Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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Dr. Em wrote: »

If more people had kept to self-isolation, we would have the nonsense of MHQ.

Not true in the slightest. You cannot placate an unreasonable mob by 'being good'.

dodzy

Lumen wrote: »

It's not really 14 days, it's 5 days plus however long it takes to get the test result, unless you test positive, and that's then only as inconvenient as it would be for an infection acquired in Ireland.

OK, so it' an extra week you've to take off work in effect. That'll scupper many people.

dalyboy

patscott27 wrote: »

Any idea on when non essential travel from Belfast to rest of UK will be allowed? Other half lives in England.

Vradkar mentioned that today also.
He said there’s going to be a bizzare period of 4-5 weeks when NI , Scotland, Wales and England can travel to Ireland but we won’t be able to go to the latter 3 locations.

He’s going to ensure that it’s prioritised to have reciprocal UK travel corridor by early July.

Dr. Em

Hellrazer wrote: »

Ah come on - I could pass the flu on to my colleagues - If theres a requirement to isolate from the country I plan on travelling to I wont go there - Ill go somewhere else.
If theres not I wont be disclosing what I do in my own time to anyone.

We travelled to Italy last August - There was no government instructions to isolate or quarantine on return so we didnt and we also didnt tell either of our employers where we went. -it was none of their business.

We followed the health guidelines on travel!!!

Italy must have been on the green list at the time, because there was a requirement to self-isolate last summer.

Right now, parts of Norway and Finland are the only areas that are green on the traffic light system, and you won't get into those countries right now, so there most likely will still be a requirement to self-isolate for all but the lucky vaccinated ones. It sounded like you were encouraging people not to self-isolate, even where required by law and recommended by health authorities.

facehugger99

pc7 wrote: »

That's easy say, but we would be traveling with kids, our respective families nearly lost their lives last year when we even considered going. Its not just a black and white thing for everyone. If we'd no kids I'd have gone to the Canaries a year ago and worked from there and paid a 2k fine.

Personally I wouldn't let other people dictate what I do.

You really missed out BTW. I doubt there will ever be cheaper travel, a more pleasant airport experience or less hoards of people at popular tourists spots than there was last summer.


Still, at least you kept your families from gossiping.

Lumen

dodzy wrote: »

OK, so it' an extra week you've to take off work in effect. That'll scupper many people.

Sure, but I think the origin of this thread of conversation (way back pages ago probably) was about quarantining kids after holidays and before school.

M_Murphy57

patscott27 wrote: »

Any idea on when non essential travel from Belfast to rest of UK will be allowed? Other half lives in England.

This is inter UK travel. There are no restrictions surely ? Essential or not?

Corholio

dalyboy wrote: »

Vradkar mentioned that today also.
He said there’s going to be a bizzare period of 4-5 weeks when NI , Scotland, Wales and England can travel to Ireland but we won’t be able to go to the latter 3 locations.

He’s going to ensure that it’s prioritised to have reciprocal UK travel corridor by early July.

Belfast to UK should be ok from 17th May, I think they are announcing the details of that tomorrow.

Hellrazer

Hellrazer wrote: »

Ah come on - I could pass the flu on to my colleagues - If theres a requirement to isolate from the country I plan on travelling to I wont go there - Ill go somewhere else.
If theres not I wont be disclosing what I do in my own time to anyone.

We travelled to Italy last August - There was no government instructions to isolate or quarantine on return so we didnt and we also didnt tell either of our employers where we went. -it was none of their business.

We followed the health guidelines on travel!!!

There was so a recommendation to isolate after travel last August. It wasn't a legal requirement but it was a recommendation.

The public sector mandated that recommendation be complied with since July 2020.

Tinder Surprise

chances of getting to Italy on June 28th with the family?

will be the second year we#ll have to cancel (like most i suppose)

Ray Donovan

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

chances of getting to Italy on June 28th with the family?

will be the second year we#ll have to cancel (like most i suppose)

I don’t know what you have to do to enter Italy, but from the Irish end you have to firstly hope the €2,000 travel fine is gone. Then ignore all the scaremongering. Then to return you will need a PCR test for each of your family and 14 days home quarantine which can end if you get a PCR test 5 days after returning and it is negative.

Not simple, quite expensive but manageable. You might be spared the home quarantine is the eu travel cert is in by the time you return but I doubt it.

Personally, my wife and I are booked for Lanzarote for 3 weeks from June 29th (roll over from last year) and the only thing stopping us is the travel fine. The 14 day quarantine at home is not an issue. So fingers crossed it’ll be gone.

Leo, Simon, Tony eat al can talk about staycations, no travel until later in the year etc but really it’s just an attempt to confuse people and muddy the waters. Looks to me fine is going and they are onto Plan B which is spread confusion.

Tinder Surprise

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I don’t know what you have to do to enter Italy, but from the Irish end you have to firstly hope the €2,000 travel fine is gone. Then ignore all the scaremongering. Then to return you will need a PCR test for each of your family and 14 days home quarantine which can end if you get a PCR test 5 days after returning and it is negative.

Not simple, quite expensive but manageable. You might be spared the home quarantine is the eu travel cert is in by the time you return but I doubt it.

Thanks Ray

mmclo

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I know but you are repeating it like its fact and its not. Its unspecified guesses.

In regards the travel cert, again who voted? The eu parliament? thats great for them but they dont decide these things. Its agreed between the countries actual ministers.

Im not looking to argue this stuff, I just think its important that we stick with established information unless specified. Here for example:

"The Council recommendation covers all Member States (except Ireland)" taken from https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_2121

Its all 'recommendations' because thats the commisions job, to make recommendations but not enforce its will. the EU parliament covers certain areas but Ireland retains border control

Heres more:

"The Member States remain responsible for deciding which public health
restrictions can be waived for travellers"

"This Recommendation constitutes a development of the provisions of the Schengen acquis in which Ireland does not take part, in accordance with Council Decision 2002/192/EC ; Ireland is therefore not taking part in its adoption and is not bound by it or subject to its application"

"The legal status of this recommendation as recalled in recitals 13 to 17 is without prejudice of the need for all Member States, in the interest of the proper functioning of the Schengen area, to decide on the lifting of the restriction on non-essential travel into the EU in a coordinated manner"

All from their official report here: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/default/files/pdf/03052021_proposal_council_recommendation_com-2021-232_en.pdf

Im all for the EU, I think Brexit is a serious own goal and would oppose any Irish attempt at similar. Im also desperate for the vaccine and travel to return to normality BUT none of that means that the above isnt reality.

You’re mixing the Digital Cert and travel from outside the EU, they are two separate proposals and have a different legal basis. The digital cert is Art 21 and applies to all member states (although doesn’t have strong enforcement bar normal infringement procedures) and he external travel is “Schengen” where we can negotiate and choose to opt in as per the treaties

Again the EP is co-legislator on both files, people’s knowledge of the EP is about 2-3 treaties out of date. It has equal legislative power with the Council on about 80% of EU laws. The EP is in the recently established “trialogue” on the digital cert

https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1389270111790436359?s=21

MizMix

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

chances of getting to Italy on June 28th with the family?

will be the second year we#ll have to cancel (like most i suppose)

Similar here- France June 26th with family. Husband vaccinated and kids under 11 don't need to be tested so it'll just be a test for me both ways....assuming the 2k fine is gone, MHQ gone for EU countries I'm still hopeful. Will consider flying from belfast (I work up the north anyway) but being honest I can't see the 2k fine or MHQ being there by then so somewhat hopeful....no problem isolating at home on return as schools are out and we can work from home

Neilw

Thinking of rolling the dice and booking flights to the USA for end of November, what are people’s opinions on being able to travel then?

Van.Bosch

Neilw wrote: »

Thinking of rolling the dice and booking flights to the USA for end of November, what are people’s opinions on being able to travel then?

I think you’ll be fine but I would wait until the US announce they are removing their entry restrictions, should be a few weeks.

Donald Trump

facehugger99 wrote: »

Still, at least you kept your families from gossiping.

Or dying from the virus being brought back with him on return from his holliers.

mmclo

mmclo wrote: »

You’re mixing the Digital Cert and travel from outside the EU, they are two separate proposals and have a different legal basis. The digital cert is Art 21 and applies to all member states (although doesn’t have strong enforcement bar normal infringement procedures) and he external travel is “Schengen” where we can negotiate and choose to opt in as per the treaties

Again the EP is co-legislator on both files, people’s knowledge of the EP is about 2-3 treaties out of date. It has equal legislative power with the Council on about 80% of EU laws. The EP is in the recently established “trialogue” on the digital cert

https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1389270111790436359?s=21

Your proof is a tweet?

I'm aware they are different. It's not relevant to my point concerning the ability to force Ireland to open up or our control of borders.

Frankie19

We have a family holiday booked for Portugal mid September. Starting to feel optimistic we might get there. Sent off the babies passport application today so it will be interesting to see how long that takes.

Just hoping the children won't need pcr tests and myself and husband are fully vaccinated by then (mid 30s).

Chris_5339762

Hellrazer wrote: »

Unless its a government directive you dont have to tell your employer or school where you have been on holidays - we wont be disclosing this to either our employers or schools if we do manage to get away.

All public servants have a work-mandated ban on travel to anywhere other than green list countries (if they exist anymore). Unless you book two weeks of annual leave for when you return. And you CAN'T work from home during those two weeks, it has to be leave.

Management ask people what their plans are for blocks of time off.


Now yes, they have no right to know, but you can forget about ever being considered for a promotion if you prevaricate.


Yes its illegal, but it hasn't been tested in the courts yet. I can see the vaccine cert becoming a thing, but this additional lock prevents any HSE or public service staff from going abroad until they scrap it. Which they won't

pc7

facehugger99 wrote: »

Still, at least you kept your families from gossiping.

It’s not gossiping, they are elderly and would have worried themselves into a grave. I certainly don’t have them dictating to me, but I love and respect them and would never do anything to add worry to them especially last year when things were very scary for them.
As said if we didn’t have young kids it would have been a different story.
I most definitely won’t have anyone on boards dictating to me.

Darwin

MizMix wrote: »

Similar here- France June 26th with family. Husband vaccinated and kids under 11 don't need to be tested so it'll just be a test for me both ways....assuming the 2k fine is gone, MHQ gone for EU countries I'm still hopeful. Will consider flying from belfast (I work up the north anyway) but being honest I can't see the 2k fine or MHQ being there by then so somewhat hopeful....no problem isolating at home on return as schools are out and we can work from home

Heading to France end of June too regardless of the airport fine situation here. It's part necessity (property related) and part holiday so we will argue our case if challenged. My wife and I should be vaccinated shortly so that might simplify things a little.

sy_flembeck

Hellrazer wrote: »

Theres bargains out there to be had. A lot of places are under booked this year. For example the campsite in spain is roughly 30% cheaper than 2019 this year and the flights to Girona are the same (assuming that Ryanair dont cancel)

Ditto. Campsite 20% off = another 20% code to entice me to use last year's credit note.
And €100 return each to Girona with daytime flights. So long as they don't cancel.....

dalyboy

Can’t wait for the UK’s green list announcement tomorrow.

It’ll be amusing to see if our government address the elephant in the room over the coming days ..... Belfast

Van.Bosch

dalyboy wrote: »

Can’t wait for the UK’s green list announcement tomorrow.

It’ll be amusing to see if our government address the elephant in the room over the coming days ..... Belfast

Doubt they will - they still havnt clarified that the 6 counties count as intra county travel. They are never going to come out and say you can’t go to them but at the same time they give no guidance etc on restrictions if you do go there.

Ray Donovan

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Doubt they will - they still havnt clarified that the 6 counties count as intra county travel. They are never going to come out and say you can’t go to them but at the same time they give no guidance etc on restrictions if you do go there.

Is it a green list for the UK or just England?

Edit - Just found its only England from May 17th.

Happydays2020

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Is it a green list for the UK or just England?

Not sure. Does England decide and the devolved can decide to follow?

faceman

dalyboy wrote: »

Can’t wait for the UK’s green list announcement tomorrow.

It’ll be amusing to see if our government address the elephant in the room over the coming days ..... Belfast

They may address it. The NI health minister is making noise

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/non-essential-cross-border-travel-must-be-stopped-by-enforcement-if-required-1122994.html

Hellrazer

Dr. Em wrote: »

Italy must have been on the green list at the time, because there was a requirement to self-isolate last summer.

Italy was on the green list and there was no recommendation to self isolate or quarantine on your return.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

There was so a recommendation to isolate after travel last August. It wasn't a legal requirement but it was a recommendation.

The public sector mandated that recommendation be complied with since July 2020.

See above - there was absolutely no requirement or recommendation to self isolate at all.

If individual employers (In your case the public service) mandated that then that was their requirement - the industry Im in and my wifes had no such requirement and as such we had no need to notify them of our travel plans and wont be doing so in the future.

Chuck Norris 2021

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/it-would-be-a-shame-if-we-let-covid-damage-ireland-s-c%C3%A9ad-m%C3%ADle-f%C3%A1ilte-1.4557438

Excellent article. Sums up the response to the virus in Ireland perfectly.