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O'Leary Throws Down The Gauntlet To NPHET

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Ah come on now...if Houlihan was running the airline there's a good chance you wouldn't even land in the city you thought you were headed to....

    So exactly like ryanair?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    This man should be president

    One good thing to come out of the Trump presidency was to show how bad an idea it is to have someone try run a country as a business. All they're concerned about is lining their own pockets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Even at €200 to be able to get the jab would be worth it, if you wait for the HSE to supply you with the jab then you'll still be here next year waiting...

    Where do you think you're going to get the jab from, magic it out of the air?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Good for him, finally someone publically challenging the hysteria.
    I’m very very happy that he said that Ryanair won’t be looking for proof of vaccination, that gives me hope to be able to visit family this year, instead of having to wait until they get around to vaccinating the lowest level of priority.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I honestly don't know.

    My gripe is that why are we not being told this in the media?

    The same media is frantically showing us home vids of panicking 20 and 30 somethings who got a cough for 2 days. All well and good, but at least report one of our largest European neighbours conveying indifference to our state sponsored vaccine?

    I just want the truth, we all deserve it.

    Hold it your gripe originally was Germany were not vaccinating anyone over 65 and now it this 1 vaccine. I think its you who are trying to confuse people. So the fact is you do not know that they are not vaccinating people over 65


  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭greyday


    What pandemic? It's a severe flu season. Masks do not work. Social distancing does not work. Lockdowns do not work. Hand santizer does not work. They only serve to destroy the economy society and the mental health of our people who are paralyzed by fear social isolation and despair. We need to open up immediately to save our country from total ruin.

    Go to the Doctor, just bring a copy of your contributions to this thread and he will give you the very strong stuff, probably a lifelong repeat prescription, win win for everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Multipass wrote: »
    Good for him, finally someone publically challenging the hysteria.
    I’m very very happy that he said that Ryanair won’t be looking for proof of vaccination, that gives me hope to be able to visit family this year, instead of having to wait until they get around to vaccinating the lowest level of priority.

    Is that's a promise he can make?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I honestly don't know.

    My gripe is that why are we not being told this in the media?

    The same media is frantically showing us home vids of panicking 20 and 30 somethings who got a cough for 2 days. All well and good, but at least report one of our largest European neighbours conveying indifference to our state sponsored vaccine?

    I just want the truth, we all deserve it.

    The media ran stories last Thursday be for EMA approval about the German decision.

    Dr Colm Henry and Dr Tony Holohan were asked about it at the HSE and NPHET press conferences last week.

    Minister of Health Stephen Donnelly was interviewed about the German decision last Thursday.

    Various people were asked about the German decision over the weekend. If you watch the nphet press briefing tonight you'll see someone ask.

    To sum up 8% of the people in the trial group were over 55. The Germans felt that the confidence interval over the efficacy was too wide in over 65s as too few over 65s were involved in the trial.

    The EMA considered the evidence separately and they took into account lab based trials that showed a strong antibody response in over 65s and decided thag they felt there was no evidence of a difference between over 65s and the rest of the population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭Masala


    What help will he give us when stuck in Spain if given a positive test on the return leg! He wont give two ****s.... he will just keep your money, get you to rebook at the higher 'last minute' prices and then leave you on the long road of ignored emails etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Multipass wrote: »
    Good for him, finally someone publically challenging the hysteria.
    I’m very very happy that he said that Ryanair won’t be looking for proof of vaccination, that gives me hope to be able to visit family this year, instead of having to wait until they get around to vaccinating the lowest level of priority.
    Ryanair May be required to, depending on regulations introduced by countries they fly into.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    So many ppl (family, friends, work contacts)have said to me they’ll be boycotting Ryanair for life after the despicable carry on of Ryanair over the last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Where do you think you're going to get the jab from, magic it out of the air?

    He'd of successfully negotiated a watertight contract with the Pharma company so it wasn't just a "we'll do our best", ensured the distribution was efficient and on time, kept the public up to date with a proper online system, and ensured weekly targets were met... Just like any well run project....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Is that's a promise he can make?.

    Probably not, but I feel better knowing that someone is fighting for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    NPHET are going to be overly cautious.
    Big Business is going to be overly Liberal.

    What we need is the people that we elect to meet half way because we all know somewhere in between the 2 extremes is the right path. It does seem like government is leading too much toward the Conservative approach. And the media are 100% down the Conservative approach, who shouldn't even be a factor but it seems like government make decisions entirely based on what the media will think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,135 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Is that's a promise he can make?.

    Probably can to be fair. It'd be the country receiving you that will be what wants the proof of vaccine or else go straight to quarantine.

    In true Ryanair fashion he'll take your money and get you roughly to the destination, after that not his problem sort it yourself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,452 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't think they are. It is highly patronising for NPHET to assume either.

    There lies my gripe.

    The least they can be with us is honest, I am sick of having to read between the lines.

    Don't fall into the trap of assuming everyone is stupid, it is a lazy attitude to develop or harness.

    they bloody well are.
    Half the people you meet are morons and social media have addled their brains even more. We have people on facebook who can barely spell their name and count to 10 using their fingers thinking they know better than NPHET on the virus or against the vaccine because they think its a control thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    seamus wrote: »
    O'Leary is a gobsh1te and has been a complete disgrace since the start of this thing.

    All he cares about is shareholder returns for Ryanair. That's all he's doing. Same as Ryanair's big whinge back in April 2020 that they would be flying except that Governments won't let them. They don't give a single fvck about the safety of their passengers or crew, it's all about the money.

    O'Leary's rant today is about as insightful as every other moron on boards and facebook claiming that there's some ulterior motive to what NPHET is doing and that lockdowns are ineffective.

    He's got his headlines now, but really he's just pissed off because Ryanair are going to post a loss. He's a cock.

    You’re probably right, though it’s probably also not ridiculous to say that many people in public office act out of their own ulterior motives (maintain popularity and votes). Sometimes, at least it’s refreshing that O’Leary is more or less upfront about it — rather than us being subjected to politicians telling us how much they really care about saving the lives of old people who they never really gave a toss about until it became expedient.

    There is a point to what he says, regardless of his motivations. It has often seemed to me that these conferences on case numbers are a great way of all-but-saying “look at how much the feckless people aren’t listening, if they would just listen harder the numbers would topple down much faster”. The government relied on case numbers as a handy means of communication — they provided a hard numerical barometer of what success or deterioration looked like.

    Now we have a new hard number by which to measure the government’s success on Covid policy — vaccinations. Regardless of Ryanair taking hits, there is still a pressing public interest in knowing where exactly we are at so that pressure can be brought to bear on our authorities if they are failing us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    seamus wrote: »
    O'Leary is a gobsh1te and has been a complete disgrace since the start of this thing.

    All he cares about is shareholder returns for Ryanair. That's all he's doing. Same as Ryanair's big whinge back in April 2020 that they would be flying except that Governments won't let them. They don't give a single fvck about the safety of their passengers or crew, it's all about the money.

    O'Leary's rant today is about as insightful as every other moron on boards and facebook claiming that there's some ulterior motive to what NPHET is doing and that lockdowns are ineffective.

    He's got his headlines now, but really he's just pissed off because Ryanair are going to post a loss. He's a cock.

    Big +1 to this. It’s the same old scutter talk from O’Leary. It’s depressing how many ppl seem to “fall under his spell” when he blathers on.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Our country is on its knees.
    Our economy is destroyed.............

    It actually isn't.
    Look at the income tax take......... loads of folk on low wages are on state payments but the income tax take is quite healthy.

    That's not much good to the local hairdresser, restauranteur or publican but at a high level the country isn't on it's knees and the economy isn't destroyed.

    O Leary is a bullsh1tter who spouts populist horsesh1t ................ I've still not been refunded for flights cancelled last May and they were booked direct with Ryanair. O Leary claims all folk have been refunded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Multipass wrote: »
    Good for him, finally someone publically challenging the hysteria.
    I’m very very happy that he said that Ryanair won’t be looking for proof of vaccination, that gives me hope to be able to visit family this year, instead of having to wait until they get around to vaccinating the lowest level of priority.
    What he's saying here is that Ryanair will take you to your destination regardless of whether you will be allowed to stay or not.

    If Ryanair check your vaccination status before you leave, they may have to refund you when they deny you borading. If they bring you all the way, they have your money (and whatever you spent on board), and then getting into the country is your problem.

    Don't be fooled - Ryanair don't do anything that is in their passengers' best interests.

    If they find that there's more money in checking vaccination status before boarding (like being allowed to keep your money), they will be doing that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭greyday


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I spoke with friends in Germany yesterday. Last week we were being told that the German quality control had judged the vaccine not as effective on the over 65's.

    I was told by a German yesterday that they are implementing a vaccination strategy of only using Astra Zeneca on under 65's as a result. For 2 reasons. The first being that the under 65's need to get back to work. The 2nd being that their own medical and pharma agency judged the vaccine to not working cohesively with over 65's.

    Why are we not being told this?
    This was told and was in all the papers, Germany will use Pfizer and Moderna vaccines on over 65's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Even at €200 to be able to get the jab would be worth it, if you wait for the HSE to supply you with the jab then you'll still be here next year waiting...

    Well first of all you would jump in line before the vulnerable who really need it first?

    Second countries can only get whatever the companies can make and deliver in its contracts. Do you think little Ireland on its own would have got a better deal?

    Third the vaccine does not stop you from getting it and passing it on to other people which brings me to my first point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I would love O Leary to be Minister for Health or head of HSE, he'd save Ireland billions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,135 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    seamus wrote: »
    What he's saying here is that Ryanair will take you to your destination regardless of whether you will be allowed to stay or not.

    If Ryanair check your vaccination status before you leave, they may have to refund you when they deny you borading. If they bring you all the way, they have your money (and whatever you spent on board), and then getting into the country is your problem.

    Don't be fooled - Ryanair don't do anything that is in their passengers' best interests.

    If they find that there's more money in checking vaccination status before boarding (like being allowed to keep your money), they will be doing that.

    Bingo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Can you imagine the self pity and self indulgent warblings from O’Leary if he had a bad dose of covid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Well first of all you would jump in line before the vulnerable who really need it first?

    Second countries can only get whatever the companies can make and deliver in its contracts. Do you think little Ireland on its own would have got a better deal?

    Third the vaccine does not stop you from getting it and passing it on to other people which brings me to my first point

    Any evidence on your last point?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON



    The EMA considered the evidence separately and they took into account lab based trials that showed a strong antibody response in over 65s and decided thag they felt there was no evidence of a difference between over 65s and the rest of the population.

    Would you not be intrigued to know or understand why this was only conveyed by our media 7 days after the EU realised that Astra Zeneca were taking the piss?

    I would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    He'd of successfully negotiated a watertight contract with the Pharma company so it wasn't just a "we'll do our best", ensured the distribution was efficient and on time, kept the public up to date with a proper online system, and ensured weekly targets were met... Just like any well run project....

    Are you deluded with what's happening in the world at the moment in terms of vaccines?

    The gob****es in Ryanair couldn't even manage a basic refund system, either that, or were barefaced lying about the 'complexities' around it while investing short term all their customers fares and didn't want to refund them and invoked early termination penalties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Well first of all you would jump in line before the vulnerable who really need it first?
    Second countries can only get whatever the companies can make and deliver in its contracts. Do you think little Ireland on its own would have got a better deal?
    Third the vaccine does not stop you from getting it and passing it on to other people which brings me to my first point

    Whatever about the above, I know O'leary would have negotiated a much better contract with the suppliers and distributors than the disaster that's been the EU....need I say "Article 16".... Anyone in the private sector who authorized that would have lost their job!!


  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    So many ppl (family, friends, work contacts)have said to me they’ll be boycotting Ryanair for life after the despicable carry on of Ryanair over the last year.
    You keep pushing this. You are on record here of being anti Low-Cost Carriers on environmental grounds. I challenged you on it previously. You are not sincere. You don't want anyone using the services of LCCs, not just Ryanair. You resent that the great unwashed can afford to holiday somewhere where the sun shines at an affordable price.


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  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    I would love O Leary to be Minister for Health or head of HSE, he'd save Ireland billions.

    Yeah, by making clerical officers etc redundant and contracting out their gigs to folk on €10/hour.......... get rid of fnck loads of middle management etc etc etc.
    Anyone could do that but the sh1t storm would be unbelievable and the yellow vest brigade would be frothing at the mouth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    Amy evidence on your last point?

    Yes on the last point, transmission through contact carry is proven.

    Transmission from you breathing is not and unlikely to be - but that is as yet unconfirmed - after a vaccine


  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Aph2016


    Fantastic by O'Leary, RTE, Tony Holohan, and NPHET all deserve to be called out for the terrible jobs they have been doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    I would love O Leary to be Minister for Health or head of HSE, he'd save Ireland billions.

    Ha, don’t think so.

    He’d set a record for the number of all out strikes within his first week as minister. Can just imagine the attention seeking “sound bites” he’d be whittering on with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    I would love O Leary to be Minister for Health or head of HSE, he'd save Ireland billions.

    And kill millions


  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    Can you imagine the self pity and self indulgent warblings from O’Leary if he had a bad dose of covid.
    Is that you wishing ill upon someone?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Multipass wrote: »
    Probably not, but I feel better knowing that someone is fighting for it.

    Sk you are for supporting (maybe voting) people who make vague promises which you know they can't keep


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    Amy evidence on your last point?

    On the phone but as soon as I can I will get it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    So many ppl (family, friends, work contacts)have said to me they’ll be boycotting Ryanair for life after the despicable carry on of Ryanair over the last year.

    Multiple numbers of that will cotinue to use the service when things get back on track, but you and your buddies fire ahead and spend extra money if you want.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Ha, don’t think so.

    He’d set a record for the number of all out strikes within his first week as minister. Can just imagine the attention seeking “sound bites” he’d be whittering on with.

    So you'd prefer Donnelly and Reid to continue to preside over our hideously inefficient health system? Right...(I'm talking pre and post Covid here)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    What pandemic? It's a severe flu season. Masks do not work. Social distancing does not work. Lockdowns do not work. Hand santizer does not work. They only serve to destroy the economy society and the mental health of our people who are paralyzed by fear social isolation and despair. We need to open up immediately to save our country from total ruin.

    This is such obvious bull****.

    How the **** can you say not spitting droplets of saliva all over other people and staying 2 m away from them doesn't work? It'll stop the spread of lots of transmitted illnesses.

    Do you ever wash your hands? If so, why?

    Or are you under the impression you "just get sick" and there's nothing anyone can do to prevent it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Whatever about the above, I know O'leary would have negotiated a much better contract with the suppliers and distributors than the disaster that's been the EU....need I say "Article 16".... Anyone in the private sector who authorized that would have lost their job!!

    Article 16 was idiotic but you have read how we are now getting extra doses from them all of a sudden. Are you sure it was the EU's fault or all there fault


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's wrong with wearing masks and using alcohol gel in a pandemic? Genuine question.

    I think we should be using masks and sanitizer for all flu seasons going forward. Will keep infection and hospital numbers down. Just wish we’d thought of it years ago b


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    So many ppl (family, friends, work contacts)have said to me they’ll be boycotting Ryanair for life after the despicable carry on of Ryanair over the last year.

    They won't, heard this nonsense multiple times down through the years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    So you'd prefer Donnelly and Reid to continue to preside over our hideously inefficient health system? Right...(I'm talking pre and post Covid here)

    Not a fan of Donnelly or that clown Harris who preceded him but the idea of giving a ministerial position to “rent a gobsh1te” o Leary is beyond a joke.

    He’s great at the “tough sound bites”. Not so great at running a govt dept i would predict.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Is that you wishing ill upon someone?

    I wouldn’t wish covid on anyone but as a thought experiment Can you imagine the inane warblings from Mickey O Leary if he had it.

    Would be painful to listen to his scutter talk on it.

    No doubt he’d do a “intimate” interview with Barry Egan in the sindo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    You need to remember that the population of this country is largely ignorant, stupid and selfish at a fundamental level. If the messaging isn't clear that the virus is dangerous to themselves personally, the population will carry on to suit itself, harming the vulnerable in the process.

    Our then thick population will then turn around and blame government for not doing anything to protect these people.

    Tell lies and you will reap mistrust. Especially over the longer term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    If O'Leary was running the HSE then nurses, doctors etc would have to rent PPE and uniforms, patients would be charged more for sterilised utensils and you'd be woken up mid operation for the nurse to try and sell you some damn lottery tickets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭seasidedub


    In his most outspoken attack on NPHET yet O'Leary has gone to town on Dr Tony Holohan and his crew:

    Mr O’Leary said there “aren’t lots of young people getting sick and going to hospital” and said: “Part of this is due to Nphet miscommunication, their daily press conference trying to terrify the population. The reality is the UK will have everyone over 50 vaccinated by March, Ireland needs to catch up, hopefully by the end of June.

    “Nphet, and the Chief Medical Officer [Dr Tony Holohan] if he was doing his job properly, should be holding a daily press conference announcing how many people have been vaccinated, not issuing scare stories of numbers of people in hospital. He’s the CMO, he should be dealing with the vaccine as vaccination is the way out of this Covid crisis, not these failed lockdowns,” Mr O’Leary continued."

    https://www.independent.ie/news/ryanair-boss-michael-oleary-accuses-nphet-of-mass-hysteria-as-he-launches-tirade-against-health-chiefs-and-rte-40035305.html

    This is brilliant and a wake up call to the covidistas who have our country in s sinister grip for almost a year.

    More please!!!

    Let's take our country back!!!

    I'm a front line medic working 13 hour shifts in really uncomfortable ppe gear, not stupid cloth masks etc.

    Posts like this infuriate me. Covid is real, spreads like wildfire, symptoms are not consistent and neither is the outcome, depends on the individual responses of the patient.

    Younger people are spreaders, but as the virus mutates and replicates, which it will , they probably will get sicker.

    Natural immunity us built up over hundreds of years. The common cold wiped out many local groups in the Americas for example, as they had no immunity.

    We have to knock this on the head and buying into conspiracy theories is unhelpful.

    Letting people just die is fine, until its you....


  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Just listened to O'Leary on RTE. What a legend calling it as it is.....

    Fair play Mick. 100% correct about RTE, NPHET, EU slowness and government failure.

    People you all need to wake up......vaccinate the over 50's and vulnerable (although god knows how long this gonna take with the Irish government asleep at the wheel) and get on with life. If you are still freaking out and want to stay at home after the over 50's and vulnerable have been vaccinated knock yourself out.

    O'Leary has in the space of seven minutes told it as it is...... that RTE journo gonna need therapy, destroyed.


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