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Have you ever known a "serious" criminal?

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    #122
    poisonated
    Registered Users Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    thats right , mental illness gives someone licence to behave in an appropriate way which makes others deeply uncomfortable

    :rolleyes:

    I don’t think anyone is saying that. A bit of compassion and understanding is needed though. This judgmental ****e is part of the problem with Ireland’s terrible attitude towards mental health.


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    #123
    refusetolose
    Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    i knew "the beast" , the guy that was shot dead in cork few years ago


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    #124
    PoisonIvyBelle
    Registered Users Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭PoisonIvyBelle


    I knew a guy who got out of prison after life for murder. It was a tough one because he'd clearly completely changed (teen to adult) and if not for his past I'd say we'd have become good friends. He made the most of his time inside, kept clean and out of trouble, hit the gym and learned a trade, and got early parole. He's stayed out of trouble since as far as I know - which is now years later. But I had very conflicting feelings about it at the time, and I didn't want any connection to the drama surrounding it either. As nice a guy he is, a young man still died because of him and that death severely impacted the lives of a lot of people. And I know he regrets it - not the consequence, the crime. And I know it was something done on impulse that he will have to live with for the rest of his days. But we are all capable of acting on impulse, and most of us do not.

    It really is a tough one. I spoke to him about it at great length and could truly empathise. And I believe in rebabilitation. I don't think he someone who is a "murderer" in the idea of someone who will continue to do so, I believe he made a mistake. A life changing one. If I'd met him before it happened, I like to think I would have stuck by him given the circumstances surrounding it and stayed his friend. But for now, I had to be selfish, and make the decision that having someone who is on parole for murder in my social circle isn't ideal and may not even be safe (more so in terms of people who may have grudges against him and also the impact of perception of other people, work connections, etc.).

    He sends me a text now and then and tells me how he's doing. He's in a serious relationship now, living with the girl, and seems very happy. And I'm happy for him. Not everyone deserves a second chance, but I think he did.


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    #125
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    I knew a guy that emigrated to NYC from Limerick in the 60s. He ran with the Italian mafia fighting turf wars in Queens. He robbed drug dealers and was a local heavy for pay. He joined the US army and went AWOL. He shot at police in a chase and ended up in state penitentiary.
    He had a shoot out in a bar and ran across the Canadian border in the midst of Winter.

    That's the short story.
    He wrote a few chapters of his memoris which he had me proof read but sadly his alcohol problem subdued his continuance of an amazing story.
    Up until three years ago he resided in the Midlands well into his seventies.
    ( edit spelling heavy - predictatext , rollseyes)


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    #126
    poisonated
    Registered Users Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    I met a former Taoiseach who many would consider to be a criminal. That’s about it for me.


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    #127
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    Peter Pringle lived around the corner from me at one point.


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    #128
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Weepsie wrote: »
    We must be from the same neck of the woods so. Someone around the corner murdered their wife too in one of the bungalows, maybe 25 years ago? Twas near the bus stop. Big shock at the time.

    Yeah. That was the next estate over. We were gone by then.


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    #129
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    poisonated wrote: »
    I met a former Taoiseach who many would consider to be a criminal. That’s about it for me.

    I know of a former Taoiseach doing something illegal that most people wouldn't know about.


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    #130
    Irishphotodesk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Irishphotodesk


    refusetolose wrote: »
    i knew "the beast" , the guy that was shot dead in cork few years ago

    He was up on membership charges a few years before he was killed....and I think a guy that was in the same primary school class as him was up on murder charges, allegedly standing over the “victim” while holding a shotgun when caught.


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    #131
    daheadonu
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭daheadonu


    There was a lad in my school who was in a year below me who shot a man after egging his house also knew someone who was recently put away for a lengthy stretch for plotting to kill someone,first guy was an utter scumbag but the 2nd I never would have guessed I really was shocked that he was involved in that sort of stuff.


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    #132
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,402 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Whilst I didn't know any of the people involved I knew people who knew the people involved in the Bobby Ryan case fairly well. Who knew all about them.


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    #133
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    circadian wrote: »
    I don't agree with this. The housemate clearly had serious issues and the rest of the house was in no way equipped to handle it. There should be much better support services for people with severe mental illnesses allowing them to live as normally as possible. House shares with a variety of characters that comes with the territory of conflict over the most inane **** is not a stable or supportive environment.



    The housemates, while it comes across as cold, done the right thing to protect themselves as anything could have happened in such a situation to set everything off without any supports whatsoever for the fella that needs it most.

    He arsed about the house in his boxers all day. No worse than walking around in shorts. Hardly crime of the century. I’ve been doing that most days I’m off work during Covid, I must be a real danger.

    Oh, and having a cigarette at night!! The deviant. I don’t do this now, that’s a bridge too far. Plus I’ve never taken up smoking.


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    #134
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    PoisonIvyBelle wrote: »
    I knew a guy who got out of prison after life for murder. It was a tough one because he'd clearly completely changed (teen to adult) and if not for his past I'd say we'd have become good friends. He made the most of his time inside, kept clean and out of trouble, hit the gym and learned a trade, and got early parole. He's stayed out of trouble since as far as I know - which is now years later. But I had very conflicting feelings about it at the time, and I didn't want any connection to the drama surrounding it either. As nice a guy he is, a young man still died because of him and that death severely impacted the lives of a lot of people. And I know he regrets it - not the consequence, the crime. And I know it was something done on impulse that he will have to live with for the rest of his days. But we are all capable of acting on impulse, and most of us do not.

    It really is a tough one. I spoke to him about it at great length and could truly empathise. And I believe in rebabilitation. I don't think he someone who is a "murderer" in the idea of someone who will continue to do so, I believe he made a mistake. A life changing one. If I'd met him before it happened, I like to think I would have stuck by him given the circumstances surrounding it and stayed his friend. But for now, I had to be selfish, and make the decision that having someone who is on parole for murder in my social circle isn't ideal and may not even be safe (more so in terms of people who may have grudges against him and also the impact of perception of other people, work connections, etc.).

    He sends me a text now and then and tells me how he's doing. He's in a serious relationship now, living with the girl, and seems very happy. And I'm happy for him. Not everyone deserves a second chance, but I think he did.

    I know a guy who’s currently in prison for killing a friend in a drunken hit and run. I’ve no doubt I’ll bump into him at some stage when he gets out and I’ve no idea how I’ll react.


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    #135
    magick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭magick


    Many moons ago I was doing a HTML night class. One lad in the class just seemed not to fit in and had trouble understanding the basics and so i helped him out, we got chatting a few times and I thought nothing of it. He then went completely missing, even at the end of the course so I assumed he had dropped out. A few weeks later the Guards found his body cut up into pieces out in the woods near the airport. Turns out he was an informer on some drug gangs.


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    #136
    fryup
    Registered Users Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I know of a former Taoiseach doing something illegal that most people wouldn't know about.

    dead or alive?


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    #137
    notabogsnotion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭notabogsnotion


    Was Legal Secretary to two infamous gangland criminals. One would only speak to me rather than the solicitors while in prison.


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    #138
    Beanntraigheach
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Beanntraigheach


    All of my fellow inmates here in the asylum are "serious criminals" of one type or another.


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    #139
    notabogsnotion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭notabogsnotion


    Beanntraigheach wrote: »
    All of my fellow inmates here in the asylum are "serious criminals" of one type or another.

    Can I be in your gang? I found my last asylum didn't really fit my needs.


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    #140
    joebloggs32
    Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He arsed about the house in his boxers all day. No worse than walking around in shorts. Hardly crime of the century. I’ve been doing that most days I’m off work during Covid, I must be a real danger.

    Oh, and having a cigarette at night!! The deviant. I don’t do this now, that’s a bridge too far. Plus I’ve never taken up smoking.

    When i said smoking, it wasn't just tobacco.

    If you just move into a house and within a week are casually walking around in your underwear infront of a young female housemate there is something not right with you. He was doing this the first weekend there. I was away that weekend which meant she was there on her own. This girl was not a shrinking violet, an intercounty camogie player, but she was genuinely freaked out by him.

    If you ever have a daughter, picture her living in this scenario. Would you be happy....tell her its all ok as the poor guy gets a pass for having mental health problems?


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    #141
    Packrat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Packrat


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I know of a former Taoiseach doing something illegal that most people wouldn't know about.

    I know of something surprising/interesting involving serious criminals that happened to a former Taoiseach which never came out in the news even though it should have and isn't anywhere online that I've looked.

    Trade?

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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    #142
    notabogsnotion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭notabogsnotion


    Mulbert wrote: »
    A good few of the thick flunkers I went to school with ended up in jail. They were purebred scumbags. Thieving, horrible, treacherous scum.

    It was obvious they were going to be but unfortunately only one of them has been murdered.

    One lifer, a couple of suicides.

    Christ. Do you feel so bitter? You need help.


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    #143
    notabogsnotion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭notabogsnotion


    joebloggs32 wrote: »
    When i said smoking, it wasn't just tobacco.

    If you just move into a house and within a week are casually walking around in your underwear infront of a young female housemate there is something not right with you. He was doing this the first weekend there. I was away that weekend which meant she was there on her own. This girl was not a shrinking violet, an intercounty camogie player, but she was genuinely freaked out by him.

    If you ever have a daughter, picture her living in this scenario. Would you be happy....tell her its all ok as the poor guy gets a pass for having mental health problems?

    Mum to a teenager - I'd get her the hell out of there.


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    #144
    retalivity
    Registered Users Posts: 14,130 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Dont know any personally, but about 15 years ago was in Belfast one weekend and ended up having a one night stand with a woman who claimed to be estranged from one of the Shoukri brothers. Had no idea who they were and was pretty bolloxed, woke up next morning round the corner from sandy row. Yer one was as orange as a super split and was not impressed with herself, so got away early and back to the lads where the fear really set in after a bit of investigation. She could have been bullsh1tting, but I stayed out of belfast for a good while after that...


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    #145
    FR85
    Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭FR85


    Went to school with a bloke who chopped up and stuffed some guy into a suitcase and ditched the lot into a canal in Amsterdam a few years ago. Was a nice guy, never would have picked him out.


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    #146
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    retalivity wrote: »
    Dont know any personally, but about 15 years ago was in Belfast one weekend and ended up having a one night stand with a woman who claimed to be estranged from one of the Shoukri brothers. Had no idea who they were and was pretty bolloxed, woke up next morning round the corner from sandy row. Yer one was as orange as a super split and was not impressed with herself, so got away early and back to the lads where the fear really set in after a bit of investigation. She could have been bullsh1tting, but I stayed out of belfast for a good while after that...

    so how was the interracial sex :pac:


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    #147
    notabogsnotion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 64 ✭✭notabogsnotion


    retalivity wrote: »
    Dont know any personally, but about 15 years ago was in Belfast one weekend and ended up having a one night stand with a woman who claimed to be estranged from one of the Shoukri brothers. Had no idea who they were and was pretty bolloxed, woke up next morning round the corner from sandy row. Yer one was as orange as a super split and was not impressed with herself, so got away early and back to the lads where the fear really set in after a bit of investigation. She could have been bullsh1tting, but I stayed out of belfast for a good while after that...


    What a pathetic story.


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    #148
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Feisar wrote: »
    A lad that was a regular in a pub I worked in killed a man. I found out when one of the other barmen came in with a paper with the story in it.

    guy in the locality where i grew up got in a pub fight about thirty years , they went outside and one of them hit his head of the kerb and that was the end of him , guy i knew escaped jail

    hes an asshole to this day but kept on the straight and narrow afterwards and while he killed someone , was never a criminal in the common sense of the word , hes married to a guard now believe it or not


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    #149
    jasonb
    Registered Users Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭jasonb


    I don't normally talk about it much, but I knew both Joe & Rachel O'Reilly. Really struggled with the realisation that someone I thought I knew could fool me so well. Just a horrible time.


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    #150
    js35
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭js35


    Lived 20ft away from someone who is still in jail over a high profile murder on the naas rd in 1996


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    #151
    nihicib2
    Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭nihicib2


    Met Eddie Gallagher through an ex of his (they were on very good terms, she obviously had issues and had a tragic death) he was a charmer and did a line on good Poitín, luckily, even in my 20's a million years ago, I was well able for the charm and the Poitín so thats as far as it went.


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