Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

facehugger99

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

It might not be irrelevant of our employers insist on the 5 day rule though. Thanks for replying ðŸ‘

Your employer has no right to know what you do in your private life.

M_Murphy57

"We will get to explore our own beautiful country again"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/joe-duffy-listener-complains-quoted-e4100-three-night-hotel-stay-kerry-summer-721295

Wallander

Looks like the Department of Health pushback against the Green Cert has begun. Referring to all international travel as 'sun holidays' is not accidental:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sun-holidays-could-be-off-the-cards-if-thenumber-oftravel-related-covid-cases-continues-to-climb-40392501.html

JMNolan

Wallander wrote: »

Looks like the Department of Health pushback against the Green Cert has begun. Referring to all international travel as 'sun holidays' is not accidental:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sun-holidays-could-be-off-the-cards-if-thenumber-oftravel-related-covid-cases-continues-to-climb-40392501.html

They can push away to their hearts content, the big boys and girls of Europe will decide what happens regarding travel.

Chuck Norris 2021

JMNolan wrote: »

They can push away to their hearts content, the big boys and girls of Europe will decide what happens regarding travel.

I think at this stage two things are pretty clear (I hope I'm right here);

1. They can no longer apply fines at the airport from May 10th as it'll be disproportionate to domestic restrictions and therefore a breach of EU law.

2. They have no option but to adopt the EU green cert, and the most they can delay is 6 weeks from EU introduction. They may, however, chose to drag their heals issuing them.

I think the EU green cert may be largely irrelevant to those travelling at the beginning, as I would imagine that the vast majority of EU countries will be proactive and accept proof of vaccination, or worst case, a test, while it is being rolled out. The main hurdle now is the removal of EU countries from the MHQ list. Has anyone managed to find the criteria for this?

Happydays2020

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

. Has anyone managed to find the criteria for this?

Some kind of spin the bottle type game?

Lumen

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Has anyone managed to find the criteria for this?

A designated state is a state where there is known to be sustained human transmission of COVID-19, or any VOC, or from which there is a high risk of importation of COVID-19 or any VOC, by travel from that state

This ought to cover most countries on the planet, since anywhere that doesn't have "sustained human transmission" must by definition have zero COVID.

pc7

dodzy wrote: »

14 day solation on return surely screws the vast majority who cannot work from home. That’s my no.1 obstacle and once that goes, the floodgates will open.

Also for those of us with kids, they aren't allowed into school if they've been out of the country in the previous 14 days. So if we are to get a holiday in I need for us to be back in the country for 17th August. This mightn't be a runner the way the government are dragging their heels.

So if we fly say to Spain from Belfast after 17th of May, we do not need to quarantine on arrival back, or do I have that wrong?

facehugger99

pc7 wrote: »

Also for those of us with kids, they aren't allowed into school if they've been out of the country in the previous 14 days. So if we are to get a holiday in I need for us to be back in the country for 17th August. This mightn't be a runner the way the government are dragging their heels.

Your children's school have no right to know what you do in your private life.

josip

Wallander wrote: »

Looks like the Department of Health pushback against the Green Cert has begun. Referring to all international travel as 'sun holidays' is not accidental:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sun-holidays-could-be-off-the-cards-if-thenumber-oftravel-related-covid-cases-continues-to-climb-40392501.html

But did anyone in the department use the term "sun holiday"?
It's just the Indo's click-baiting scutter-headline.

Micky 32

Deleted User wrote: »

So if we fly say to Spain from Belfast after 17th of May, we do not need to quarantine on arrival back, or do I have that wrong?

Maybe i’m wrong but i don’t think Spain is on the quarantine list. At least for now anyway :pac:

Clickclickboom

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

I think at this stage two things are pretty clear (I hope I'm right here);

1. They can no longer apply fines at the airport from May 10th as it'll be disproportionate to domestic restrictions and therefore a breach of EU law.

Do you have any news articles that explain more on this matter ?

Chuck Norris 2021

Clickclickboom wrote: »

Do you have any news articles that explain more on this matter ?

I don't have any articles on it, they're keeping it quiet in the media. This came from further back in this tread. There was a long debate on the legality of the fine. The information on the expiry date came straight from the government website. A number of posters also made complaints to the European commission, but again, I think this pointed to the proportionality. When one of those posters comes along they'll be able to explain it better.

Chuck Norris 2021

Deleted User wrote: »

So if we fly say to Spain from Belfast after 17th of May, we do not need to quarantine on arrival back, or do I have that wrong?

The government expects you to quarantine at home (14 days, but can test at 5) unless you've come from a MHQ country and then you should book the hotel and make your way there.......

No one in their right mind would do so, however, and I doubt they have any way of catching you. If it was me I'd stay indoors 5 days and take another test just to be safe, cause if anyone you know gets it they'll automatically blame the person that was travelling....:pac:

Wallander

josip wrote: »

But did anyone in the department use the term "sun holiday"?
It's just the Indo's click-baiting scutter-headline.

No way of knowing that but it definitely suits both parties - readers who think of sun breaks and medics who want to trivialise international travel as a non-essential luxury.

Ray Donovan

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

I think at this stage two things are pretty clear (I hope I'm right here);

1. They can no longer apply fines at the airport from May 10th as it'll be disproportionate to domestic restrictions and therefore a breach of EU law.

2. They have no option but to adopt the EU green cert, and the most they can delay is 6 weeks from EU introduction. They may, however, chose to drag their heals issuing them.

I think the EU green cert may be largely irrelevant to those travelling at the beginning, as I would imagine that the vast majority of EU countries will be proactive and accept proof of vaccination, or worst case, a test, while it is being rolled out. The main hurdle now is the removal of EU countries from the MHQ list. Has anyone managed to find the criteria for this?

Fully agree with this. If the travel fine is gone next week, you could fly to the Canaries next Wednesday and all you need is a PCR test to get in. All looking good at the moment.

If the Travel fine goes I’d say the floodgates will open for the non-sheople among us.

However attempting to find out if it is gone could be slightly troublesome. Usually Citizens Information is my go to for these issues but who knows how promptly that would be updated.

Anyways on a personal level I’m not travelling until June 29th so I have lots of time to get it all figured out.

mel123

The proof of recovering from Covid in the last 6 months, does anyone know how you prove this? Will it be in your digital cert, so lets say you apply for a cert they ask you if you had covid in the last 6 months? Its a bit ask for our numptys to run one database off the other, so i am wondering where the 'proof' is, has anyone read anything on it?

Chuck Norris 2021

It's funny how much hysteria there has been about travel, and then you read this kind of stuff in the media, and noone seems to bat an eye lid, and the government do nothing about it.....and this is all in one county.

Dr Anthony Breslin, director of public health, HSE North West, said one outbreak of 84 infections of the virus came as a result of people gathering at a wake.

A further 32 cases of Covid came from one infected person who caught the virus at a family gathering and who then went to work while still awaiting the result of a Covid test.

And another 19 cases spread among a group of younger people who had gathered for an 18th birthday party.

And they're still talking about one flight last year......

JojoLoca

mel123 wrote: »

The proof of recovering from Covid in the last 6 months, does anyone know how you prove this? Will it be in your digital cert, so lets say you apply for a cert they ask you if you had covid in the last 6 months? Its a bit ask for our numptys to run one database off the other, so i am wondering where the 'proof' is, has anyone read anything on it?

My guess is, it would be the sms or whatever you get with your positive test result.

Chuck Norris 2021

Ray Donovan wrote: »

However attempting to find out if it is gone could be slightly troublesome. Usually Citizens Information is my go to for these issues but who knows how promptly that would be updated.

Anyways on a personal level I’m not travelling until June 29th so I have lots of time to get it all figured out.

Should be well gone by then. There will surely be someone on here travelling soon that'll advise. I might take a drive up to the airport next week if I'm in that way, have a letter that'll put me in the area.

Tazz T

mel123 wrote: »

The proof of recovering from Covid in the last 6 months, does anyone know how you prove this? Will it be in your digital cert, so lets say you apply for a cert they ask you if you had covid in the last 6 months? Its a bit ask for our numptys to run one database off the other, so i am wondering where the 'proof' is, has anyone read anything on it?

No details on it yet. I'm waiting to see the finer details on this before getting a antibody test.

M_Murphy57

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Should be well gone by then. There will surely be someone on here travelling soon that'll advise. I might take a drive up to the airport next week if I'm in that way, have a letter that'll put me in the area.

Could you ring the gards or the airport police and ask?

Chuck Norris 2021

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/home-covid-test-kitscould-potentially-dispense-with-hotel-quarantine-government-scientific-adviser-40390071.html

Interesting proposal, I can't see it getting much traction here for the moment though. Was just reading another article about MHQ, and Stephen Donnelly has made it clear that they are no longer adding European countries based on numbers, that it is purely based on Scariants. There are variants in pretty mcuh every European country, why are they singling out Italy and France, and how long will it continue?

Lumen

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/home-covid-test-kitscould-potentially-dispense-with-hotel-quarantine-government-scientific-adviser-40390071.html

Interesting proposal, I can't see it getting much traction here for the moment though. Was just reading another article about MHQ, and Stephen Donnelly has made it clear that they are no longer adding European countries based on numbers, that it is purely based on Scariants. There are variants in pretty mcuh every European country, why are they singling out Italy and France, and how long will it continue?

Prof Ferguson said the false positive rate for rapid antigen testing was 1 in 1,000, while there were also false negatives.

What would that false negative rate be, Prof? 20% maybe?

Blut2

Lumen wrote: »

10 May is when inter-county travel is derestricted.

This makes sense. The EU response to a complaint (quoted earlier in this thread) was that the international travel ban was considered proportionate given that the pandemic was apparently so bad here that we weren't allowed to move around domestically (I'm paraphrasing).

Without the domestic restriction the international restriction is no longer justified.

Therefore they're unlocking national and international travel at the same time.

Something else with very coincidental timing that might be worth bearing in mind is the "Dubai two" have their constitutionality challenge against MHQ being heard in the courts on May 11th. I wonder if we may see it being struck down for Irish & EU citizens on that date.

Chuck Norris 2021

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Could you ring the gards or the airport police and ask?

General enquiries at the airport would probably know. Might send them a message in a few days, they are usually pretty helpful.

mel123

mel123 wrote: »

The proof of recovering from Covid in the last 6 months, does anyone know how you prove this? Will it be in your digital cert, so lets say you apply for a cert they ask you if you had covid in the last 6 months? Its a bit ask for our numptys to run one database off the other, so i am wondering where the 'proof' is, has anyone read anything on it?

Antigen test I would have thought

Dr. Em

I'm sure there are a lot of responsible travellers on here, but it is discouraging to see many posters focusing on getting around restrictions or planning on doing the bare minimum not to be legally punished. It would help speed up the loosening of restrictions for all of us if there were a greater focus on voluntarily do the maximum to protect our communities and clean up the image of travel, eg. self-isolate for the recommended period, get tested, not go to work, not send kids to school directly after travel, etc.

I want to be able to see my friends and family overseas sometime, and not have to navigate travel bans.

Van.Bosch

Dr. Em wrote: »

I'm sure there are a lot of responsible travellers on here, but it is discouraging to see many posters focusing on getting around restrictions or planning on doing the bare minimum not to be legally punished. It would help speed up the loosening of restrictions for all of us if there were a greater focus on voluntarily do the maximum to protect our communities and clean up the image of travel, eg. self-isolate for the recommended period, get tested, not go to work, not send kids to school directly after travel, etc.

I want to be able to see my friends and family overseas sometime, and not have to navigate travel bans.

I think most people are planning to do all that a it’s the fines for leaving the country people seem to want to “get around”