FrancieBrady wrote: » 'Flapping' - keeping talking when you have been caught out with nothing to back up your talk.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » He heh……. Lot of flapping around these parts lately…… What can it be one wonders……chickens coming home to roost perhaps ? Will Lynn achieve something off her own bat…… stay tuned for another exciting episode of ‘ Boylan Backs In’……:D
BackOfMyBag wrote: » they seem to be playing right into sf hands with this kind of crap , people aren't stupid and can see an agenda .
FrancieBrady wrote: » I didn't think the Indo could shock me anymore, but that is an extraordinary article really. The way they have finished it is really sinister tbh. Not surprised you have taken the ball and run a bit further with it, as the Indo intended, though.
Floppybits wrote: » Hatred knows no bounds.
blanch152 wrote: » You need to be careful around here from now on.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/on-your-bike-cycling-accident-legal-firm-in-sinn-fein-challenge-to-trade-deal-40544617.html Sinn Fein have started using an ambulance-chasing law firm so who knows who'll be sued next.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » You heard me, hombre.
FrancieBrady wrote: » YES I do. This Act for instance was agreed several times in 'adult' negotiations and reneged on. As were agreements of other social and cultural rights. Parades were negotiated on a adult basis yet we still have obscence displays on a scale that nobody else engages in. Adult attempts to normalise the display of the flag were met with ONE community wrecking the place. There is SIMPLY no comparison and BOTH sides are not the same. Of course you are 'not coming out to play', you have nothing to play with but tropes and stereotypes. Deal with the realities some day, Brendi.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » I’m saying that place is a failed state unless both sides decide to discuss issues in an adult and accommodating way. Have you a problem with that or do you need some “ back up” for that simple statement.
I’m not coming out to play, a chara , trying to dance on the head of a pin to amuse yourself duddnt butter no parsnips with this poster. Saying it as it is buddy, not trying to kill a few weeks talking in circles. Just sayin’………..
FrancieBrady wrote: » Again, this is just bullsht. You won't 'dance' because there is no way you can dance. Unionists rights are not being blocked by anyone. You clearly don't 'understand'. You cannot back up a word of what you say, just repeat generalisations and 'they are all the same' tropes. Pathetic as usual. It is no doubt a failed state and everyone, including us here in the south, bears some of the responsibility including SF. But please stop making statements you patently cannot back up.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » And you can keep waiting Francie, if you think I am going to start the dance on the head of a pin with you or your fellow travelers to prove the the kip is a non functional state because nobody will step back and accommodate anyone and is anything but laughable….. think again dude.
You can challenge all you like, I fully understand the history of the place but Unless people wise up and start talking positively for the good of the total population, then nothing will change and the bitter and twisted department of both factions will ensure there will never be a fair and advantageous solution. Go wallow in that swamp if you like dude….. I ain’t joining you
FrancieBrady wrote: » What 'similar issues' are being blocked Brendi? Maybe you have never lived in a society that treated you as a 2nd class citizen and mocked and demeaned you just because of who you were. If you had you might understand. But anyway...go ahead...I have challenged you and blanch to point to similar rights being denied or agreements being broken for no other reason but bigotry and supremacism I'll be waiting.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Same auld arse boxing going on as usual…..nothing changes. They just punch their way through everything, despite the fact that about 1% might use the Irish language it’s a red line issue. I’m sure there are similar issues from the Unionist side. Nothing ever changes, the same auld warhorses are always there in the background . As long as that crap on both sides continues that kip will always be what it is ….. a failed entity.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So...can you point out what was factually wrong in my post:
blanch152 wrote: » You really don't get it, do you? There they are, in their rancid circle, duelling to death, blaming each other and everyone else, SF and the DUP, fighting the same old tired battles. You want to jump in and take sides, one particular side, and you want the rest of us to join you down in the mud, while we are standing back in horror, imploring those down in the mud to grow up a little, get with the modern century. Look at what Leo said yesterday - "A new state designed together, a new constitution and one that reflects the diversity of a bi-national or multi-national state in which almost a million people are British." And what he said about SF's vision for a united Ireland rings even truer - " We know the crude vision espoused by Sinn Féin, it’s not an inclusive one – a cold form of republicanism, socialist, narrow nationalism, protectionist, anti-British, euro-critical, ourselves alone, 50% plus one and nobody else is needed. That is not a 21st century vision." If you truly are a person that supports a genuine unification of the people of this island, you will throw away your green-tinted SF-supporting glasses and embrace the new FG vision. Don't worry, you won't be joining me, I am not convinced; though the FG vision is better, I wonder if it is enough. However, if you want to stay down in the mud, snout to snout, and hoof to hoof with the DUP, stick with SF as the way forward.
SF compromised, reached an agreement and that was reneged on when the belligerents in the DUP got wind of it. Same as they reneged on Theresa May's deal on Brexit. Result - we are still where we where in 2006 in the context of rights agreed in 2002 ffs.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I have already said as recently as a few posts ago that both sides deserve criticism and bear responsibilities but not equal criticism. So go ahead, point out what was wrong in this?
blanch152 wrote: » Always someone else's fault. This time "the belligerents in the DUP" are to blame. Other times it is the "evil British" or the Irish government. On here, it is the "partitionists" who get the blame. You are quite correct, the two sides are not the same, the Sinn Fein side always avoid responsibility and blame someone else.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Not the first time it happened. And it was down for two years, SF compromised, reached an agreement and that was reneged on when the belligerents in the DUP got wind of it. Same as they reneged on Theresa May's deal on Brexit. Result - we are still where we where in 2006 in the context of rights agreed in 2002 ffs. But both sides are the same...jesus, the lies you must have to tell yourself.
Bishop of hope wrote: » They collapsed the executive for three years Francie.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nonsense from the get go Bish. SF compromised on the language act, made an agreement and the belligerents in the DUP pulled the plug on it, yet again. Please come to the debate properly informed. Rubbish again, when you look at what nationalists have done since the GFA. They block no rights, have never refused to engage, have swallowed hard and met the monarch. etc etc etc. There is no similar foot dragging.
blanch152 wrote: » People who fail always have an external reason for their failure. Northern Ireland, no more than Northern Macedonia or any other country, is not doomed to failure just by existing, it is the failure of those in leadership - DUP and SF - that cause the problems.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The SDLP have asked SF to collapse the executive before and the UUP have asked the DUP to do it. You do realise this? The unwillingness of the two guarantors to take appropriate action when a failed statelet fails again is the main issue. The ills caused by partition were never going to be cured overnight. Don't cod yourself that the UUP and SDLP would have been any different.
Bishop of hope wrote: » There's no serving both sides here Francie, neither is satisfied with anything that might give any succour to the other.
They are still poles apart and will remain so. It doesn't matter what the two govts agree or even impliment, if its seen as a concession to nationalists the unionists won't have it and vice versa.
Mostly its made up of agreements that are concessions to one side or the other. That is something Nationalists are happy with or unionists are happy with agreed with both govts. Not much common ground that both nationalists, unionists and both govts are in complete agreement with.
So imo its up to the two main party's in the exec to sit down and thrash these things out and move them forward. Reaity is that both are so entrenched in their differences that its nigh on impossible to do so. So to hide their shame on the fact that t they are so belligerent, bordering on if not actually hatred of each other, they both try to blame the two govts for their own abject failures.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So when an agreement was made and reneged on after two years the last time the Executive collapsed and we had to wait another year before ANOTHER agreement was made, how was it the 'two' belligerent parties that were at fault? Similarly, how is the 'two' parties fault that that agreement is STILL not implemented? Do explain for once Bish how you are making any semblance of sense here?
