COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Micky 32

iguana wrote: »

My son had Mono (Glandular Fever) last year. I most likely had Covid in March, followed by "long Covid." I felt there was a huge similarity in how symptoms lingered and how we both suffered relapses after being active. I was worse in a lot of ways, but glandular fever's post-viral syndromes aren't as hard on a child's body as it can be on an adult's.

I remember having glandular fever when i was 30. I felt absolutely awful for a good while afterwards, really lingered on.

Bubbaclaus

Is it still the case that The Netherlands aren't starting vaccinations until 8 January?

Water John

Third vaccine (Oxford) will be approved in the UK on the 4th Jan:
https://www.thejournal.ie/astrazeneca-covid-19-winning-formula-5311566-Dec2020/

ShineOn7

Water John wrote: »

Third vaccine (Oxford) will be approved in the UK on the 4th Jan:
https://www.thejournal.ie/astrazeneca-covid-19-winning-formula-5311566-Dec2020/

Amazing

All I've read about Oxford says it'll be the main game changer

Any timeline for the EU approval?

billyhead

Do these vaccines work on the new strain?

ShineOn7

billyhead wrote: »

Do these vaccines work on the new strain?

Yes.

Yes.

A thousand times yes

There's been an estimated 4,000 different strains/variants of Covid since March. The vaccine's technology is built to work on all current and future strains

Water John

billyhead wrote: »

Do these vaccines work on the new strain?

Not sure if 'strain' is the correct term. It's a mutation, a different Coronavirus would be a different strain. But as afar as they know, vaccines will work on the different mutations that are out there. I think they've said there is 4,000 various mutations, the UK version is just one.
For example the virus in Cork/Kerry is not the same as the rest of the country.

Sardonicat

Are all non Nursing Home resident over 60s expected to get themselves to a GP for the vaccination?

Happydays2020

Water John wrote: »

Not sure if 'strain' is the correct term. It's a mutation, a different Coronavirus would be a different strain. But as afar as they know, vaccines will work on the different mutations that are out there. I think they've said there is 4,000 various mutations, the UK version is just one.
For example the virus in Cork/Kerry is not the same as the rest of the country.

The cork/Kerry one is less effective than the Dublin one. At least if GAA was the barometer.

WoollyRedHat

For the vaccine rollout, what kind of numbers can we hope to be able to vaccinate by February, presuming we have three vaccine supply lines to choose from, on a monthly basis?

Water John

I would expect March to be the, ramp up month.
The Moderna and Oxford vaccines will allow easier roll out. If they are available in early Feb then that would make things happen earlier.

ShineOn7

Latest from John

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWWrVLMX4g

Pascal Soriot of Oxford

Trials will show vaccine efficacy equal to Pfizer-BioNTech at 95% and Moderna at 94.5%.

We think we have figured out the winning formula and how to get efficacy that, after two doses, is up there with everybody else

NIMAN

I just heard on the news that they hope to have all the most vulnerable in care homes etc vaccinated by the end of Feb.

Now, there has to be a 3 week gap between the 2 doses.

I don't see why they can't all be vaccinated by the end of Jan.

Hopefully our gov doesn't make a hames of this process and take forever to roll it all out .

WoollyRedHat

Water John wrote: »

I would expect March to be the, ramp up month.
The Moderna and Oxford vaccines will allow easier roll out. If they are available in early Feb then that would make things happen earlier.

Thanks do you know how many people we can hope to be able to vaccinate weekly by March?

WoollyRedHat

NIMAN wrote: »

I just heard on the news that they hope to have all the most vulnerable in care homes etc vaccinated by the end of Feb.

Now, there has to be a 3 week gap between the 2 doses.

I don't see why they can't all be vaccinated by the end of Jan.

Hopefully our gov doesn't make a hames of this process and take forever to roll it all out .

I think it's to do with availability of dosages.

stephenjmcd

NIMAN wrote: »

I just heard on the news that they hope to have all the most vulnerable in care homes etc vaccinated by the end of Feb.

Now, there has to be a 3 week gap between the 2 doses.

I don't see why they can't all be vaccinated by the end of Jan.

Hopefully our gov doesn't make a hames of this process and take forever to roll it all out .

How ? With 3 weeks between doses you wouldn't get them all done in January.

Some care homes will get the first dose week beginning 25th Jan as part of the final week of the first phase of rollout by community vacination teams which means 2nd dose week beginning 15th Feb.

Thats all staff and residents in those settings

NIMAN

stephenjmcd wrote: »

How ? With 3 weeks between doses you wouldn't get them all done in January.

Some care homes will get the first dose week beginning 25th Jan as part of the final week of the first phase of rollout by community vacination teams which means 2nd dose week beginning 15th Feb.

Thats all staff and residents in those settings

Some aren't getting the 1st dose til 25th Jan!

I thought this was meant to be the most important thing this country had to do this year. It should be the top priority.

I also heard the other day that all eu countries would do their first vaccinations on the same day as a sign of solidarity.

I seen rte news showing German, Spanish, Italian old folk getting injections. Ours are starting in 3 days, why?

stephenjmcd

NIMAN wrote: »

Some aren't getting the 1st dose til 25th Jan!

I thought this was meant to be the most important thing this country had to do this year. It should be the top priority.

I also heard the other day that all eu countries would do their first vaccinations on the same day as a sign of solidarity.

I seen rte news showing German, Spanish, Italian old folk getting injections. Ours are starting in 3 days, why?

Heres the full list, this was all released the other day. Its a 6 week sweep, residents and staff

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/revealed-when-every-care-home-in-the-country-will-get-their-supply-of-covid-19-vaccine-39899564.html

hynesie08

NIMAN wrote: »

Some aren't getting the 1st dose til 25th Jan!

I thought this was meant to be the most important thing this country had to do this year. It should be the top priority.

It's a vaccine not water, we give as many doses as we have....

I also heard the other day that all eu countries would do their first vaccinations on the same day as a sign of solidarity.

I seen rte news showing German, Spanish, Italian old folk getting injections. Ours are starting in 3 days, why?

You heard wrong, Germany went early, Netherlands won't vaccinate anyone for 2 weeks, about half the EU countries administered vaccines today.....

iamwhoiam

NIMAN wrote: »

Some aren't getting the 1st dose til 25th Jan!

I thought this was meant to be the most important thing this country had to do this year. It should be the top priority.

I also heard the other day that all eu countries would do their first vaccinations on the same day as a sign of solidarity.

I seen rte news showing German, Spanish, Italian old folk getting injections. Ours are starting in 3 days, why?

Did you read that parts of Germany had to dump some vials due to refrigeration issues ? No one is perfect

hynesie08

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Because the HSE and government can only act reactively, they don't know how to be proactive.

How do you propose proactivity? An oceans 11 style heist where we steal Pfizer and Oxfords labs?

Happydays2020

hynesie08 wrote: »

It's a vaccine not water, we give as many doses as we have....



You heard wrong, Germany went early, Netherlands won't vaccinate anyone for 2 weeks, about half the EU countries administered vaccines today.....

Germany did not go early. Plan was for 27-29th to be the days for first vaccinations. Hungary broke the plan by going yesterday. Ireland wanted to be last for some reasons.

NIMAN

UK has 600,000 Done already and we don't start for 3 days despite having doses.

hynesie08

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Germany did not go early. Plan was for 27-29th to be the days for first vaccinations. Hungary broke the plan by going yesterday. Ireland wanted to be last for some reasons.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1226/1186491-coronavirus-europe-vaccine/

If we wanted to be last, we wouldn't vaccinate till the 9th.....

WoollyRedHat

hynesie08 wrote: »

How do you propose proactivity? An oceans 11 style heist where we steal Pfizer and Oxfords labs?

I hope that movie gets made, would be good with a Oceans, Mission Impossible , Catch me if you can vibe.

Irish Stones

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Did you read that parts of Germany had to dump some vials due to refrigeration issues ? No one is perfect

This is why they realized the issue.
What if some other country doesn't realize?
As I said above, those cardboard boxes of vials traveled 2 days in an FRCX van, the same van used to transport ice-creams. I know that dry ice might have been used, but does dry ice survive two days in a foam case?

Why didn't Pfizer use more efficient means of transport? Why did it take that long to travel 1,000 miles?

hmmm

Irish Stones wrote: »

This is why they realized the issue.
What if some other country doesn't realize?
As I said above, those cardboard boxes of vials traveled 2 days in an FRCX van, the same van used to transport ice-creams. I know that dry ice might have been used, but does dry ice survive two days in a foam case?

Will you please do some research yourself before posting this nonsense.

The Pfizer doses are in specialist containers and temperature tracked throughout the chain. They are using specialist transport contractors with experience of delivering medical-grade products (not an "ice-cream van"). The people handling the boxes are instructed to refill the dry ice after 5 days, and the temperature tracking will detect any handling errors.

Irish Stones

hmmm wrote: »

The Pfizer doses are in specialist containers and temperature tracked throughout the chain. They are using specialist transport contractors with experience of delivering medical-grade products (not an "ice-cream van"). The people handling the boxes are instructed to refill the dry ice after 5 days, and the temperature tracking will detect any handling errors.

Well, maybe it is like you say, but it is true that the van that arrived here was a normal "frozen food van" with an FRCX certification.
Moreover, it took three times the time needed to cover that distance, like there were no hurry at all, though the company claims they do fast delivery of temperature controlled pharmaceutical products. Like I said, nearly 48 hours to travel 1,000 miles.
And what we saw was a few cardboard boxes with the foam cases inside. Nothing that looked like a professional transport.

mightyreds

Irish Stones wrote: »

This is why they realized the issue.
What if some other country doesn't realize?
As I said above, those cardboard boxes of vials traveled 2 days in an FRCX van, the same van used to transport ice-creams. I know that dry ice might have been used, but does dry ice survive two days in a foam case?

Why didn't Pfizer use more efficient means of transport? Why did it take that long to travel 1,000 miles?

I wish it was an ice cream van I'll have a 99, a choc ice and 1 vaccine.

obi604

Provided we have the vaccine and we get the hang of things. After a few weeks, roughly how many people a day could be vaccinated in Ireland?