISAG, continually supporting them, actually suggesting 5-10 cases a day would be possible if we all stayed lockdown until..2030 perhaps?
4. People before profit - Zero Covid

Some good independent candidates like Michael McNamara but really Ireland is currently lacking a viable good centre right / left party.

Good to see the usual posters glued on here while there was a lovely weekend to be had.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Good to see the usual posters glued on here while there was a lovely weekend to be had.

You can go out lads.

'No time, too busy posting about the restrictions'

Back on topic, it's good to see another slight easing starts tomorrow.

MOR316

Perhaps instead of venting on the internet, maybe go and do something about it? Like, make your feelings known and try to make change happen? If football fans can make powerful football clubs back down, surely to God you can make the weakest Government in history back down?

To dumb it down, we are a democracy and we are allowing an unelected team of health officials, led by a guy who has messed up so many times in his career, dictate our lives, whilst our elected Government accepts it and allows it to happen, plunging us further into debt, whilst taking the spotlight of other serious issues happening at their hands...

I mean people cry everytime NPHET have a press conference, "I can't see Philip Nolan's models on his chart!!"
That **** isn't even qualified to do that yet, people accept it. It's lunacy! None of his projections have ever been accurate yet, people accept it?! From someone not even qualified?!

Is there a need for restrictions and guidelines? Absolutely!
Is there a need for these measures? No chance!!

ShadyAcres

Great wildcamp last night two counties over. Refreshed, rejuvenated and happy.
Saw a checkpoint but luckily managed to turn around and go a different direction.
Going for another camp during the week. If I'm caught, im caught🀣

MOR316

ShadyAcres wrote: »

Great wildcamp last night two counties over. Refreshed, rejuvenated and happy.
Saw a checkpoint but luckily managed to turn around and go a different direction.
Going for another camp during the week. If I'm caught, im caught��

Wouldn't be out of place in a WWII diary ffs

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

Wouldn't be out of place in a WWII diary ffs

:rolleyes:

you reckon going camping was just like WWII?

seriously

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

:rolleyes:

you reckon going camping was just like WWII?

seriously

"Saw a checkpoint and turned around, managed to go in a different direction"

That's normal to you is it? For someone out camping?

Seriously? :rolleyes:

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

"Saw a checkpoint and turned around, managed to go in a different direction"

That's normal to you is it? For someone out camping?

Seriously? :rolleyes:

Yes the threat of a question and a tiny fine was apparently rampant during the war.

And no, it's not normal. There's a pandemic.

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

Yes the threat of a question and a tiny fine was apparently rampant during the war.

So you think it's acceptable for someone to go camping, where they are causing no harm to anyone, to be stopped, questioned and have a fear of heavy fine over them? Or even people trying to visit elderly relatives or friends who need help

Going by your post history, I know you support Tony and the lads but, come on! If you can't see how ridiculous and draconian that is, then I'm not bothering engaging with you any further.

Restrictions are needed now in certain doses but not Catholic Church 1940s levels!

"I can't meet you, there's a pandemic!"
"I can't marry you, there's a pandemic!"
"I can't go for a piss outdoors, RTE said so! There's a pandemic!"
"I can't leave my house, there's a pandemic!"
"I can't go camping with my family, there's pandemic!"
"I can't have sex with someone, there's a pandemic!"
"I can't meet my friends for a few minutes, there's a pandemic!"
"I can't go for a drive outside 20km otherwise I'll be fined or possibly arrested, there's a pandemic!"

Shall I go on?

Absolutely nothing stopping click and collect! Nothing stopping beer gardens opening or take away pints! People have been doing it since February!!
Nothing about this pandemic should be stopping people going camping with their families, by themselves or even going for a drive!

So yes, whilst restrictions are needed, they're not needed to the extent they are now! Once it starts to affect you, you'll understand!

I see there is a litter problem now...Jeez, I wonder what started that?
It's not normal though, there's a pandemic going on so we'll use that excuse

pjohnson

Tbf I'd say some people were well used to trying to dodge Gardai pre-pandemic aswell.

paw patrol

I haven't posted in some time, I had nothing really to add other than to repeat my stance.

while away from I've had covid, sadly wasn't asymptotic.
I'd a temp and a cough which was like a chest infection but wasn't quite into my lungs. Hard to accurately describe.

Doctor said was standard symptoms but it did drag on a bit longer than most patients. which was a pox. entire treatment was panadol
Now having this dreaded plague with it's 99.9% survival rate - I cannot believe we shut down society for this.

Living in this mindset of fear and panic we are setting ourselves up to ruin society going into the future. Every winter or anytime there is a notion of "something" going around, will be met with a mass bed wetting session - it's hard equate the seriousness of covid (not that serious) with the nuclear option that is being played out in Ireland unless there is something else (insert conspiracy theory) going on. Could our politians be that weak and unable to act without 10 different KPMG reports? why yes. yes they could.:mad:


bUt ItS a PaNdEmIc

if you think like that I'd suggest you look up what a pandemic actually means.

pjohnson

paw patrol wrote: »

I haven't posted in some time, I had nothing really to add other than to repeat my stance.

while away from I've had covid, sadly wasn't asymptotic.
I'd a temp and a cough which was like a chest infection but wasn't quite into my lungs. Hard to accurately describe.

Doctor said was standard symptoms but it did drag on a bit longer than most patients. which it is and it was a pox. entire treatment was panadol
Now having this dreaded plague with it's 99.9% survival rate - I cannot believe we shut down society for this.

Living in this mindset of fear and panic we are setting ourselves up to ruin society going into the future. Every winter or anytime there is a notion of "something" going around, will be met with a mass bed wetting session - it's hard equate the seriousness of covid (not that serious) with the nuclear option that is being played out in Ireland unless there is something else (insert conspiracy theory) going on. Could our politians be that weak and unable to act without 10 different KPMG reports? why yes. yes they could.:mad:


bUt ItS a PaNdEmIc

if you think like that I'd suggest you look up what a pandemic actually means.

Pandemic - “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.


Your point was?

sterz

Graham wrote: »

Back on topic, it's good to see another slight easing starts tomorrow.

Slight is an understatement. It's a total farce at this stage and I can't believe we're in this situation just before the summer kicks in.

Tough to see what's going on here when you look at other European countries; 8,000 fans allowed in to Wembley to watch the final yesterday and 7,500 fans got to see the Ajax game.

But we're told not to leave our county/travel further than 20km/whatever, not to sit outside and have a coffee with friends...it's unbelievable.