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Level 5 lockdown essentially failed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    gral6 wrote: »
    Closing border in Belarus has nothing to do with Covid.

    Fair enough - but there's definitely an increase in restrictions there, and plenty of noise around suspect numbers. I really wouldn't be basing any comparisons against a country like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    They'll be shaking their heads again at us in January.

    There's a lot of shaking of heads these days and finger pointing but no great solutions.

    We are at a different stage to the rest of Europe. We probably had a shorter second wave than most. But our third wave will come in January before everyone elses. We'll have to lockdown again for another 6 weeks to get us to March 1st, then open up and lockdown again 1st April. We are likely to have at least four more 6 week lockdowns until enough people are vaccinated if Dr. Glynn and NPHET are correct about the trajectory changing in the summer.

    Personally I think the January lockdown should be the last, but I'm not in charge.

    I wouldn't be completely sure, I don't know if the lockdowns in europe will be adhered to at any kind of level that our Autumn one was as it's Christmas and everyone will consider themselves an exception to the rules. Honestly I think our premature lockdown was well timed for that reason, we're in a better position than most for the relaxed Christmas season behaviour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Tazz T wrote: »
    So when it's under 300 this evening, I'll be able to say 'so we are well on the road to my prediction, after a 25% fall in the infection rate in just one day'.

    See how that works?

    582 today.

    It's only going in way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The most important figure is the positivity rate. That is definitely going in the wrong direction.

    The rate of increase will most likely keep increasing until mitigation measures and a couple of weeks lag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    JazzyJ wrote: »
    Fair enough - but there's definitely an increase in restrictions there, and plenty of noise around suspect numbers. I really wouldn't be basing any comparisons against a country like that.

    I am from there. People in power don't care about citizens health.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,399 ✭✭✭arctictree


    I'm curious as to why the numbers came down in November before level 5 restrictions came into effect. Could there be just some sort of natural ceiling at around 1200 a day? And could we see that pattern repeat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭boege


    arctictree wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why the numbers came down in November before level 5 restrictions came into effect. Could there be just some sort of natural ceiling at around 1200 a day? And could we see that pattern repeat?

    I think this is an interesting question. The assumption seems to be that numbers don't change until government acts. However, I wonder do behaviours change as reported numbers grow. i.e. there is a section of the population that takes protective measures before government changes the rules. Certainly in my case the answer is yes, as numbers grow I become more cautious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,763 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    2 Classes in my Daughters primary school have been closed this week due to Covid, every kid in each class getting tested. I do think we are underestimating the impact of schools, yes kids are asymptomatic in the main, but they spread Covid the same as anyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭howareyakid


    Schools being open have had a big impact when compared to the first lockdown. I think the success of that lockdown will be tough to replicate, as the buy-in from people was there as it was so new and scary. And now that's not to say it's not scary now. But for the majority of people, particularly if they haven't had first hand experience of the virus, they've got used to it to a certain extent. That's my opinion. Thankfully, I haven't had first hand experience. And aside from closing non-essential shops, with the schools open, there isn't a huge difference between the Levels I don't think in terms of people's behaviours. The news in recent days about going back into so-called lockdown a few days after Christmas has been tough to swallow. I think everyone would have loved a few days over the Christmas where we could relax for a bit. But the virus doesn't relax, I know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,399 ✭✭✭arctictree


    boege wrote: »
    I think this is an interesting question. The assumption seems to be that numbers don't change until government acts. However, I wonder do behaviours change as reported numbers grow. i.e. there is a section of the population that takes protective measures before government changes the rules. Certainly in my case the answer is yes, as numbers grow I become more cautious.

    Well, its like how many are infected with the flu each week, and get tested? Maybe 1500 a week is the max we will hit, lockdown or not....


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  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This thing is here to stay and it won't be going anytime soon.

    Too many hard decisions need to be made at this stage but they won't

    be made. It's just a case of containment for the immediate future!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    JazzyJ wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong - I'm skeptical of the governments assertion that there's minimal transmission from schools - especially if its occurring significantly in other countries.

    But schools finishing up for the holidays won't impact the numbers until very late December/early January.

    That's correct. I fully expect a fall in numbers in January with another rise towards the end of the month. There is a similar blip in the charts two weeks after midterm. My point is Level 5 won't work (as in get us consistently below 200) unless it's involves schools, as it did in the first lockdown. So putting us in a level 5 again in January is just hammering the economy pointlessly. Do it with the schools closed and it will work. We will get to under 100 cases in just a couple of weeks.

    That said, analysing the charts at the moment, it looks like the third wave is going to hit a month earlier than expected. Not a bad thing as long as the hospital don't get overcrowded, as the whole thing will be over sooner, but probably a bit too early to affected by vaccinations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    arctictree wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why the numbers came down in November before level 5 restrictions came into effect. Could there be just some sort of natural ceiling at around 1200 a day? And could we see that pattern repeat?

    The second wave had already peaked. Numbers were falling anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    arctictree wrote: »
    I'm curious as to why the numbers came down in November before level 5 restrictions came into effect. Could there be just some sort of natural ceiling at around 1200 a day? And could we see that pattern repeat?


    It is not natural ceiling, we still have second wave which would probably start naturally declining somewhen in January. Cases started declining in November only because of artificial measures (AKA L3) and at any point things could go back in unwanted direction, and this is what we are observing now after restrictions were relaxed and hundreds of idiots rushed into public places with no essential need.



    But 1200 seem to be the ceiling for Irish medical system which started struggling or was close to that during the peak. If numbers would still grow further, capacity of hospitals would be exceeded and most likely we would be observing sharp jump in death rate. I expect if numbers will return to that level which is possible in few days given current dynamics, restrictions will be immediately tightened regardless of Christmas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    boege wrote: »
    I think this is an interesting question. The assumption seems to be that numbers don't change until government acts. However, I wonder do behaviours change as reported numbers grow. i.e. there is a section of the population that takes protective measures before government changes the rules. Certainly in my case the answer is yes, as numbers grow I become more cautious.

    I work in City centre. My boss considers it essential for my roll to be performed on site. I certainly felt that the foot traffic on Grafton Street was higher at the end of level 5 than the end of level 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,610 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I wouldn't be so sure about the schools being a big driver of this, yes there are clusters in some schools just like there are clusters in the community. I'm on the board of a primary school that has had not one single reported case yet. I would attribute that in no small part to the brilliant principal making sure that all the teachers and parents follow the guidelines, though obviously there is an element of luck too, long may it last. Even after the lock-downs ended she decided to keep all measures in place (mini pods of kids, no mixing etc etc) - less disruption for the kids and seems to be a sensible policy so far.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,300 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Supercell wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure about the schools being a big driver of this, yes there are clusters in some schools just like there are clusters in the community. I'm on the board of a primary school that has had not one single reported case yet. I would attribute that in no small part to the brilliant principal making sure that all the teachers and parents follow the guidelines, though obviously there is an element of luck too, long may it last. Even after the lock-downs ended she decided to keep all measures in place (mini pods of kids, no mixing etc etc) - less disruption for the kids and seems to be a sensible policy so far.

    Not one single case my hole. I would bet my house that if the HSE tested every kid in that school they would find numerous cases all asymptomatic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,509 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Not one single case my hole. I would bet my house that if the HSE tested every kid in that school they would find numerous cases all asymptomatic.

    I would.like to know what contact trace info says about schools.
    They'll never release that info though.

    Are many teachers getting COVID? Healthcare worker cases are easily available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    I will refer you to the best answer to your assertion on the other thread which you duly ignored

    764 now.

    Your post was complete wishful thinking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    I see you in a darkened room hovering over a candle alone laughing loudly to yourself


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,886 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Supercell wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure about the schools being a big driver of this, yes there are clusters in some schools just like there are clusters in the community. I'm on the board of a primary school that has had not one single reported case yet. I would attribute that in no small part to the brilliant principal making sure that all the teachers and parents follow the guidelines, though obviously there is an element of luck too, long may it last. Even after the lock-downs ended she decided to keep all measures in place (mini pods of kids, no mixing etc etc) - less disruption for the kids and seems to be a sensible policy so far.

    The "measures" in schools have absolutely nothing to do with the level of restrictions in the country.

    She didn't decide anything, she had no choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭u2me


    Level 5 was working the numbers were dropping again until we went back to level 3 and now they are rising again. It's not easy having restrictions but there is light at the end of the tunnel with the vaccines and were so close, it would be a shame to let it slip now after all the effort that was put in by people to keep the numbers low.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    Jerk knee reaction again again with banning travel with the UK. Are those in power going to get brain at some stage?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 55 ✭✭Dub81


    u2me wrote: »
    Level 5 was working the numbers were dropping again until we went back to level 3 and now they are rising again. It's not easy having restrictions but there is light at the end of the tunnel with the vaccines and were so close, it would be a shame to let it slip now after all the effort that was put in by people to keep the numbers low.

    Dont fool yourself it wasnt, lock downs simply do not work period, all lock downs do is put more people out of work and cause more anguish and misery and economic devastation , you know the saying the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,this is exactly what it's like with lock downs, we need to keep society open and learn to live alongside the virus until people start getting vaccinated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    Dub81 wrote: »
    Dont fool yourself it wasnt, lock downs simply do not work period, all lock downs do is put more people out of work and cause more anguish and misery and economic devastation , you know the saying the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,this is exactly what it's like with lock downs, we need to keep society open and learn to live alongside the virus until people start getting vaccinated.

    Can you name a single place on earth where "living alongside the virus" has worked?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Dub81 wrote: »
    Dont fool yourself it wasnt, lock downs simply do not work period, all lock downs do is put more people out of work and cause more anguish and misery and economic devastation , you know the saying the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,this is exactly what it's like with lock downs, we need to keep society open and learn to live alongside the virus until people start getting vaccinated.


    It not the lockdowns casuing the suges in cases, it's the reopenings.



    You know the saying :"the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".


    Close non-essential stuff down and leave it closed until we are in a good place with the vaccine rollout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It not the lockdowns casuing the suges in cases, it's the reopenings.



    You know the saying :"the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".


    Close non-essential stuff down and leave it closed until we are in a good place with the vaccine rollout.
    Hospitality is the only thing likely to be hit from now on. Martin has suggested shops will remain open.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭blackbox


    There's obviously a lot of people who don't give a toss...



    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1219/1185489-covid-breaches-gardai/

    They spoil everything for normal people.

    Obviously they only catch a small fraction of the offenders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Can you name a single place on earth where "living alongside the virus" has worked?

    Which was promised to us by the government?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 55 ✭✭Dub81


    It not the lockdowns casuing the suges in cases, it's the reopenings.



    You know the saying :"the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".


    Close non-essential stuff down and leave it closed until we are in a good place with the vaccine rollout.

    sure no problem and sit back and watch as more businesss close and more people lose their jobs and homes, and the ecomony weakens even further, and for what to get cases down only for them to go back up again, anyone who says lock downs work is very much deluded, they cause serious untold misery for so many people.


  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Supercell wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure about the schools being a big driver of this, yes there are clusters in some schools just like there are clusters in the community. I'm on the board of a primary school that has had not one single reported case yet. I would attribute that in no small part to the brilliant principal making sure that all the teachers and parents follow the guidelines, though obviously there is an element of luck too, long may it last. Even after the lock-downs ended she decided to keep all measures in place (mini pods of kids, no mixing etc etc) - less disruption for the kids and seems to be a sensible policy so far.

    My daughter's secondary school didn't have a single case either. A few weeks ago a girl in her class was crying because her mother, her father and two of her grandparents all had COVID. She was never tested. So I'd take that all with a very large grain of salt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,300 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Dub81 wrote: »
    sure no problem and sit back and watch as more businesss close and more people lose their jobs and homes, and the ecomony weakens even further, and for what to get cases down only for them to go back up again, anyone who says lock downs work is very much deluded, they cause serious untold misery for so many people.

    So what's your alternative plan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Dub81 wrote: »
    sure no problem and sit back and watch as more businesss close and more people lose their jobs and homes, and the ecomony weakens even further, and for what to get cases down only for them to go back up again, anyone who says lock downs work is very much deluded, they cause serious untold misery for so many people.

    The original lockdown worked, and if we went back to that same level of lockdown instead of this Ernst and Young designed system we would be having pints over Christmas. But we never got below 200 daily cases, so how was it ever going to work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    970 today.

    My prediction of 1000 per day by 1st Jan will be wrong. More like 2,500 a day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    Tazz T wrote: »
    I'll take that bet and raise you everything I own. There isn't a chance we'll be over 1000 in January.

    In fact, I believe we'll be well under 100. The two weeks the schools are out will be kicking in then, easily offsetting any increased infection spread due to socialising over xmas. Remember we're still still at Level 3.5.

    Our schools stats here are hidden within in-house transmission. In the UK, number one spreader is secondary schools by a large margin.

    Green list in January if not by then.

    This post aged well


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,494 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Dub81 wrote: »
    sure no problem and sit back and watch as more businesss close and more people lose their jobs and homes, and the ecomony weakens even further, and for what to get cases down only for them to go back up again, anyone who says lock downs work is very much deluded, they cause serious untold misery for so many people.

    I’ll happily do all the above if it means people are not loosing their lives.

    Untold misery ? No... hardship, difficulty certainly. Untold misery is people dying, friends, family, neighbors... misery is not loosing a job ffs... lots of people loose jobs...

    Lockdowns DO work. The statistics prove it, they have been posted here... If you want to counter that.. back it with your own numbers please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Dub81 wrote: »
    Dont fool yourself it wasnt, lock downs simply do not work period, all lock downs do is put more people out of work and cause more anguish and misery and economic devastation , you know the saying the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,this is exactly what it's like with lock downs, we need to keep society open and learn to live alongside the virus until people start getting vaccinated.

    "Living alongside the virus" is all well and good..... unless it kills you.

    Lockdowns DO work but they have to be implemented properly and everyone has to do their part.
    If you meet zero people tomorrow then that's zero people that you can pass the virus onto or they to you. If you meet 40 people tomorrow then that's 40 people that you could potentially infect or 40 that could potentially infect you. That's the theory behind a lockdown. The less you meet or interact with, the less the virus can spread.

    Unfortunately the effect of a lockdown has a massive economic effect and I genuinely feel for those affected economically by the lockdowns. I'm blessed in that I won't be out of work (bar illness myself) but I do sympathise with those that will. However, I think that a super strict lockdown for January and February,( which past the first week of January tend to be quiet months anyway), alongside the rollout of vaccinations can help us to break the back of it and give us something to look forward to coming into April / May. I'd prefer that to flip-flopping our way through the next six months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    970 today.

    My prediction of 1000 per day by 1st Jan will be wrong. More like 2,500 a day.

    Your prediction is a guess. You haven't offered any explanation or evidence for this.

    My theory is based on three years immunology study at the university of east london, including a final year on epidemiology. I've been trained to read the graphs. The third wave started way sooner would normally be expected. Typically, you would expect to see a month of stability between each wave. I suspect a combination of people staying inside more and the schools remaining open have shortened this gap. But there is another more sinister explanation behind this massive acceleration over the last week. And the only way that can possibly be explained is by the unexpected introduction of a new more highly transmissible variant. No one could have predicted that.

    On the bright side, the fact that we're now in the third wave means this will be over soon, perhaps in early February. I know of no precedence of an airborne pandemics that have had more than three major waves, although there is still the chance that this could become a seasonal 'flu' albeit, much less lethal and vaccines will mean these will be blips rather than waves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Chaoticawk


    Panic stations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Tazz T wrote: »
    Your prediction is a guess. You haven't offered any explanation or evidence for this.

    My theory is based on three years immunology study at the university of east london, including a final year on epidemiology. I've been trained to read the graphs. The third wave started way sooner would normally be expected. Typically, you would expect to see a month of stability between each wave. I suspect a combination of people staying inside more and the schools remaining open have shortened this gap. But there is another more sinister explanation behind this massive acceleration over the last week. And the only way that can possibly be explained is by the unexpected introduction of a new more highly transmissible variant. No one could have predicted that.

    On the bright side, the fact that we're now in the third wave means this will be over soon, perhaps in early February. I know of no precedence of an airborne pandemics that have had more than three major waves, although there is still the chance that this could become a seasonal 'flu' albeit, much less lethal and vaccines will mean these will be blips rather than waves.

    'no precedence' sure , but this pandemic has being treated differently and to a wider extent. It has not being left run it's natural course. So there easily could be more flare ups as time goes on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭NaFirinne


    The one thing I don't get is the flu looks like it's completely dropped of the planet. Yet Covid is still growing....would this not indicate that yes indeed the lockdowns are working...just for a different virus.

    And if the lockdowns managed to stop the flu why aren't the effective for covid?

    I do feel for people loosing their businesses and Jobs though. Will they get a bail out from the governement like the banks did?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    lalababa wrote: »
    'no precedence' sure , but this pandemic has being treated differently and to a wider extent. It has not being left run it's natural course. So there easily could be more flare ups as time goes on.

    Are you saying waves or flare ups, as in the 'blips' I mentioned. No one really knows how pandemics end but usually they burn out after two or three waves, since the beginning of time, with or without vaccines. You say 'this pandemic is being treated differently and to a wider extent'. I don't know what you mean by that. Can you explain? Who or what is 'treating this pandemic differently'? Why should this be different than any other global pandemic?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    school open do contribute just like anything that is open its the extra activity the transport, social and business around it make it same as any grouping the kids may not be the spreaders but 1 example the parent collecting is.
    all choices are hard but do not suit some others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Schools are absolutely spreading it. Look at killorglin.

    I really don't understand the government's attitude of assuming that children are immune when the UK stats have secondary schools as the number one spreader at 27%. If 27% of a plane arriving at dublin was infected, there'd be outrage.

    Compare the graph of our second wave lockdown to that of Greece's where schools are closed. it's black and white. Greece started out with infections of over 3000 a day and are now have less than us and are still falling fast - no plateauing like us.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/greece/


  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    970 today.

    My prediction of 1000 per day by 1st Jan will be wrong. More like 2,500 a day.

    Large backlog yesterday as they generally do on announcement day.

    Based on swabs, probably back to around 700 today.

    Cases are levelling off and festive season is ending.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Dub81 wrote: »
    sure no problem and sit back and watch as more businesss close and more people lose their jobs and homes, and the ecomony weakens even further, and for what to get cases down only for them to go back up again, anyone who says lock downs work is very much deluded, they cause serious untold misery for so many people.

    You see, I view you mentioning that as a way to 'back up' your personal opinion of lockdowns don't work.
    Let's be honest... truly honest.... you really couldn't care if strangers lost their job or home. That doesn't make your selfish either. That's human nature unfortunately. We as people largely only care about ourselves and those closest to us. Don't get me wrong you can see tremendous acts of kindness from humanity here and there... but as a whole? the above reigns true.

    Sure in any other year loads lose their job and many lose their home but we don't hear a massive out cry for them.

    If we take ourselves out of things and view the bigger picture the most important thing is saving human lives. Which is the point of a lockdown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Large backlog yesterday as they generally do on announcement day.

    Based on swabs, probably back to around 700 today.

    Cases are levelling off and festive season is ending.

    I don't see how cases are levelling off tho.

    New Cases:
    Dec 16th: 421 cases
    Dec 17th: 481 cases
    Dec 18th: 576 cases
    Dec 19th: 522 cases
    Dec 20th: 766 cases
    Dec 21st: 725 cases
    Dec 22nd: 961 cases.

    The stats would have to be levelling off, to be levelling off :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭thegetawaycar


    I don't see how cases are levelling off tho.

    New Cases:
    Dec 16th: 421 cases
    Dec 17th: 481 cases
    Dec 18th: 576 cases
    Dec 19th: 522 cases
    Dec 20th: 766 cases
    Dec 21st: 725 cases
    Dec 22nd: 961 cases.

    The stats would have to be levelling off, to be levelling off :pac:

    They aren't correct though, did they not say that 270 from yesterday were late notification, so yesterday would be 691 and possibly the other days a few higher each?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭daheff


    My daughter's secondary school didn't have a single case either. A few weeks ago a girl in her class was crying because her mother, her father and two of her grandparents all had COVID. She was never tested. So I'd take that all with a very large grain of salt.


    And was this child in school telling people this? If so wtf were the parents doing sending her to school to possible transmit COVID to others?

    Second question is why was she not tested? Did the parents not push the doctor to have her tested, or did they not really care enough to make that point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,300 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    They aren't correct though, did they not say that 270 from yesterday were late notification, so yesterday would be 691 and possibly the other days a few higher each?

    The upward trend is still clearly visible though


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