Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

gozunda

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Well that’s an interesting insight into an extremely risk averse mind. So each year during the marching season the whole of the North has no visitors or tourists?

Plenty will travel and those that don’t won’t be avoiding it because of isolated rioting.

Adverse or simple reality?

Was that stated in the comment? Maybe an idea to leave the personalisation and stick with the topic at hand

Ok the detail. Riots are already ongoing in NI. One poster opined that trouble was usually limited to around the 12th only. And thats the type of misinformation which is all to evident in this thread. The fact is rioting takes place in the run up and in months after the 12th. And its not just public places - end up in a pub or anywhere you don't know and you could be having interesting discussions with some of the locals.

This year is somewhat different in that the origins of the current riots stem in part from Brexit and resentment towards the Northern Ireland Protocol - with some loyalists believing that Northern Ireland could end up being treated separately from the rest of the UK with goverments in Belfast, Dublin and London variously being blamed and as a result with more than 74 police officers been injured in the clashes, burnt out cars and road blocks on some major roads in and around Belfast etc.

Recent densions have also boiled over after a decision by Northern Ireland's Department of Justice not to prosecute senior leaders from the Irish republican party Sinn Fein who did not follow Covid-19 restrictions last year, after attending the funeral of a high-profile former Irish Republican Army commander.

So yeah loads of soft spoken Irish tourists may not be exactly welcomed with open arms by everyone especially considering that compared to the North - most people here have yet to receive their fist vaccination and the NI authorities have detailed that eveyone should comply with all travel restrictions in place for their region/country within the CTA.

How many here are aware that currently anyone arriving into Northern Ireland from within the Common Travel Area and planning to remain there for at least 24 hours are being asked to self-isolate upon arrival for 10 days, unless otherwise exempt for essential purposes and not subject to the self-isolation requirements? And the thing is - I see no indication that requirement has been targeted for change in the NI roadmap. And while it may not be currently enforced - "plenty" deciding to skip over the border may well change that.

Not only that but anyone travelling to NI will be doing against health protection regulations which have been put in place here and NI to help reduce the rate of transmission of COVID-19. Even with its vaccination schedule doing well - NI Hospital occupancy is at 103% with 97 beds over capacity. Six hospitals are operating over capacity. There are 58 people in hospital with coronavirus and eight in intensive care. Six patients are on ventilation.

Everyone could of course adhere to the regulations in order to keep ourselves and others safe. But fuk it pints eh?

Morris Moss

gozunda wrote: »

Adverse or simple reality?

Was that stated in the comment? Maybe an idea to leave the personalisation and stick with the topic at hand

Riots are already ongoing in NI. One poster opined that trouble was usually limited to around the 12th only. And thats the type of misinformation which is all to evident in this thread. The fact is rioting takes place in the run up and in months after the 12th. And its not just public places - end up in a pub you don't know and you could be having interesting discussions with some of the locals.

This year is somewhat different in that the origins of the current riots stem in part from Brexit and resentment towards the Northern Ireland Protocol - with some loyalists believing that Northern Ireland could end up being treated separately from the rest of the UK with goverments in Belfast, Dublin and London variously being blamed and as as a result with more than 74 police officers been injured in the clashe, burnt out cars and road blocks on some major roads in and around Belfast etc.

Recent densions have also boiled over after a decision by Northern Ireland's Department of Justice not to prosecute senior leaders from the Irish republican party Sinn Fein who did not follow Covid-19 restrictions last year, after attending the funeral of a high-profile former Irish Republican Army commander.

So yeah loads of soft spoken Irish tourists may not be exactly welcomed with open arms by everyone especially considering that compared to the North - most people here have yet to receive their fist vaccination and the NI authorities have detailed that eveyyone should comply with all travel restrictions in place for their region/country within the CTA.

How many here are aware that currently anyone arriving into Northern Ireland from within the Common Travel Area and planning to remain here for at least 24 hours are being asked to self-isolate upon arrival for 10 days, unless otherwise exempt for essential purposes and not subject to the self-isolation requirements? And the thing is - I see no indication that requirement has been targeted fir change in the NI roadmap.

Not only that but anyone travelling to NI will be doing against health protection regulations which have been put in place here and NI to help reduce the rate of transmission of COVID-19. Even with its vaccination schedule doing well - NI Hospital occupancy is at 103% with 97 beds over capacity. Six hospitals are operating over capacity. There are 58 people in hospital with coronavirus and eight in intensive care. Six patients are on ventilation.

Everyone could of course adhere to the regulations in order to keep ourselves and others safe. But fuk it pints eh?

Jesus you talk some scutter, you managed 8 paragraphs of absolute ****e.

gozunda

Morris Moss wrote: »

Jesus you talk some scutter, you managed 8 paragraphs of absolute ****e.

Hit a nerve did I? My bad ...

Well really not my fault if there is an inability to discuss the topic in hand or even read the comment tbh.

As for you "scutter". The above is all based on information you can check yourself.

No doubt all the covid deniers and sceptics like flies will give you a big Bualadh bos and a backslap for your debating skills :

yeah well done. But fuk it - pints eh
Edit:I wasn't wrong :pac:

Maybe you could give us your personal expert opinion on travelling to NI for a holiday?

I'm all ears ...

Lumen

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Their "decent summer" will be Level 3 with extra tweaks at best.

It's ridiculous, especially when you remember that at the same time last year we had no vaccines, no travel restrictions, no masks, and the cases were in single/double digits with zero deaths most days.

We're worse off, not better!

It took until mid-June 2020 for the cases to get down to single digits. At that point there were still lots of restrictions:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0605/1145720-covid-latest-ireland/

Mid-June is two months away. At that point we should be at least as well protected as the UK are now, and they're unlocking.

So we should have plenty of evidence from the UK of what happens with you unlock with only half the country jabbed and with the latest variants circulating.

The uncertainty of the variants are a large part of what's holding up the unlocking right now.

I'm optimistic that this summer will be much the same as last, and by September we should have the first round of the vaccination programme complete and looking forward to a normal Christmas.

scamalert

Lumen wrote: »

It took until mid-June 2020 for the cases to get down to single digits. At that point there were still lots of restrictions:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0605/1145720-covid-latest-ireland/

Mid-June is two months away. At that point we should be at least as well protected as the UK are now, and they're unlocking.

So we should have plenty of evidence from the UK of what happens with you unlock with only half the country jabbed and with the latest variants circulating.

The uncertainty of the variants are a large part of what's holding up the unlocking right now.

I'm optimistic that this summer will be much the same as last, and by September we should have the first round of the vaccination programme complete and looking forward to a normal Christmas.

So your saying goverment are idiots that dont know a thing and just follow UK lead, while expermenting with whatever they can get away with in the mean time, fckn hell we should ask UK to take over then here surely, if outcome is monkey see monkey do, used here.

LeakyLime

Lumen wrote: »

It took until mid-June 2020 for the cases to get down to single digits. At that point there were still lots of restrictions:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0605/1145720-covid-latest-ireland/

Mid-June is two months away. At that point we should be at least as well protected as the UK are now, and they're unlocking.

But we have been in lockdown since end of December. Last year we locked down mid-March.

kieran.

gozunda wrote: »

Adverse or simple reality?

NI Hospital occupancy is at 103% with 97 beds over capacity. Six hospitals are operating over capacity. There are 58 people in hospital with coronavirus and eight in intensive care. Six patients are on ventilation.

Going by your figures:
97 patients = 3% over capacity
Therefore capacity is approximately 3300 patients.
There are 58 patient with CV-19 in the hospital which equates to 1.7% of all patients in hospital currently.
By your own figures , CV-19 is not the reason the hospitals are over capacity .

Oh and im really looking forward to my pints just across the border too

11521323

Lumen wrote: »

It took until mid-June 2020 for the cases to get down to single digits. At that point there were still lots of restrictions:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0605/1145720-covid-latest-ireland/

Mid-June is two months away. At that point we should be at least as well protected as the UK are now, and they're unlocking.

So we should have plenty of evidence from the UK of what happens with you unlock with only half the country jabbed and with the latest variants circulating.

The uncertainty of the variants are a large part of what's holding up the unlocking right now.

I'm optimistic that this summer will be much the same as last, and by September we should have the first round of the vaccination programme complete and looking forward to a normal Christmas.

We cannot lock down because of potential variants, you realize that right?

facehugger99

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Their "decent summer" will be Level 3 with extra tweaks at best.

It's ridiculous, especially when you remember that at the same time last year we had no vaccines, no travel restrictions, no masks, and the cases were in single/double digits with zero deaths most days.

We're worse off, not better!

But the variants!


The variants!

Lumen

11521323 wrote: »

We cannot lock down because of potential variants, you realize that right?

No, I have no idea what you're on about.

gozunda

kieran. wrote: »

Going by your figures:
97 patients = 3% over capacity
Therefore capacity is approximately 3300 patients.
There are 58 patient with CV-19 in the hospital which equates to 1.7% of all patients in hospital currently.
By your own figures ,V-19 is not the reason the hospitals are over capacity .

Oh and im really looking forward to my pints just across the border too

Not my figures btw and I made no claim as to the reasons for over capacity. It remains those are the reported figures. But maybe you have a point- is it those extra covid patients which are pushing the system into over capacity? I really couldn't tell you tbh.

From yesterday's Belfast telegraph.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/coronavirus-northern-ireland-landmark-day-as-executive-confirms-reopening-of-non-essential-retail-and-outdoor-hospitality-by-end-of-april-40315474.html

Hospital occupancy is at 103% with 97 beds over capacity. Six hospitals are operating over capacity. There are 58 people in hospital with coronavirus and eight in intensive care. Six patients are on ventilation.

But yeah fuk it - pints eh ... :pac:

Lumen

scamalert wrote: »

So your saying goverment are idiots that dont know a thing and just follow UK lead, while expermenting with whatever they can get away with in the mean time

No, that is not what I am saying. That is what you are saying.

Lumen

LeakyLime wrote: »

But we have been in lockdown since end of December. Last year we locked down mid-March.

I'm not sure what point you're making.

We've been in lockdown because we went into Christmas with enough community infection for the increased indoor mixing to drive the numbers up, and it takes a month to recover from every week of that mid-winter spike. There's some element of new variants being more transmissible but we can't really compare since the virus wasn't circulating widely in Ireland the previous Christmas.

bear1

Wait, Leo the other day we are on track for opening on May 4th.
Then a day later he said he didn't mean things would start opening on May 4th but during May...
Then the EU says "hey lads, wtf is this hotel ****e?"
Suddenly, the government says ok all those who are vaccinated.. don't need to quarantine in a hotel but at home? Wtf?
Now we look likely to be locked down even further because of the utter gosbhites running the country.
Did I get that right?

Morris Moss

gozunda wrote: »

Well really not my fault if there is an inability to discuss the topic in hand or even read the comment tbh.

As for you "scutter". The above is all based on information you can check yourself.

No doubt all the covid deniers and sceptics like flies will give you a big Bualadh bos and a backslap for your debating skills :

yeah well done. But fuk it - pints eh :rolleyes:

Edit:

I wasn't wrong :pac:

What's to debate, your post consist of a monologue of inaccuracies like the north is rioting, I wouldn't class a few streets in Belfast as the north.

Anything you disagree with you put "but fuk it- pints eh" as if you have the moral high ground.

bear1

bear1 wrote: »

Wait, Leo the other day we are on track for opening on May 4th.
Then a day later he said he didn't mean things would start opening on May 4th but during May...
Then the EU says "hey lads, wtf is this hotel ****e?"
Suddenly, the government says ok all those who are vaccinated.. don't need to quarantine in a hotel but at home? Wtf?
Now we look likely to be locked down even further because of the utter gosbhites running the country.
Did I get that right?

Pretty much. Great day for the lockdown fetishists.

bear1

Formal letter from the EU sent today. Ireland has 10 days to respond or face legal action

Morris Moss

Morris Moss wrote: »

What's to debate, your post consist of a monologue of inaccuracies like the north is rioting, I wouldn't class a few streets in Belfast as the north.

Anything you disagree with you put "but fuk it- pints eh" as if you have the moral high ground.

Oh yeah on your little edit about going to the North, why wouldn't people go, get away from curtain twitchers like yourself, everybody's nearly vaccinated up there anyway so shouldn't be a problem.

Hellrazer

facehugger99 wrote: »

But the variants!


The variants!

Who`d put money on a Northern Ireland variant suddenly appearing so they have an excuse to close the border to stop people travelling from Belfast on their holidays the virus from spreading!!!

drkpower

Irish hospitals have been at or over capacity for a generation; not once did anyone suggest a whole scale suspension of civil liberties as the answer.

gozunda

Morris Moss wrote: »

What's to debate, your post consist of a monologue of inaccuracies like the north is rioting, I wouldn't class a few streets in Belfast as the north.

Anything you disagree with you put "but fuk it- pints eh" as if you have the moral high ground.

Well for a start - show where what was written is in anyway factually incorrect. Rather than trying to act out.

And bull. That's from police NI reports about rioting currently going on in NI or are those reports 'scutter' and '****' as well? And no 'a few streets in Belfast" were not classed as the North. Maybe get the fuqing facts right before going on the attack.

And wrong - the pints thing is from actual comments with posters claiming they can't wait to travel for just that. And yeah that's a parody on those comments. Sorry all that doesn't suit...

facehugger99

drkpower wrote: »

Irish hospitals have been at or over capacity for a generation; not once did anyone suggest a whole scale suspension of civil liberties as the answer.

Exactly - it would not have been deemed a proportional response.

What's changed?

I'd love to see legal action taken against the Government. I'd like to think our constitutional rights have value than this crop of 'leaders' seem to think they have.

Morris Moss

gozunda wrote: »

Well for a start - show where what was written is in anyway factually incorrect. Rather than trying to act out.

And bull. That's from police NI reports about rioting currently going on in NI or are those reports 'scutter' and '****' as well? And no 'a few streets in Belfast" were not classed as the North. Maybe get the fuqing facts right before going on the attack.

And wrong - the pints thing is from actual comments with posters claiming they can't wait to travel for just that. And yeah that's a parody on those comments. Sorry all that doesn't suit...

The riots stopped last week so your wrong on that anyway, you seem very angry when people challenge you.

Silentcorner

drkpower wrote: »

Irish hospitals have been at or over capacity for a generation; not once did anyone suggest a whole scale suspension of civil liberties as the answer.

Countries have been planning for Pandemics for years now....none of them planned a lock down.

drkpower

Silentcorner wrote: »

Countries have been planning for Pandemics for years now....none of them planned a lock down.

I’m not sure I understand your point.

Regardless, I would point out that very few countries have been planning for a pandemic. Anticipating, yes, but planning, no.

Those that actually have been planning (mainly Asia-pacific countries) certainly would have had lockdown as amongst their potential solutions, albeit down the list.

Timmy O Toole

This surge is becoming increasingly concerning.

PTH2009

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

This surge is becoming increasingly concerning.

Yeah variants on there way just in time for reopening how convenient

FintanMcluskey

It’s brilliant to see the EU calling these clowns to heel

We’ve had the longest strictest lockdown and now MHQ

The boys have 10 days to answer the EU council and I’m delighted

It’s like a movie scene where the bully gets taken down a peg

The irony of course is when we go begging of the EU to fund basic services when the money runs out

Timmy O Toole

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

This surge is becoming increasingly concerning.

Better get under the bed, so

Silentcorner

drkpower wrote: »

I’m not sure I understand your point.

Regardless, I would point out that very few countries have been planning for a pandemic. Anticipating, yes, but planning, no.

Those that actually have been planning (mainly Asia-pacific countries) certainly would have had lockdown as amongst their potential solutions, albeit down the list.

You may be correct, maybe countries out there planned to use lock downs, I have yet to hear or see those plans.

The British have being planning for over a decade, for a pandemic with a projected death rate much higher than Covid, those plans did not include any kind of lock down.

Those plans were thrown out the window in March of last year.

My point I guess, our civil liberties have been taken from us, and we are still not clear what the reasoning is, as you point out, our health system is a shambles and is constantly in crisis but nobody ever hinted we should shut down large parts of our economy and suspend most of our civil liberties.