Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

phester28

phester28 wrote: »

If someone has got the vaccine they can still catch Covid again and can still spread it

Can you elaberate on that Doctor?

Its considered extremely unlikely in any vaccine situation, for the person to obtain, carry and reinfect other people. MMR, Flu, Hep C, etc all in theory are not 100% but the 1% is tiny and the gestation period greatly reduced as the body actively attacks and kills the virus far quicker and before contagious reaction (ie sneezing for example)

facehugger99

pc7 wrote: »

I will hope to travel with the kids if it is safe and allowed in August, we will isolate if/as required on return. If it is not possible we will just sit tight.

You're confusing something being 'safe' with something being' allowed'.

Personally I'm happy making my own call on what's reasonable wrt Covid safety as opposed to taking my lead from a Government bureaucrat or a school board of governors.

I get that others want to be told what to do or think.

saabsaab

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

But surely if the vulnerable are immune and ICU beds not required, its irelevent?

The entire non vaccinated population could get it, as long as the actual effect isnt serious illness / death it doesnt matter

I didn't get the details but there were many sick enough it seems to put great strain on their health systems.

Chuck Norris 2021

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I know but you are repeating it like its fact and its not. Its unspecified guesses.

In regards the travel cert, again who voted? The eu parliament? thats great for them but they dont decide these things. Its agreed between the countries actual ministers.

Im not looking to argue this stuff, I just think its important that we stick with established information unless specified. Here for example:

"The Council recommendation covers all Member States (except Ireland)" taken from https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_2121

Its all 'recommendations' because thats the commisions job, to make recommendations but not enforce its will. the EU parliament covers certain areas but Ireland retains border control

Heres more:

"The Member States remain responsible for deciding which public health
restrictions can be waived for travellers"

"This Recommendation constitutes a development of the provisions of the Schengen acquis in which Ireland does not take part, in accordance with Council Decision 2002/192/EC ; Ireland is therefore not taking part in its adoption and is not bound by it or subject to its application"

"The legal status of this recommendation as recalled in recitals 13 to 17 is without prejudice of the need for all Member States, in the interest of the proper functioning of the Schengen area, to decide on the lifting of the restriction on non-essential travel into the EU in a coordinated manner"

All from their official report here: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/default/files/pdf/03052021_proposal_council_recommendation_com-2021-232_en.pdf

Im all for the EU, I think Brexit is a serious own goal and would oppose any Irish attempt at similar. Im also desperate for the vaccine and travel to return to normality BUT none of that means that the above isnt reality.

Ok, I though the decision was only pending for travel from outside the EU, not internally. It really is a bit worthless if the government can maintain control over our borders. Hopefully they'll force their hand when it's accepted without further restrictions by the rest of Europe. Either way, MHQ will probably end for European destinations, and with the airport fine gone, we can at least travel again.

Marcusm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

But surely if the vulnerable are immune and ICU beds not required, its irelevent?

The entire non vaccinated population could get it, as long as the actual effect isnt serious illness / death it doesnt matter

The scientists will tell you that as the disease continues to circulate it increases the opportunity for new variants to arise for which immunity may be ineffective. It’s a good reason to keep on top of numbers but not for complete lockdowns.

Nermal

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Fully agree with this. If the travel fine is gone next week, you could fly to the Canaries next Wednesday and all you need is a PCR test to get in.

As far as I can work out, that's also the case for Croatia, Malta and Cyprus.

Portugal, Italy and Greece have quarantine requirements until the middle of April at least.

pc7

I really hope they come up with a workable plan for the summer, imagine stepping off the plane and that lovely heat hits you!

theendisnear

pc7 wrote: »

I really hope they come up with a workable plan for the summer, imagine stepping off the plane and that lovely heat hits you!

Just go from Belfast. No need to worry what FFG are going to decide here

pc7

theendisnear wrote: »

Just go from Belfast. No need to worry what FFG are going to decide here

That's easy say, but we would be traveling with kids, our respective families nearly lost their lives last year when we even considered going. Its not just a black and white thing for everyone. If we'd no kids I'd have gone to the Canaries a year ago and worked from there and paid a 2k fine.

SusanC10

pc7 wrote: »

That's easy say, but we would be traveling with kids, our respective families nearly lost their lives last year when we even considered going. Its not just a black and white thing for everyone. If we'd no kids I'd have gone to the Canaries a year ago and worked from there and paid a 2k fine.

Would love, love to go somewhere abroad this Summer but we have Kids who won't be vaccinated. Also, August is out of our budget. And we are tied to school holidays.
So, much and all as I would love to go, it really isn't going to happen.

We did think about October Mid-Term but Husband wants to use the money for a longer Summer Holiday in 2022 and after a think I agree with him.

saabsaab

pc7 wrote: »

I really hope they come up with a workable plan for the summer, imagine stepping off the plane and that lovely heat hits you!

I hate too much heat. Anything over 27C id too much for most fair skinned Irish people.

Hellrazer

SusanC10 wrote: »

Would love, love to go somewhere abroad this Summer but we have Kids who won't be vaccinated. Also, August is out of our budget. And we are tied to school holidays.
So, much and all as I would love to go, it really isn't going to happen.

We did think about October Mid-Term but Husband wants to use the money for a longer Summer Holiday in 2022 and after a think I agree with him.

Wait and see what happens - they may exclude children from vaccination in order to be allowed to travel.

Im hoping for August - Spanish campsite that we`ve went to every year for the last 17 except for last year.
If that fails I`ll do Bella Italia in Lake Garda.
Then in November we`ll probably try get to the Tenerife or Lanzarote for a week.

Feria40

SusanC10 wrote: »

Would love, love to go somewhere abroad this Summer but we have Kids who won't be vaccinated. Also, August is out of our budget. And we are tied to school holidays.
So, much and all as I would love to go, it really isn't going to happen.

We did think about October Mid-Term but Husband wants to use the money for a longer Summer Holiday in 2022 and after a think I agree with him.

Your kids won't be vaccinated but with vaccination coverage begining to increase rapidly across Europe the chances of your kids catching Covid are extremely low.

The chances of your children actually getting I'll or god forbid seriously ill is somewhere close to 0% I imagine.

Remember we still have hundreds of cases a day including transmission through schools.

As long as your family observes good hygiene and local social distancing rules your kids are no more likely to catch Covid in a holiday destination than they are in the classroom in September. Or for that matter at a restaurant in Bundoran!

Edit. If the €2k fine is dropped next month head abroad as planned. If you and hubby are vacinated at that point your destination country will almost definitely not require a PCR test from you. With your kids it may depend on their exact age as to whether a PCR is required.

Tazz T

SusanC10 wrote: »

Would love, love to go somewhere abroad this Summer but we have Kids who won't be vaccinated. Also, August is out of our budget. And we are tied to school holidays.
So, much and all as I would love to go, it really isn't going to happen.

We did think about October Mid-Term but Husband wants to use the money for a longer Summer Holiday in 2022 and after a think I agree with him.

Coveney is sounding upbeat about July today and the travel industry are asking for antigen tests to be accepted so families can travel more cheaply. I'm looking at the last week in July myself.

dalyboy

saabsaab wrote: »

I hate too much heat. Anything over 27C id too much for most fair skinned Irish people.

Yeah . I learnt that the hard way in Spain many moons ago. The locals didn’t know what to make of this weird lobster skinned Irish dude. I felt like a member of the cast of alien nation.

Factor 60 from then on and away in a hack.

SusanC10

We have nothing booked now for 2021 and August has always been out of budget for us. If there were last-minute deals to be had, we might consider it though.

Also this 2 week thing on returning home - not going to school or work.

dalyboy

Tazz T wrote: »

Coveney is sounding upbeat about July today and the travel industry are asking for antigen tests to be accepted so families can travel more cheaply. I'm looking at the last week in July myself.

Leo was on RTE this afternoon speaking positively about antigen tests specifically for working and educational establishments however less positive in regards to the effectiveness of antigen tests for international travel.

Looks like we will be stuck with PCR test results as the only testing benchmark here in Ireland for the medium term.

saabsaab

dalyboy wrote: »

Yeah . I learnt that the hard way in Spain many moons ago. The locals didn’t know what to make of this weird lobster skinned Irish dude. I felt like a member of the cast of alien nation.

Factor 60 from then on and away in a hack.

Yep. Prefer to go to a cooler place but the ladies like the sun.

Hellrazer

SusanC10 wrote: »

We have nothing booked now for 2021 and August has always been out of budget for us. If there were last-minute deals to be had, we might consider it though.

Theres bargains out there to be had. A lot of places are under booked this year. For example the campsite in spain is roughly 30% cheaper than 2019 this year and the flights to Girona are the same (assuming that Ryanair dont cancel)

Also this 2 week thing on returning home - not going to school or work.

Unless its a government directive you dont have to tell your employer or school where you have been on holidays - we wont be disclosing this to either our employers or schools if we do manage to get away.

Dr. Em

Hellrazer wrote: »

Theres bargains out there to be had. A lot of places are under booked this year. For example the campsite in spain is roughly 30% cheaper than 2019 this year and the flights to Girona are the same (assuming that Ryanair dont cancel)




Unless its a government directive you dont have to tell your employer or school where you have been on holidays - we wont be disclosing this to either our employers or schools if we do manage to get away.

Just to be clear, are you advocating going straight into work and school with no isolation period, regardless of vaccination?

Wallander

Interesting to note that if Ireland was still following the EU traffic light system, as it did in the autumn before quietly opting out of it in the new year, there would now be no quarantine on return for those with a negative test from a growing number of yellow areas - all of Portugal and Malta plus large parts of Spain, Greece, Denmark, Slovakia, Norway, Finland and a small part of Austria.

As the map shows, all these areas also have lower infection rates than Leinster. Good signs with the summer and vaccinations due to drive rates even lower hopefully.

Hellrazer

Dr. Em wrote: »

Just to be clear, are you advocating going straight into work and school with no isolation period, regardless of vaccination?

Yes if there is no requirement from the government.

Dr. Em

Wallander wrote: »

Interesting to note that if Ireland was still following the EU traffic light system, as it did in the autumn before quietly opting out of it in the new year, there would now be no quarantine on return for those with a negative test from a growing number of yellow areas - all of Portugal and Malta plus large parts of Spain, Greece, Denmark, Slovakia, Norway, Finland and a small part of Austria.

As the map shows, all these areas also have lower infection rates than Leinster. Good signs with the summer and vaccinations due to drive rates even lower hopefully.

It would be best to scratch Denmark, Norway and Finland off the list of travel possibilities for the time being due to their own entry restrictions. I don't know about the other yellow countries.

Micky 32

I see RTE headline “ 7 cases of Indian variant in NI” that will fuel the anti travel mantra.

Chuck Norris 2021

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see RTE headline “ 7 cases of Indian variant in NI” that will fuel the anti travel mantra.

They need to be added to the MHQ list without delay :pac:.

Tazz T

SusanC10 wrote: »

We have nothing booked now for 2021 and August has always been out of budget for us. If there were last-minute deals to be had, we might consider it though.

Also this 2 week thing on returning home - not going to school or work.

I don't normally do packages, but I'm seeing surprisingly good prices July/August with TUI Ireland and they're also offering good assurances re refunds should anything happen, plus PCR discounts and help getting tests before returning.

Greece saying today it will complete vaccination of the entire adult population by July.
https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1160606/greece-aims-to-vaccinate-all-adults-by-early-july/

Can't imagine they're still going to demand a 2 week quarantine coming home from a fully vaxxed Green country when you've had a PCR. Would they??

patscott27

Any idea on when non essential travel from Belfast to rest of UK will be allowed? Other half lives in England.

Dr. Em

Hellrazer wrote: »

Yes if there is no requirement from the government.

This is what I was talking about earlier. If we want travel to resume as normal soon, we should really be doing the maximum to protect our communities after travelling, be it required by law or not. If more people had kept to self-isolation, we would have the nonsense of MHQ.

Hellrazer

And if you pass Covid on to your colleagues?

Ah come on - I could pass the flu on to my colleagues - If theres a requirement to isolate from the country I plan on travelling to I wont go there - Ill go somewhere else.
If theres not I wont be disclosing what I do in my own time to anyone.

We travelled to Italy last August - There was no government instructions to isolate or quarantine on return so we didnt and we also didnt tell either of our employers where we went. -it was none of their business.

We followed the health guidelines on travel!!!

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

I didn't get the details but there were many sick enough it seems to put great strain on their health systems.

Yes, prior to that group being vaccinated. Now it should be manageable surely?