Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

KrustyUCC

Widdensushi wrote: »

Did anyone expect hospitality open before June Bank Holiday? All the openings happen after Bank Holidays, it's just a question of whether we can get some indoor allowed in June or not, probably not

Outdoor dining definitely should be

No hope of indoor until July at the earliest

Penfailed

ypres5 wrote: »

Are you telling me that shankill road isn't a tourist hotspot who'd have thunk? This whole idea of framing northern ireland to be like the gaza strip is ridiculous and you're right to call it out

I've even driven down the Shankill in a D reg. No bother.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

Are you telling me that shankill road isn't a tourist hotspot who'd have thunk? This whole idea of framing northern ireland to be like the gaza strip is ridiculous and you're right to call it out

No no, the Titanic centre is a complete no go in summer, the Giants Causeway is nothing but a source of basalt missiles, Lough Erne is littered with gunboats and you are almost certain to be beaten to death with your own golf clubs in Portrush

Spotted Hyena

Guardian are talking about “post-lockdown anxiety” now. WTF

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

No no, the Titanic centre is a complete no go in summer, the Giants Causeway is nothing but a source of basalt missiles, Lough Erne is littered with gunboats and you are almost certain to be beaten to death with your own golf clubs in Portrush

Sounds better than I thought it was up there

_Kaiser_

Spotted Hyena wrote: »

Guardian are talking about “post-lockdown anxiety” now. WTF

It's a real thing. You only have to listen to the people texting radio stations calling shame on people who are living their lives, or who resort to "but but, the pandemic" or "the case numbers" when confronted with such "mad" behaviour. They'll do everything to talk down signs of normality returning and criticise those who don't "get" it.

Being stuck indoors or close to it is bound to have an effect on people. Most will chafe against it and want their lives back ASAP, but others will be quite happy being in their familiar controlled environments and not happy about having to go back to normal - introverts in particular.

The impact to mental health (on both sides of this divide) is certainly significant.

arccosh

Are you telling me that shankill road isn't a tourist hotspot who'd have thunk? This whole idea of framing northern ireland to be like the gaza strip is ridiculous and you're right to call it out.

we had part of a school tour driving around the the peace lines in a D reg bus circa 2001 ish, stopping at the different loyalist and nationalist murals... we stopped outside the cul de sac Billy Wright lived in, the bus driver said we're probably being watched by loyalist watchmen, nationalist spotters and security forces at that point...

all good fun when 14/15

mad how two areas so close to each other are polar opposites... curbs going from green, white, orange to blue, red, white crossing through the peace gates...

dalyboy

Spotted Hyena wrote: »

Guardian are talking about “post-lockdown anxiety” now. WTF

That would be clear signs of (ironically titled) “Stockholm” syndrome

facehugger99

Russman wrote: »

How would you do such a cost benefit analysis then ?

This is done all the time across multiple sectors of society - how do you think life insurance policies work, how do you think the HSA decides to pay for drugs and treatments? Why do you think we don't put 100% of our tax revenue into health services?

There is a balance and a proportionality that has to form the basis of a response to any issue - including a so called 'deadly pandemic'.

That balance has been lost from this discussion and it is an absolute disgrace the way the narrative has been highjacked into a 'if you're against widespread lockdowns you're a heartless granny-killer'.

The cost of these lockdowns is over €50bn and rising - that we know.

We have no idea how many people were 'saved' from locking down the country for months on end.

What could this €50bn have done if it was targeted at protecting the easily-identifiable, and very small, vulnerable groups? - I dare say it would have made a sh;t-ton more of a difference than closing construction or click and collect.

But then the politicians would have had to actually lead, would have had to face-down the media, the opposition and Karen on Facebook. So instead they fcuked the economy over a cliff for fcuk all benefits and all of us and ours kids and grandkids will be paying for this for decades to come

Multipass

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lockdown-exit-blow-as-no-vaccine-for-under-60s-until-june-40318620.html
‘Lockdown exit blow as ‘no vaccine for under-60s until June’

So now we are in lockdown for even longer because of a minute amount of blood clots. If blood clots were so worthy you’d think they’d be hurrying the screening services to look for heart problems and stroke risk, but that’s a different type of clot of course, nevermind that it kills overwhelmingly more people.
Also if you read the article, ‘until June’ is actually written as the end of June. So July!

Ironically one of the headlines underneath this article states that Covid causes more blood clots than the Astrozeneca vaccine.

This country is a complete basket case, what can we do?

timmyntc

Multipass wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lockdown-exit-blow-as-no-vaccine-for-under-60s-until-june-40318620.html
‘Lockdown exit blow as ‘no vaccine for under-60s until June’

So now we are in lockdown for even longer because of a minute amount of blood clots. If blood clots were so worthy you’d think they’d be hurrying the screening services to look for heart problems and stroke risk, but that’s a different type of clot of course, nevermind that it kills overwhelmingly more people.

Ironically one of the headlines underneath this article states that Covid causes more blood clots than the Astrozeneca vaccine.

This country is a complete basket case, what can we do?

Emigrate while you still can.
They'll be skimming money off your savings and pensions to pay for this.

_Kaiser_

timmyntc wrote: »

Emigrate while you still can.
They'll be skimming money off your savings and pensions to pay for this.

Skimming? If only. They'll be helping themselves liberally through a variety of new and increased charges while simultaneously saying they haven't increased income tax :rolleyes:

silverharp

Spotted Hyena wrote: »

Guardian are talking about “post-lockdown anxiety” now. WTF

they wont be able to virtue signal on Social media how compliant they are and such selfless souls they have been. #prayforguardianreaders

ypres5

Multipass wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lockdown-exit-blow-as-no-vaccine-for-under-60s-until-june-40318620.html
‘Lockdown exit blow as ‘no vaccine for under-60s until June’

So now we are in lockdown for even longer because of a minute amount of blood clots. If blood clots were so worthy you’d think they’d be hurrying the screening services to look for heart problems and stroke risk, but that’s a different type of clot of course, nevermind that it kills overwhelmingly more people.
Also if you read the article, ‘until June’ is actually written as the end of June. So July!

Ironically one of the headlines underneath this article states that Covid causes more blood clots than the Astrozeneca vaccine.

This country is a complete basket case, what can we do?

They can't blame manufacturers or suppliers anymore it's down to them throwing two perfectly fine vaccines back in johnson's and astrazenecas faces. I actually despise these people

ypres5

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Skimming? If only. They'll be helping themselves liberally through a variety of new and increased charges while simultaneously saying they haven't increased income tax :rolleyes:

Don't worry leos playing to the gallery by increasing minimum wage with one hand and then taking it back and then some with the other hand

Captain_Crash

timmyntc wrote: »

Emigrate while you still can.
They'll be skimming money off your savings and pensions to pay for this.

I’ve said this a few times to people and the generic response I get is “they can’t”! But had we said last Feb they’d lock us down like this for over a year the response would also have been “they can’t”.... but they did so I wouldn’t rule out anything from them!?!

Like my grandad used to say, “if a politician told me it was sunny I’d bring a brolly”

Captain_Crash

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's a real thing. You only have to listen to the people texting radio stations calling shame on people who are living their lives, or who resort to "but but, the pandemic" or "the case numbers" when confronted with such "mad" behaviour. They'll do everything to talk down signs of normality returning and criticise those who don't "get" it.

Being stuck indoors or close to it is bound to have an effect on people. Most will chafe against it and want their lives back ASAP, but others will be quite happy being in their familiar controlled environments and not happy about having to go back to normal - introverts in particular.

The impact to mental health (on both sides of this divide) is certainly significant.

Stockholm Syndrome... not only one of Muses best songs.... but also a very real mental disorder that is becoming prevalent in our society!!

11521323

timmyntc wrote: »

Emigrate while you still can.
They'll be skimming money off your savings and pensions to pay for this.

I've said this numerous times but the public of this country are far more dangerous than the Government. The overwhelming acceptance of blatant ineptitude is scary.

The Government can quite literally do whatever they want, even if they're being outliers within Europe, because the country is filled with people who don't possess an ounce of critical thinking or logical reasoning ability.

We are top three in Europe for any metric and we are still plodding along this path at a rate slower than anyone else in Europe. We now have the leader of the country refusing to rule out a lockdown in Winter to react to a disease that everyone will be vaccinated against.

It's complete and utter lunacy and it makes me ashamed to be part of this country.

Lumen

ypres5 wrote: »

They can't blame manufacturers or suppliers anymore it's down to them throwing two perfectly fine vaccines back in johnson's and astrazenecas faces. I actually despise these people

J&J was pulled by the manufacturer, not rejected by regulators or health authorities.

daydorunrun

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's a real thing. You only have to listen to the people texting radio stations calling shame on people who are living their lives, or who resort to "but but, the pandemic" or "the case numbers" when confronted with such "mad" behaviour. They'll do everything to talk down signs of normality returning and criticise those who don't "get" it.

Being stuck indoors or close to it is bound to have an effect on people. Most will chafe against it and want their lives back ASAP, but others will be quite happy being in their familiar controlled environments and not happy about having to go back to normal - introverts in particular.

The impact to mental health (on both sides of this divide) is certainly significant.

Absolutely a real thing and a damaging thing too.

I was outside a cafe the serves coffee and ice cream yesterday and was sat on a bench after buying my 10 year old a slice of brownie and some ice cream as it was her birthday.

There was a few picnic tables and people have started to use them again- good to see. Anyway a lady across from us beacons to her friend who was a lady in her 60’s out for a walk, asks her does she want a coffee and her reply was-
‘No thanks, I don’t agree with all this- ice cream isn’t essential.’ She was dead serious, My 10 year old looked at with questions in her eyes as the women continued to complain about people congregating for 5 minutes.

ypres5

Lumen wrote: »

J&J was pulled by the manufacturer, not rejected by regulators or health authorities.

Fair enough I stand corrected but do you see it being used here considering the shaky ground we suspended AZ on?

_Kaiser_

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve said this a few times to people and the generic response I get is “they can’t”! But had we said last Feb they’d lock us down like this for over a year the response would also have been “they can’t”.... but they did so I wouldn’t rule out anything from them!?!

Like my grandad used to say, “if a politician told me it was sunny I’d bring a brolly”

Anyone who says "they can't" either doesn't remember the financial crash a decade ago or wasn't old enough.

Corby Trouser Press

I have to say the Mandatory Hotel Quarantine meltdown is just delicious.

The bedwetters have got their way and now they are being scolded by the EU.

Soc Dems and their media/NGO luvvy allies itch with every fibre of their being to be on the "right" side of every argument and to always seek approval from their betters in Brussels.

And now they are being scolded by the Commission.

Hook it to my veins!

Lumen

ypres5 wrote: »

Fair enough I stand corrected but do you see it being used here considering the shaky ground we suspended AZ on?

Well AZ was only paused, the supply hasn't stopped and it's being used on older cohorts. They may change the guidance in a couple of weeks if and when when they actually have stocks accumulating unused with no arms to put them in.

J&J was approved by the EU in March and that approval hasn't been revoked AFAIK. It's the FDA that paused J&J for use in the US.

So a lot of noise but not much effect, yet.

There's an EU vaccine tracker that shows deliveries vs administrations.

According to that, Ireland has used 240/355k of AZ, so there's 115k doses sitting in fridges.

The overall % administered for Ireland is 83.5%, which is OK in the EU context (Germany at 81.5%, France at 82%).

https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#distribution-tab

the kelt

Penfailed wrote: »

I've even driven down the Shankill in a D reg. No bother.

Snap, funnily enough done the exact same myself.

D Reg White landcruiser with GAA colours hanging in the front window and not a bother.

Have to wonder with some people and what they do be thinking.

Penfailed

11521323 wrote: »

We are top three in Europe for any metric and we are still plodding along this path at a rate slower than anyone else in Europe. We now have the leader of the country refusing to rule out a lockdown in Winter to react to a disease that everyone will be vaccinated against.

It's complete and utter lunacy and it makes me ashamed to be part of this country.

Just like the UK then?

scamalert

its nice to know that were like 2 months away from any decent normal with restrictions going down,but were told come fall were most likely going back in :pac:, this goverment isnt just prepared, its full hard on to keep this going into 2023 by the looks of it.

anplaya27

Penfailed wrote: »

I've driven the length of the north in a southern registered car at all times of the year. Not once have I been targeted because of this. The 'annual riot season' as you call it is much less significant than the time of Drumcree. It's isolated to a couple of hotspots where tourists aren't likely to be going anyway.

I've driven around in a southern reg most of the north and even gone into shops on the Shankill road when I was in Belfast. Some views from the top too of the city.

_Kaiser_

scamalert wrote: »

its nice to know that were like 2 months away from any decent normal with restrictions going down,but were told come fall were most likely going back in :pac:, this goverment isnt just prepared, its full hard on to keep this going into 2023 by the looks of it.

Their "decent summer" will be Level 3 with extra tweaks at best.

It's ridiculous, especially when you remember that at the same time last year we had no vaccines, no travel restrictions, no masks, and the cases were in single/double digits with zero deaths most days.

We're worse off, not better!

ypres5

Penfailed wrote: »

Just like the UK then?

At least the uk will have a chance to enjoy themselves while here we'll no sooner be out of lockdown than we'll likely be under one again