The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not the first time it happened. And it was down for two years, SF compromised, reached an agreement and that was reneged on when the belligerents in the DUP got wind of it. Same as they reneged on Theresa May's deal on Brexit.
Result - we are still where we where in 2006 in the context of rights agreed in 2002 ffs.

But both sides are the same...jesus, the lies you must have to tell yourself.

Always someone else's fault. This time "the belligerents in the DUP" are to blame. Other times it is the "evil British" or the Irish government. On here, it is the "partitionists" who get the blame.

You are quite correct, the two sides are not the same, the Sinn Fein side always avoid responsibility and blame someone else.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Always someone else's fault. This time "the belligerents in the DUP" are to blame. Other times it is the "evil British" or the Irish government. On here, it is the "partitionists" who get the blame.

You are quite correct, the two sides are not the same, the Sinn Fein side always avoid responsibility and blame someone else.

I have already said as recently as a few posts ago that both sides deserve criticism and bear responsibilities but not equal criticism.


So go ahead, point out what was wrong in this?

SF compromised, reached an agreement and that was reneged on when the belligerents in the DUP got wind of it. Same as they reneged on Theresa May's deal on Brexit.
Result - we are still where we where in 2006 in the context of rights agreed in 2002 ffs.

Fann Linn

Getting pathetic now. Defending the DUP who are in fact the main protagonists in all of this issue so as to have a swipe at SF. Sad really.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have already said as recently as a few posts ago that both sides deserve criticism and bear responsibilities but not equal criticism.


So go ahead, point out what was wrong in this?

You really don't get it, do you?

There they are, in their rancid circle, duelling to death, blaming each other and everyone else, SF and the DUP, fighting the same old tired battles. You want to jump in and take sides, one particular side, and you want the rest of us to join you down in the mud, while we are standing back in horror, imploring those down in the mud to grow up a little, get with the modern century.

Look at what Leo said yesterday - "A new state designed together, a new constitution and one that reflects the diversity of a bi-national or multi-national state in which almost a million people are British."

And what he said about SF's vision for a united Ireland rings even truer - " We know the crude vision espoused by Sinn Féin, it’s not an inclusive one – a cold form of republicanism, socialist, narrow nationalism, protectionist, anti-British, euro-critical, ourselves alone, 50% plus one and nobody else is needed. That is not a 21st century vision."

If you truly are a person that supports a genuine unification of the people of this island, you will throw away your green-tinted SF-supporting glasses and embrace the new FG vision. Don't worry, you won't be joining me, I am not convinced; though the FG vision is better, I wonder if it is enough. However, if you want to stay down in the mud, snout to snout, and hoof to hoof with the DUP, stick with SF as the way forward.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

You really don't get it, do you?

There they are, in their rancid circle, duelling to death, blaming each other and everyone else, SF and the DUP, fighting the same old tired battles. You want to jump in and take sides, one particular side, and you want the rest of us to join you down in the mud, while we are standing back in horror, imploring those down in the mud to grow up a little, get with the modern century.

Look at what Leo said yesterday - "A new state designed together, a new constitution and one that reflects the diversity of a bi-national or multi-national state in which almost a million people are British."

And what he said about SF's vision for a united Ireland rings even truer - " We know the crude vision espoused by Sinn Féin, it’s not an inclusive one – a cold form of republicanism, socialist, narrow nationalism, protectionist, anti-British, euro-critical, ourselves alone, 50% plus one and nobody else is needed. That is not a 21st century vision."

If you truly are a person that supports a genuine unification of the people of this island, you will throw away your green-tinted SF-supporting glasses and embrace the new FG vision. Don't worry, you won't be joining me, I am not convinced; though the FG vision is better, I wonder if it is enough. However, if you want to stay down in the mud, snout to snout, and hoof to hoof with the DUP, stick with SF as the way forward.

So...can you point out what was factually wrong in my post:

SF compromised, reached an agreement and that was reneged on when the belligerents in the DUP got wind of it. Same as they reneged on Theresa May's deal on Brexit.
Result - we are still where we where in 2006 in the context of rights agreed in 2002 ffs.

Shebean

DUP are reneging on an agreement and SF are holding them to said agreement. This is all on the DUP. You can't let bullies win. No point in a government if the DUP can decide what happens or doesn't above agreements, the electorate or their representatives.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So...can you point out what was factually wrong in my post:

Same auld arse boxing going on as usual…..nothing changes.

They just punch their way through everything, despite the fact that about 1% might use the Irish language it’s a red line issue.

I’m sure there are similar issues from the Unionist side.

Nothing ever changes, the same auld warhorses are always there in the background .

As long as that crap on both sides continues that kip will always be what it is ….. a failed entity.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Same auld arse boxing going on as usual…..nothing changes.

They just punch their way through everything, despite the fact that about 1% might use the Irish language it’s a red line issue.

I’m sure there are similar issues from the Unionist side.

Nothing ever changes, the same auld warhorses are always there in the background .

As long as that crap on both sides continues that kip will always be what it is ….. a failed entity.

What 'similar issues' are being blocked Brendi?

Maybe you have never lived in a society that treated you as a 2nd class citizen and mocked and demeaned you just because of who you were.

If you had you might understand.

But anyway...go ahead...I have challenged you and blanch to point to similar rights being denied or agreements being broken for no other reason but bigotry and supremacism

I'll be waiting.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What 'similar issues' are being blocked Brendi?

Maybe you have never lived in a society that treated you as a 2nd class citizen and mocked and demeaned you just because of who you were.

If you had you might understand.

But anyway...go ahead...I have challenged you and blanch to point to similar rights being denied or agreements being broken for no other reason but bigotry and supremacism

I'll be waiting.

And you can keep waiting Francie, if you think I am going to start the dance on the head of a pin with you or your fellow travelers to prove the the kip is a non functional state because nobody will step back and accommodate anyone and is anything but laughable….. think again dude.

You can challenge all you like, I fully understand the history of the place but
Unless people wise up and start talking positively for the good of the total population, then nothing will change and the bitter and twisted department of both factions will ensure there will never be a fair and advantageous solution.

Go wallow in that swamp if you like dude….. I ain’t joining you

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

And you can keep waiting Francie, if you think I am going to start the dance on the head of a pin with you or your fellow travelers to prove the the kip is a non functional state because nobody will step back and accommodate anyone and is anything but laughable….. think again dude.

Again, this is just bullsht. You won't 'dance' because there is no way you can dance. Unionists rights are not being blocked by anyone.

You can challenge all you like, I fully understand the history of the place but
Unless people wise up and start talking positively for the good of the total population, then nothing will change and the bitter and twisted department of both factions will ensure there will never be a fair and advantageous solution.

Go wallow in that swamp if you like dude….. I ain’t joining you

You clearly don't 'understand'.

You cannot back up a word of what you say, just repeat generalisations and 'they are all the same' tropes.

Pathetic as usual.

It is no doubt a failed state and everyone, including us here in the south, bears some of the responsibility including SF.
But please stop making statements you patently cannot back up.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again, this is just bullsht. You won't 'dance' because there is no way you can dance. Unionists rights are not being blocked by anyone.



You clearly don't 'understand'.

You cannot back up a word of what you say, just repeat generalisations and 'they are all the same' tropes.

Pathetic as usual.

It is no doubt a failed state and everyone, including us here in the south, bears some of the responsibility including SF.
But please stop making statements you patently cannot back up.

I’m saying that place is a failed state unless both sides decide to discuss issues in an adult and accommodating way.

Have you a problem with that or do you need some “ back up” for that simple statement.

I’m not coming out to play, a chara , trying to dance on the head of a pin to amuse yourself duddnt butter no parsnips with this poster.

Saying it as it is buddy, not trying to kill a few weeks talking in circles.

Just sayin’………..

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I’m saying that place is a failed state unless both sides decide to discuss issues in an adult and accommodating way.

Have you a problem with that or do you need some “ back up” for that simple statement.

YES I do. This Act for instance was agreed several times in 'adult' negotiations and reneged on. As were agreements of other social and cultural rights.
Parades were negotiated on a adult basis yet we still have obscence displays on a scale that nobody else engages in.
Adult attempts to normalise the display of the flag were met with ONE community wrecking the place.
There is SIMPLY no comparison and BOTH sides are not the same.

I’m not coming out to play, a chara , trying to dance on the head of a pin to amuse yourself duddnt butter no parsnips with this poster.

Saying it as it is buddy, not trying to kill a few weeks talking in circles.

Just sayin’………..

Of course you are 'not coming out to play', you have nothing to play with but tropes and stereotypes.

Deal with the realities some day, Brendi.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

YES I do. This Act for instance was agreed several times in 'adult' negotiations and reneged on. As were agreements of other social and cultural rights.
Parades were negotiated on a adult basis yet we still have obscence displays on a scale that nobody else engages in.
Adult attempts to normalise the display of the flag were met with ONE community wrecking the place.
There is SIMPLY no comparison and BOTH sides are not the same.



Of course you are 'not coming out to play', you have nothing to play with but tropes and stereotypes.

Deal with the realities some day, Brendi.

You heard me, hombre.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You heard me, hombre.

So nothing to offer only tropes and stereotypes, in stereotypical edgy mid Atlantic speak. Okie doke, get you.

blanch152

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You heard me, hombre.

You need to be careful around here from now on.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/on-your-bike-cycling-accident-legal-firm-in-sinn-fein-challenge-to-trade-deal-40544617.html

Sinn Fein have started using an ambulance-chasing law firm so who knows who'll be sued next.

BackOfMyBag

blanch152 wrote: »

You need to be careful around here from now on.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/on-your-bike-cycling-accident-legal-firm-in-sinn-fein-challenge-to-trade-deal-40544617.html

Sinn Fein have started using an ambulance-chasing law firm so who knows who'll be sued next.

you had me all excited for a moment , when I read "ambulance chasing law firm" my immediate thought was , mmmm it's weird that madigans would represent sinn fein , but then it occurred to me that it sounded more like the kind of legal eagles that fellow farrell would use instead .

(surely there are actual legit reasons to go after sf than this barrel scraping hahaha) ?

Brendan Bendar

blanch152 wrote: »

You need to be careful around here from now on.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/on-your-bike-cycling-accident-legal-firm-in-sinn-fein-challenge-to-trade-deal-40544617.html

Sinn Fein have started using an ambulance-chasing law firm so who knows who'll be sued next.

Lynn just trying to get her name in the papers.

Trousered a lot of moolah on the back of others……..hmmmmm.

Nothing new for the Sinners, it has to be said…..:cool:

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

You need to be careful around here from now on.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/on-your-bike-cycling-accident-legal-firm-in-sinn-fein-challenge-to-trade-deal-40544617.html

Sinn Fein have started using an ambulance-chasing law firm so who knows who'll be sued next.

I didn't think the Indo could shock me anymore, but that is an extraordinary article really.

The way they have finished it is really sinister tbh.

Not surprised you have taken the ball and run a bit further with it, as the Indo intended, though.

Floppybits

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't think the Indo could shock me anymore, but that is an extraordinary article really.

The way they have finished it is really sinister tbh.

Not surprised you have taken the ball and run a bit further with it, as the Indo intended, though.

Hatred knows no bounds.

BackOfMyBag

Floppybits wrote: »

Hatred knows no bounds.

they seem to be playing right into sf hands with this kind of crap , people aren't stupid and can see an agenda .

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't think the Indo could shock me anymore, but that is an extraordinary article really.

The way they have finished it is really sinister tbh.

Not surprised you have taken the ball and run a bit further with it, as the Indo intended, though.

He heh……. Lot of flapping around these parts lately……

What can it be one wonders……chickens coming home to roost perhaps ?

Will Lynn achieve something off her own bat…… stay tuned for another exciting episode of ‘ Boylan Backs In’……:D

FrancieBrady

BackOfMyBag wrote: »

they seem to be playing right into sf hands with this kind of crap , people aren't stupid and can see an agenda .

Could it be any clearer than the last paragraph of that article?

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

He heh……. Lot of flapping around these parts lately……

What can it be one wonders……chickens coming home to roost perhaps ?

Will Lynn achieve something off her own bat…… stay tuned for another exciting episode of ‘ Boylan Backs In’……:D

'Flapping' - keeping talking when you have been caught out with nothing to back up your talk.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Flapping' - keeping talking when you have been caught out with nothing to back up your talk.

You are correct, my friend.

Common sense- that’s all I got, dude.

You got me bet into a cocked hat, for sure.


:D

Just keep on the way you are going, it’s a sure fire winner

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You are correct, my friend.

Common sense- that’s all I got, dude.

You got me bet into a cocked hat, for sure.


:D

Just keep on the way you are going, it’s a sure fire winner

Common sense? That's ignoring blatant facts Brendi. Hiding under a rock of glib waffle when caught out on details you don't and can't have because they don't exist in real life.

Just to remind you, can you name one right being denied to Unionists by Nationalists?

Fann Linn

Just breaking now British Govt will enact Irish Act and SF have nominated Michelle O Neill as joint minister.

FrancieBrady

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just breaking now British Govt will enact Irish Act and SF have nominated Michelle O Neill as joint minister.

Nolan will be fun tomorrow.

Fann Linn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nolan will be fun tomorrow.

Never thought of that!!

FrancieBrady

Congratulations in order to SF on Acht na Gaeilge. Disgraceful that they had to yet again snooker the British and the DUP on it.

It will be interesting to see if the British live up to it by September but grist to who's mill will it be if they go back on their word?

padd b1975

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just breaking now British Govt will enact Irish Act and SF have nominated Michelle O Neill as joint minister.

Jaysus, Shinners running crying to Westminster!!!

For what died the son's of Róisín???