When will it all end?

Thespoofer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I said last year you're looking at restrictions through most of 2021, with levels 3-5 (and lockdowns) until there's 70-80% of the population vaccinated. Others were saying we'd be back in pubs at this stage. Not a chance.

Bill Gates is generally right on the money in regards to how things have played out. Forget conspiracy theories and the like, but based on what he's said recently, you're looking at more of the same for most of the year. He cited the 70-80% compliance figure last year, and also mentioned a third shot will be required to cover some of the newer variants/mutations.

Therefore, my opinion is that we'll see restrictions and lockdowns until we reach that 70-80% figure. That'll take most of the year, possibly carrying over into next year, depending on uptake/supply.

I don't think there'll be any concerts, nightclubs etc in 2021. Based on the very conservative approach our government have taken, I just cannot see them allow hundreds/thousands of people packing into venues. They're already talking about social distancing and masking continuing regardless, so I think the above is all off the table.

Thanks. Just knowing there will be an end to it regardless of the length of time helps.

El_Duderino 09

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

There will still be cases and deaths and this will be used to continue restrictions and lockdowns.

A large portion of society will continue to wear masks use sanitizer and stay at home for the rest of their lives.

They will also demand that everyone else does.

Maybe. But i suspect this is masochistic nonsense.

For anyone who is interested, the charge of being a doom and gloom monger, has been thrown around a lot recently. The post above is an actual example of a doom and gloom outlook. There has been a lot of solid, realistic good news this week and this poster above is spouting, self pitying, doom and gloom.

Thespoofer

Thespoofer wrote: »

Thanks. Just knowing there will be an end to it regardless of the length of time helps.

An "end" to current restrictions is inevitable, as it is simply unsustainable to continue past 2021 with lockdowns and large suppression of the economy. Regardless of cases, deaths etc. The question with our current situation is how much long-term economic damage will be done between now and that point.

"Worst case scenario" is something much more deadly comes along in the next decade. At the same time, I'd say try to worry as little as possible. Occupy yourself and stay busy. Don't be reading never-ending bad news on the likes of RTE. It's the equivalent of emotional self-harm to some.

Tazz T

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can I ask a question, if we have a few dozen cases a day, are we still considering that a pandemic?

No doubt, it will be called that to justify excessive restrictions, along with any rise in cases, even in double digits will be classified a 'new wave'.

A bit like how recently all the papers were predicting the Beast From The East: The Sequel for weeks. And we woke up one morning to a light layer of snow that disappeared an hour later.

OwenM

Gestureapo wrote: »

If NPHET was in charge of road safety

They'd change the speed limit to 20mph overnite and wipe out road traffic deaths

And you'd still have to wear a mask under your helmet inside your car..... The next bend is crucial

Ginger n Lemon

Weather is gorgeous outside.

seriously how can any1 looking out the window think "yes restrictions should continue for another 6 months, better safe than sorry, maybe Zimbabwean variant could be dangerous we dont know, need more data, stay at home for now"

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Weather is gorgeous outside.

seriously how can any1 looking out the window think "yes restrictions should continue for another 6 months, better safe than sorry, maybe Zimbabwean variant could be dangerous we dont know, need more data, stay at home for now"

Imagine basing restrictions on what the weather is like.

hynesie08

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Weather is gorgeous outside.

seriously how can any1 looking out the window think "yes restrictions should continue for another 6 months, better safe than sorry, maybe Zimbabwean variant could be dangerous we dont know, need more data, stay at home for now"

What part of the country are you in? Because the weather is painfully average here in Dublin?

El_Duderino 09

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Weather is gorgeous outside.

seriously how can any1 looking out the window think "yes restrictions should continue for another 6 months, better safe than sorry, maybe Zimbabwean variant could be dangerous we dont know, need more data, stay at home for now"

Who is talking about the Zimbabwean variant?

radharc

hynesie08 wrote: »

On the same day 1500 people got their first dose and 6500 got their second dose........

On the same day 365,000 people in the UK got their first dose ...

Penfailed

radharc wrote: »

On the same day 365,000 people in the UK got their first dose ...

...and they'll be waiting a while before they're fully vaccinated.

El_Duderino 09

radharc wrote: »

On the same day 365,000 people in the UK got their first dose ...

Yeah the UK is doing great. Miles ahead of almost everywhere in the world.

The post above was in response to a fairly misleading piece of info on the the number of people getting the vaccine on that day.

PTH2009

New slogan will be 'the one last push to get rid of covid' which will keep us in level 4/5 for the next 6 months

Even with the news we might have 1 Million vaccines a word (Leo said it so take it with a grain of salt) its still all doom and gloom

hynesie08

radharc wrote: »

On the same day 365,000 people in the UK got their first dose ...

Jaysus, they were doing 500k+ a day last week...... Heads should roll, not good enough, glacial rollout etc.

El_Duderino 09

PTH2009 wrote: »

New slogan will be 'the one last push to get rid of covid' which will keep us in level 4/5 for the next 6 months

Even with the news we might have 1 Million vaccines a word (Leo said it so take it with a grain of salt) its still all doom and gloom

You are doom and gloom. Made up slogans, made up scenarios, and rubbishing genuinely good news. You are doom and gloom.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

New slogan will be 'the one last push to get rid of covid' which will keep us in level 4/5 for the next 6 months

Even with the news we might have 1 Million vaccines a word (Leo said it so take it with a grain of salt) its still all doom and gloom

Only for people like you who thrive on the misery.

I'm positively giddy with the news that over 1.2 million Irish people should have a vaccine shot in their arm by the end of March, with our elderly and most vulnerable fully vaccinated.......

El_Duderino 09

hynesie08 wrote: »

Only for people like you who thrive on the misery.

I'm positively giddy with the news that over 1.2 million Irish people should have a vaccine shot in their arm by the end of March, with our elderly and most vulnerable fully vaccinated.......

That was great new. I haven't see the bit about 1.2m vaccinated by the end or march, but the news about the vaccine supply increase is excellent. The doom and gloom merchants are clear to see. Making up bad news stories to whip each other up into a lather, inventing scenarios where people stay indoors for the rest of their lives. It's sad to see this is how they react to genuinely good news.

Ginger n Lemon

hynesie08 wrote: »

Only for people like you who thrive on the misery.

I'm positively giddy with the news that over 1.2 million Irish people should have a vaccine shot in their arm by the end of March, with our elderly and most vulnerable fully vaccinated.......

Very giddy here too. We should probably re open on 1st of April if 1.2m prediction comes through - what do you think?

Or maybe another few months in L4/5 just to be on the safe side? :pac:

CalamariFritti

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maybe. But i suspect this is masochistic nonsense.

For anyone who is interested, the charge of being a doom and gloom monger, has been thrown around a lot recently. The post above is an actual example of a doom and gloom outlook. There has been a lot of solid, realistic good news this week and this poster above is spouting, self pitying, doom and gloom.

I dont know. It is a pessimistic prediction but its hardly off the charts pessimistic . I think this is a real worry. Its not like we dont have history on over-the-top and hysteria.

CalamariFritti

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very giddy here too. We should probably re open on 1st of April if 1.2m prediction comes through - what do you think?

Or maybe another few months in L4/5 just to be on the safe side? :pac:

I just heard we will totally open up on April 1st. But dont tell anyone, its supposed to be a big surprise on the day.

Charles Babbage

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That was great new. I haven't see the bit about 1.2m vaccinated by the end or march, but the news about the vaccine supply increase is excellent. The doom and gloom merchants are clear to see. Making up bad news stories to whip each other up into a lather, inventing scenarios where people stay indoors for the rest of their lives. It's sad to see this is how they react to genuinely good news.

I think this is 1.2m doses rather than people so something like 500,000 with both doses and another 200,000 with one dose. The good news is that it will probably only take 6 weeks to do that number again and then every month after that. There is a temptation to impatience but loads of vaccines are on their way.

El_Duderino 09

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I dont know. It is a pessimistic prediction but its hardly off the charts pessimistic . I think this is a real worry. Its not like we dont have history on over-the-top and hysteria.

Just to confirm, you think it’s likely “they” will continue with lockdowns and people will stay indoors for the rest of their lives and they will demand other people stay indoors for the rest of their lives? That’s a realistic scenario in your opinion?

I get that some people have just copped on that the whole things won’t end in the next few months. I understand that some people have blocked out or ridiculed any news they didn’t want to hear about how the process of getting back to
normal would take all of this year. But I don’t understand then hysteria around all these doom and gloom predictions.

Is it like the stages of grief? Denial comes before anger and later comes self pity. Because I’ve see these things on display in this thread in the last couple of weeks.

Some people are really only realising that the pandemic won’t end in the next few months and they feel robbed. Instead of questioning the news they’ve been getting (or the way they’ve blocked out the more realistic news) they are lashing out. Last week anyone who posted the Leo Irish Times interview was accused of “doom and gloom” by the people who had been in denial about how long it would take to lift restrictions. And this week we have the same posters posting nonsenses and catastrophising about being in lockdown for the rest of our lives.

I suppose it takes people different time to process the news. Only accepting news you want to believe is a big problem and slows the whole process down.

josip

Charles Babbage wrote: »

I think this is 1.2m doses rather than people so something like 500,000 with both doses and another 200,000 with one dose. The good news is that it will probably only take 6 weeks to do that number again and then every month after that. There is a temptation to impatience but loads of vaccines are on their way.

I suppose the plan is that for every week we can be kept at Level 5 now, it's an extra week that we can go nuts during the summer.

This will be Tony and the rest of NPHET come June, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nol5l7YDOJc&t=20s

hynesie08

Charles Babbage wrote: »

I think this is 1.2m doses rather than people so something like 500,000 with both doses and another 200,000 with one dose. The good news is that it will probably only take 6 weeks to do that number again and then every month after that. There is a temptation to impatience but loads of vaccines are on their way.

Yeah, you're right, it'll be half a million fully vaccinated give or take and 450k with the first dose of az......

Still good news.

Bit cynical

I think we need to pick up the pace a bit on vaccinations here in Ireland (or rather the EU since we are dependent on them for our vaccines).

Countries that are doing better than the EU on doses per 100K: Israel, UAE, UK, US, Bahrain, Serbia, Chile, Morocco, Switzerland, Turkey.



I have excluded some small island nations in the list.

PTH2009

josip wrote: »

I suppose the plan is that for every week we can be kept at Level 5 now, it's an extra week we can go nuts during the summer.

This will be Tony and the rest of NPHET come June, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nol5l7YDOJc&t=20s

Have the mental image of Dr tony doing that now ha

CalamariFritti

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Just to confirm, you think it’s likely “they” will continue with lockdowns and people will stay indoors for the rest of their lives and they will demand other people stay indoors for the rest of their lives? That’s a realistic scenario in your opinion?

I get that some people have just copped on that the whole things won’t end in the next few months. I understand that some people have blocked out or ridiculed any news they didn’t want to hear about how the process of getting back to normal would take all of this year. But I don’t understand then hysteria around all these doom and gloom predictions.

Is it like the stages of grief? Denial comes before anger and later comes self pity. Because I’ve see these things on display in this thread in the last couple of weeks.

Some people are really only realising that the pandemic won’t end in the next few months and they feel robbed. Instead of questioning the news they’ve been getting (or the way they’ve blocked out the more realistic news) they are lashing out. Last week anyone who posted the Leo Irish Times interview was accused of “doom and gloom” by the people who had been in denial about how long it would take to lift restrictions. And this week we have the same posters posting nonsenses and catastrophising about being in lockdown for the rest of our lives.

I suppose it takes people different time to process the news. Only accepting news you want to believe is a big problem and slows the whole process down.

I think you're a bit over the top here. You're running off on a massive tangent about people and their believes and their inability to process bad news and whatnot.

It is a worry that some of the restrictions will hang around, yes, like masks for example. People have been talked into fear for a whole year. Not everyone will be able to let go. And then there is the health and safety brigade and the sh1t scared of any liability brigade.

I dont know. I'm not saying people will want to be in lockdown forever. But you know twenty years after 911 we still have to take our shoes off in the airport. People in the industry call it the 'security theatre'. Not that its that big a deal to take shoes off for a moment but what I mean is we have history of hanging on to bullsh1t.

El_Duderino 09

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I think you're a bit over the top here. You're running off on a massive tangent about people and their believes and their inability to process bad news and whatnot.

It is a worry that some of the restrictions will hang around, yes, like masks for example. People have been talked into fear for a whole year. Not everyone will be able to let go. And then there is the health and safety brigade and the sh1t scared of any liability brigade.

I dont know. I'm not saying people will want to be in lockdown forever. But you know twenty years after 911 we still have to take our shoes off in the airport. People in the industry call it the 'security theatre'. Not that its that big a deal to take shoes off for a moment but what I mean is we have history of hanging on to bullsh1t.

So just to confirm, you think the poster who said that people will stay inside for the rest of their lies and demand that others also stay inside for the rest of their lives, was reasonable, and I was over the top?

CalamariFritti

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So just to confirm, you think the poster who said that people will stay inside for the rest of their lies and demand that others also stay inside for the rest of their lives, was reasonable, and I was over the top?

I think the OP used a bit of rhetoric hyperbole and you picked on the one thing (stay at home forever) that stands out.

But he's not wrong that some people will find it hard to let go with masks and super sanitising their lives and being mega cautious with anything that involves other people. And some will try to draw new lines. Like demanding vaccine passports to get onto a plane or into a match or concert. I dont think the OP has this completely wrong.

Samsonsmasher

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

There will still be cases and deaths and this will be used to continue restrictions and lockdowns.

A large portion of society will continue to wear masks use sanitizer and stay at home for the rest of their lives.

They will also demand that everyone else does.

You really need to change your attitude, I would suggest that you are making yourself feel a lot worse than you have to.
Probably depressing a whole pile of posters on here also with your completely over the top negative view.
Try to look forward, things will improve