COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Melanchthon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, we are the worst in the world

Here's the thing though, Ireland needs to be one of the best countries for vaccination because we are so strict in terms of messing up people's lives with endless restrictions.

Is there anywhere else in the world where I would not be allowed to work (construction associated), as in tell me literally anywhere. Ireland is an outlier in terms of restrictions unfortunately.

Russman

hmmm wrote: »

Sanofi to produce 12 million doses a month of the J&J vaccine.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/after-pfizer-deal-sanofi-offers-a-hand-to-johnson-johnson-for-covid-19-vaccine-production

It's not clear to me whether this is a new 12 million, or support with existing production. I think it's new capacity.

Have to say, all these instances of companies lending their support/infrastructure to their "rivals" is very heartening. Things might be dark now, but it really seems like in a couple of months we'll be well on our way to getting everyone covered.

Presumably with Sanofi being French, all these additional J&J shots will likely be exclusively for the EU ?

ACitizenErased

arrestedby wrote: »

Isn't that based on J&J supply?

EMA still have not approved them, O'Neill said they were days away a few weeks ago, nothing heard since, he spouted the same optimistic bull**** for Pfizer, Moderna, Astra and they all were approved much later than he claimed they would be, they waited until the bitter end of deadline they set themselves

EMA will do the same again, wait till the last day of the deadline they set themselves like they did with for Pfizer, Moderna, Astra. All this rolling review rubbish we here from them doesn't seem to be speeding things up at all

The 1 million per month excludes J&J

marno21

arrestedby wrote: »

Isn't that based on J&J supply?

EMA still have not approved them, O'Neill said they were days away a few weeks ago, nothing heard since, he spouted the same optimistic bull**** for Pfizer, Moderna, Astra and they all were approved much later than he claimed they would be, they waited until the bitter end of deadline they set themselves

EMA will do the same again, wait till the last day of the deadline they set themselves like they did with for Pfizer, Moderna, Astra. All this rolling review rubbish we here from them doesn't seem to be speeding things up at all

J&J applied for conditional marketing authorisation the day after he said that. Which was spot on

SheepsClothing

arrestedby wrote: »

Isn't that based on J&J supply?

EMA still have not approved them, O'Neill said they were days away a few weeks ago, nothing heard since, he spouted the same optimistic bull**** for Pfizer, Moderna, Astra and they all were approved much later than he claimed they would be, they waited until the bitter end of deadline they set themselves

EMA will do the same again, wait till the last day of the deadline they set themselves like they did with for Pfizer, Moderna, Astra. All this rolling review rubbish we here from them doesn't seem to be speeding things up at all

All the noise coming out about J&J is that the data they submitted is very good. They are going to be approved mid March at the latest.

Then there's also good chance that CureVac get approved in Q2 boosting supply further.

With those two added to the million a month already scheduled to be arriving, supply shouldn't be a problem.

franciscanpunk

I do feel a certain degree of sympathy for our government in terms of vaccine roll out. I was scrolling social media there to wish someone a happy birthday and i came across the same 'health minister announces 1 million vaccinew for April' headline thats been knocking around a few days and i went into the comments for a look 'we are a joke', ''worst in the EU' 'govt roll out too slow', the usual stuff.

Obviously it doesn't matter a jot, just the standard ill imformed crazies on social media.

The only thing I noticed differently now is people have got so tired of explaining the EU bloc purchase and supply issues they just don't bother even trying to correct these people anymore.
TBF i would have complaints in relation to our handling of covid, probably many, but it'd be a shame for a very good job done(to date let's not get carried away) in relation to the vaccine roll out to get overlooked by.

The one encourgaing sign of all the unneccessary giving by what are honestly best described as uneducated and ill informed cohort of people who will make up a nice chunk of our populatuon is that if they believe the roll out is not quick it at least assumes they want to be part of the roll out and want a vaccine.

(sometimes i think we should charge everyone a fiver for the vaccine but free if you have a medical card, social welfare, etc and uptake would be 100%)

ixoy

franciscanpunk wrote: »

I do feel a certain degree of sympathy for our government in terms of vaccine roll out.

I had a quick check there using ourworldindata. Taking the 19th as a baseline (because that's the latest data set for the HSE there), we were, at that point, 19th in the world in for vaccination rates and 11th in the world for percentage totally vaccinated.

acer911

What time each day are the vaccine numbers released? And where is the best place to find this info.

I know swabs are generally around 15.00 and cases generally around 18.00 but no idea on vaccines.

shamco

Is there a date for the EMA decision on the JandJ vaccine

ceegee

acer911 wrote: »

What time each day are the vaccine numbers released? And where is the best place to find this info.

I know swabs are generally around 15.00 and cases generally around 18.00 but no idea on vaccines.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-vaccination-programme-dashboard.html

This seems to be updated quicker than the app/hub. Usually updates between 10 and 12 I think, doesn't seem to be a set time

hynesie08

acer911 wrote: »

What time each day are the vaccine numbers released? And where is the best place to find this info.

I know swabs are generally around 15.00 and cases generally around 18.00 but no idea on vaccines.

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1364167123409326083?s=20


These lads are great, if you're on twitter just set up notifications. Vaccines 11-12, swabs 3-4, cases 5-6

IRISHSPORTSGUY

franciscanpunk wrote: »

I do feel a certain degree of sympathy for our government in terms of vaccine roll out. I was scrolling social media there to wish someone a happy birthday and i came across the same 'health minister announces 1 million vaccinew for April' headline thats been knocking around a few days and i went into the comments for a look 'we are a joke', ''worst in the EU' 'govt roll out too slow', the usual stuff.

Obviously it doesn't matter a jot, just the standard ill imformed crazies on social media.

The only thing I noticed differently now is people have got so tired of explaining the EU bloc purchase and supply issues they just don't bother even trying to correct these people anymore.
TBF i would have complaints in relation to our handling of covid, probably many, but it'd be a shame for a very good job done(to date let's not get carried away) in relation to the vaccine roll out to get overlooked by.

The one encourgaing sign of all the unneccessary giving by what are honestly best described as uneducated and ill informed cohort of people who will make up a nice chunk of our populatuon is that if they believe the roll out is not quick it at least assumes they want to be part of the roll out and want a vaccine.

(sometimes i think we should charge everyone a fiver for the vaccine but free if you have a medical card, social welfare, etc and uptake would be 100%)

Yes, it's shocking the amount of people on social media who don't know about the EU's involvement. Hard to tell sometimes between the people who are genuinely ignorant of the EU procurement programme and the Sinn Fein activists (who are very much aware but trying to shape a narrative of government incompetence.)

dan786

dan786 wrote: »

So far just a dull ache in whole arm inc hand and a headache. Did get the chills an hour after it but they disappeared after 2 hours. I went during work so was still able to do another 5 hours and finish my shift after getting it despite the above and in work again early tomorrow. Should be fine.

Just an update on this to say how wrong I was by saying "should be fine".

Just before midnight on the day I got a fever and body started shivering had a sleepless night. Worst headache of my life and very bad pain in both legs. Its the worst I have ever been and I have been a through a few medical issues in the past.

A number of my colleagues got the same symptoms. Took a few neurofen tablets and now feeling much better.

Also just on the observation period, you do have to wait 15 mins atleast even with the AstraZeneca vaccine. It can be longer period if you have particular allergies etc.

eigrod

The hare and the tortoise comes to mind

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1364249272527564805?s=21

Cork2021

eigrod wrote: »

The hare and the tortoise comes to mind

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1364249272527564805?s=21

Even if they did 192000 or thereabouts they’d still vaccinate nearly 23million with a first dose

odyssey06

eigrod wrote: »

The hare and the tortoise comes to mind

Not quite, it's not just the finish line that matters here.
The sooner people are vaccinated the sooner they are protected.

hynesie08

eigrod wrote: »

The hare and the tortoise comes to mind

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1364249272527564805?s=21

The UK are going to have an issue soon when they have to start giving second doses, I really can't see them jabbing 4 million a week. I would like to be wrong though.

eigrod

eigrod wrote: »

The hare and the tortoise comes to mind

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1364249272527564805?s=21

There's not a hope of any EU country completing vaccination of adults before the UK, too far behind at this point.

They will hit supply problems and it will be a bit slower for them once they hit the start of April and a lot of their supply will be for second doses, but they too will benefit from Pfizer's increased production, they have similar amounts of J & J on order (and concluded a deal earlier than the EU), they have a Novovax deal signed long ago (still not finalised by the EU...) and they start getting Moderna in April.

hynesie08

Deleted User wrote: »

There's not a hope of any EU country completing vaccination of adults before the UK, too far behind at this point.

They will hit supply problems and it will be a bit slower for them once they hit the start of April and a lot of their supply will be for second doses, but they too will benefit from Pfizer's increased production, they have similar amounts of J & J on order (and concluded a deal earlier than the EU), they have a Novovax deal signed long ago (still not finalised by the EU...) and they start getting Moderna in April.

If the UK hit their target of every adult jabbed by July 31st then they will be finished the second dose of az by October 31st, it very much depends on your definition of "finished" but they're not going to be that far ahead.

trellheim

still no detail updates on vaccine deliveries next six weeks

funnydoggy

My friends, is there a site / database I can view that shows delivery schedules of vaccines?

trellheim

not for Ireland. most people are taking other EU countries and extrapolating backwards by population % to get ideas

RonnieL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgmbLH-v_2c

ceegee

Minister for European Affairs confirming 3.3 million doses for Q2 (excluding J&J).

hynesie08

ceegee wrote: »

Minister for European Affairs confirming 3.3 million doses for Q2 (excluding J&J).

How many J&J do we have provisionally ordered?

speckle

update2

My 90+ year old friends nursing home received their 2nd injection...late last week... no side effects.

On to the relatives the 8 over 80s and 2 high risk younger ones.
Two in the uk received first injection ...one zero side effects..other quite ill with bad flu like symtoms for a couple of days.
Younger relative injection1 last week in their care home... where covid had entered sadly... relative tested repeatively negative the entire time during this..
waiting on next relative Ireland who is 85+ which is a more complicated situation due to health.

ceegee

hynesie08 wrote: »

How many J&J do we have provisionally ordered?

2.2 million. Don't know if we've any dates for when it'll be available

ninebeanrows

One of the amazing things with the vaccines has been the virtually non existent reports of severe reactions or allergic reactions?

Have there been any reports of these? Certainly would increase confidence for nervous folk

landofthetree

hynesie08 wrote: »

How many J&J do we have provisionally ordered?

He hopes. No guarantees.


https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-s-vaccine-disaster-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-seeking-to-duck-responsibility-a-1197547d-6219-4438-9d69-b76e64701802

Thus far, only the contract with the German company Curevac has been made public. It says that the producer will make "reasonable best efforts" to deliver the agreed upon number of doses within the negotiated time frame. Pascal Soriot, the head of AstraZeneca, is now claiming the same thing. The Curevac contract also says that the producer must inform purchasers as quickly as possible of possible delays, explain the causes for those delays and present a revised timeline for delivery. That, though, is all.

Azatadine

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0223/1198890-eu-astrazeneca-vaccine/