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The Leinster Championship is dead.
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Always makes me laugh when you hear someone claim "money doesn't buy you success".
It is not always a guarantee, but it shure as hell does always seem to help a lot.
In soccer PSG, City, Blackburn, Chelsea, Real are all proof.
In Rugby Union Toulon, Saracens, Exeter.
All with massive investment and success.
Yeah yeah we know GAA is different.
Players are not bought and sold and they all still work.
They play where they were born.
And of course analysts, coaches, physios, psychologists, dieticians, strength and fitness coaches, rehabilitation, all work for free in GAA world.
It's a bit like how home venues aren't an advantage.
Tis a funny old world, the GAA it bucks all the normal trends.
OK. What funding are you referring to firstly and secondly what is you solution?0 -
Going back since 2010 the last time another team won Leinster.
And focusing how Kildare and Meath did.
2010
Leinster Championship
Meath: win Leinster Final controversially (qualified success)
Kildare: beaten by Louth by 7 points in the Leinster QF (Flop underachievement)
Backdoor system
Kildare: struggle and draw with Antrim (flop), then win replay
Following with victories against Leitrim. Derry and Monaghan.
All teams you would say Kildare should have been favourites for at that time.
All Ireland Championship
Kildare have a good win against Meath in the AI QF (Success)
Kildare beaten by Down by two points could be argued Down were a better team since they won the AI.
Plus Kildares 2013 generation on from minor had yet to emerge.
However both Kildare and Down lost the u21 finals in 2008 and 2009 respectively. So it could be argued it was a real 50/50 game at senior level based on Senior level. And talent coming through.
Verdict: Decent year for Kildare being knocked out by the AI champs in an AI SF after the embarrassment v Louth. Could have been a lot better or worse though. A lost opportunity in a lot of ways?
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2011
2011 - Tipp and Cavan were making waves at underage.
Tips winning the minor and Cavan the u21. Deserves a mention considering what happened this year in 2020.
Leinster championship
Kildare had a good win against Meath in the Leinster QF's but were pipped by Dublin by one point in the Leinster semi. The famous McStay 'ah nooo ah nooo' commentary. Which he later apologised for on reflection.
Backdoor system:
Meath
beat Louth by a margin of 3 goals,
Kildare
walloped Laois,
Kildare a good win against meath by three points
Beat Derry in the next round.
All Ireland Championship
Kildare flop against Donegal by a point in the AI QF.
Meanwhile Dublin do a fortunate smash and grab v Kerry in the final.
Verdict: I would argue Kildare made no improvement on the previous year and would have been disappointed to lose against Donegal. Especially as Kildare had their u21's coming through from 2008 at this stage. Plus I would also argue that at this stage Kildare were in a stronger position than Meath. But it was not capitalised on.
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2012
Leinster Championship
Meath
Beat Kildare by 6 points in SF and lose to Dublin by a goal in the final
Backdoor system
Meath
Shocked by Laois = flop
Kildare
Wallop Cavan, beat Limerick AET,
All Ireland Championship
Kildare beaten well by a strong Cork side in the QF.
Verdict: Meath flop. Kildare threading water unable to get their underage players to the next level. All the more frustrating for both counties considering Dublin were shocked by Mayo in the AI SF. The year that is arguably the start of Dublin's Golden Generation.
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2013
The start of a period where Kildare dominate Leinster minor football contesting the final in all but one year between 2013 and 2019. And losing twice winning four times.
Senior Leinster Football Championship
It was a very much status quo year in this Leinster with no shocks among the top three.
Meath
beating Wicklow, Wexford and falling at the Dublin hurdle in the final by seven points
Kildare
Beating Offaly and falling at Dublin hurdle in the semi final
Backdoor system
Kildare
Comfortable v Louth, Lose to Tyrone by 3 points. Tyrone were at this stage not as formidable a side as they were in their heyday. Kildare again come away disappointed as the underage talent does not perform as expected. Although in fairness Tyrone had a minor crop bubbling under from 2010.
Meath
Pipped by Tyrone by 2 points in the qualifiers.
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Verdict:
As Meath and Kildare were both beaten by the same Tyrone side it gives a good idea of their standard. Mediocre OK but no great shakes.
Both sides threading water at best no real improvement
Meanwhile, Dublin sneak Sam handed to them by Mayo ineptitude on the day,
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2014
Leinster Senior Championship
No real shocks among the top three. Although. Meath beat Kildare very comfortably by 7 in the Leinster semi-final. What has happened Kildare's underage talent
Meath walloped by Dublin in the final.
Back door system
Kildare
barely beating Clare by one point (shaky at best a near flop at worst)
Then beaten by Ulster champs Monaghan AET by 2 points
Meath
Beaten comfortably by Armagh by 5 points
All Ireland Championship
Meanwhile, Dublin dethroned by combination of tactical mistakes by Jim Gavin on the side. And Jim McGuinness showing that a team can be greater than the sum of its part if you use a bit of guile and ingenuity.
Verdict Kildare fail again when on the cusp of victory failing to take it to the next level.Management, tactics or players?
You could not blame resources in this case and the Kildare u21 talent has been around for a while at this stage to give senior a go.
Monaghan beat Dublin well in the AI QF and was a good indicator of the gap between Kildare and Dublin at this point.
I would argue Meath flopped as they should have been well able for Armagh and they went backwards in their development.
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2015
Leinster Senior Championship
Kildare
Wallop Laois after a replay in the QF's
Dublin wallop Kildare in the SF's
Meath
Flop v Westmeath biggest shock in the championship for a long time
Backdoor system
Meath
Beaten by Tyrone by 2 points decent enough showing on paper. But the way Tyrone play they just do enough to win games.
Kildare
Scrape by Offaly, wallop Longford, great win v a revamped Cork shorn of many of the 2010 AI winners,
All Ireland Championship
Kildare concede 7 goals v Kerry in the QF 7-16 to 0-10
When Dublin face Kerry in the AI final they win a dour game on dirty day by 3 points.
Verdict:
Meath gone backwards in development, Kildare one step forward beating Cork and four back getting walloped by Kerry.
Both Kildare and Meath look in trouble at this stage.
Dublin learning how to win ugly v the Kingdom - Kildare showing how to let the Kingdom run riot.
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2016
Leinster Senior Football Championship
Kildare and Meath in disarray.
Kildare
Scraping by Wicklow in the QF's and losing v Westmeath in the SF
Meath
Beating Louth by 4 points in the QF, walloped by Dublin in the SF.
Backdoor system
Meath
Lose to Derry by 3 points
Kildare
Beat Offaly by 5 points
Well beaten by Mayo by 9 points
Verdict:
Meath a shambles at this stage. But a revamp was required
Kildare again unable to take things to the next level.
Unable to dominate weaker sides and getting dominated by stronger sides.
Management? Tactics?
Meanwhile Mayo gift Dublin an AI in a first game in particular they should and could have won.
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2017
Leinster Senior Football Championship
Kildare
Wallop Laois, and win by 9 v Meath in SF
Meath
Prior to their Kildare defeat wallop Louth
Backdoor System
Meath
Scrape by Sligo by 2 points
Beaten by Donegal by the narrowest of margins
(However to put it in context Donegal were then hammered by Galway)
Kildare
Kildare beaten by 3 points by Armagh.
Verdict:
One step forwards two steps back for Kildare. Should they be losing to Armagh who were a div 3 team?
Plus Kildare were promoted from div2 to div 1 getting to the league final that year.
Management and tactics surely not resources?
Meath a div 2 team did well against Donegal who were a Div 1 side. However Galway winners of div 2 showed how Donegal could be dismantled in the championship. Signs of improvement for Meath in fairness did well in league as well unlucky not to be promoted.
Meanwhile Dublin pushed all the way by Mayo in final and sneak win. Also the year that Dublin win the last u21 final v Galway in Tullamore.
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2018
Leinster football championship
The nothing to do with Dublin year!
Meath
Shocked by Longford in the Leinster QF by 2 points
Kildare
Shocked by Carlow in the QF by 7 points
Backdoor system
Kildare
Beat Derry by 8, Longford by 3, Mayo by 5 (Newbridge or Nowhere), Fermanagh by 11
Meath
Beaten by a point by Tyrone AET which was very good for a div 2 side. Plus when put in context that Tyrone reached the AI final Meath can consider themselves unlucky.
Super 8's
Kildare: Zero points beaten by Galway, Kerry and Monaghan
Verdict:
'Newbridge or Nowhere' has a tendency to overshadow Kildare's year.
As it was one of the few times they won against a side they were not supposed to beat.
Plus Kildare were fired up and showed some balls for a change. However, they could not even get one win the Super 8's not even a draw. Plus adding in Kildare's shock defeat by Carlow it paints a different picture.
I would say this was another one step forwards and two back by Kildare and their management team.
Meath I would say were unlucky to draw Tyrone, following their shock defeat against Longford it must have been hard to lift the team. I would put Meath's progress at a little better then threading water. A mixed bag inconsistency mixed with green shoots of hope.
Meanwhile Dublin put in a great performance of patience and precision against Tyrone to win Sam. But it must be said that Tryone made it easy for Dublin with the tactics they employed.
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2019
Leinster football championship
Kildare
Snuck by Wicklow by 1 point
Taken to a replay by Longford winning by 11
Beaten by Dublin by 13 SF it was probably in or around 'the spread' which showed Dublin's dominance against former great Leinster sides.
Meath
Who had just being promoted to div 1 after a gap of 13 years would have went into this championship with renewed confidence.
Beat Offaly by 2, and wallop Carlow and Laois, annihilated by Dublin in the final by 16.
Backdoor system
Kildare
Beat Antrim well.
Beaten well by Tyrone 10 points margin (flop)
Meath
Beat Clare by 1 point (flop)
Super 8's
Meath the new Div 2 side fail to get a single point in a group containing Donegal, Mayo and Kerry.
A difficult group in fairness but Meath were walloped in all three games
Verdict:
Meath are just not that good a side barely made it to the Super 8's on the back of a 1 point win v Clare. Completely outclassed at the Super 8 stage.
Meath would also fail to win a game in the 2020 NFL to be relegated and rooted to the bottom. Although some argue they were unlucky.
Kildare again failed to make any decent progress outside Leinster. Struggling to beat week sides in Leinster.
It appears classing Kildare as a definite top 8 side cannot be said. This is shown by the fact that they are still in division 2 and if they ever do make the super 8's again are likely to be outclassed.
Meanwhile Kerry blew their chance of winning Sam in 2019 despite being a man up and ahead during the game at a crucial stage.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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2011 a flop??Lost by a point to the team that won the following years all Ireland and robbed by that bollocks Cormac Reilly against Dublin **** me like but your wikipedia search notwithstanding what is the point here? It clearly shows that before the emergence of the multi million Dubs Meath and Kildare and indeed Wexford ran Dublin close now its 20 points plus??0
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Did you smash it wrote: »Southampton is a far better ran club than Man Utd but Man utd finish further up the table. I wonder why.
There’s a lot of bull**** out there about the greatness of John Costello. Easy to run a profitable county board when multinationals are creaming themselves to offer you fat endorsement deals.
I just laugh at how people in the media buy into the nonsense at this stage.
What did Dublin do with all their superior facilities and resources from the period of 1984-1994?
Also from the period of 1996-2010
Dublin used to be a laughing stock by the rest of the country especially from 1996 to 2010. I won't forget that.
First game I ever witnessed Dublin not lose against Kerry was a draw in 2009 in a league game! It was celebrated like a victory.
I was never as happy as when Dublin won an u21 title for the first time in 2003. Even though the senior lads from Tyrone were hungover from their AI win a few weeks earlier.
Dublin did not even compete in u21 competitions for years. Lack of foresight by the DCB.
Only for people in the right positions the DCB would not have turned things around.
Because Dublin should be dominating before they were underachieving. Now Dublin's potential is being realised. Not only that the level of Gaelic Football has being raised to new heights.
Thanks to Tyrone, Donegal and now Dublin innovating. Thanks to Dublin Gaelic football has a whole new level of innovation and strategy.
Good managers can copy this as is seen with Managers like Banty, Mikey Graham and so on.
Outside of Dublin there is no way that Meath and Kildare should have let themselves go into doldrums. Struggling against Leinster sides that they should beat.
If population and resources are the sole argument. Why have Kildare and Meath lost to Westmeath, Carlow and Laois and Longford in recent history? Last 10 years.
Plus have never overachieved and used ingenuity to get there.
Carlow have done it, Tipp have done it, Cavan have done it, Monaghan have done it, Donegal have done it. Why can't Meath and Kildare? No clever/motivational managers?
Sitting there looking up at old pictures of Micko and Moylan are not going to improve teams.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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2011 a flop?? Lost by a point to the team that won the following years all Ireland and robbed by that bollocks Cormac Reilly against Dublin **** me like but your wikipedia search notwithstanding what is the point here? It clearly shows that before the emergence of the multi million Dubs Meath and Kildare and indeed Wexford ran Dublin close now its 20 points plus??
You missed the point completely Kildare and Meath have underachieved outside Leinster when give the chance time and time again.
Kildare and Meath have much better resources than many a county and failed to capitalise on it.
Plus not only that they live in close proximity to Dublin and some even play for Dublin clubs. Resources of Dublin seems like a handy excuse for Kildare and Meath in particular.
What about the resources of Longford, Carlow and Louth????
Yet Longford beat Meath in Leinster and their champs beat the Dublin champs.
I think a lot of the resources talk is to mask the shame of Meath and Kildare in a cover up of their own failings.
Meath now dependant on Ratoath to survive. And Kildare have wasted their talent at underage. Either through poor management and tactics and motivation.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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2011 a flop?? Lost by a point to the team that won the following years all Ireland and robbed by that bollocks Cormac Reilly against Dublin **** me like but your wikipedia search notwithstanding what is the point here? It clearly shows that before the emergence of the multi million Dubs Meath and Kildare and indeed Wexford ran Dublin close now its 20 points plus??
I would argue player for player at that time overall Kildare had a better squad in 2011 than Donegal. Donegal only won the AI through ingenuity in 2012 and making the best of what they had.
Kildare lacked ingenuity and decent management as simple at that. The talent was there from underage. Plus Kldare had old dogs like Johnny Doyle to lead them.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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Did you smash it wrote: »I think you’ve been reading too many joe Brolly articles.
Intercounty is what attracts the crowds, the sponsorship and the tv deals.
People want to see jack mccaffrey play with diarmuid Connolly not with “some lad”
What you’re proposing could happen but there’s no evidence to support it.
Eventually it will get the sponsorship and crowds as people move away from inter county. The demise of the County Leinster football championship will be the start of it. TG4 get good viewing figures for the club championships. A bit of jazzing up, playing it in nicer weather and the crowds would come.
People would eventually get to know who some lad was.
All players were that some lad once.
A little bit of marketing and proper scheduling and I think it could easily over take the Leinster county scene.
Dublin club championship is of a fantastic standard and great entertainment. A scattering of inter county culchies as well among teams.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »Eventually it will get the sponsorship and crowds as people move away from inter county. The demise of the County Leinster football championship will be the start of it. TG4 get good viewing figures for the club championships. A bit of jazzing up, playing it in nicer weather and the crowds would come.
People would eventually get to know who some lad was.
All players were that some lad once.
A little bit of marketing and proper scheduling and I think it could easily over take the Leinster county scene.
Dublin club championship is of a fantastic standard and great entertainment. A scattering of inter county culchies as well among teams.
A theory based on nothing.0 -
gormdubhgorm wrote: »Eventually it will get the sponsorship and crowds as people move away from inter county. The demise of the County Leinster football championship will be the start of it. TG4 get good viewing figures for the club championships. A bit of jazzing up, playing it in nicer weather and the crowds would come.
People would eventually get to know who some lad was.
All players were that some lad once.
A little bit of marketing and proper scheduling and I think it could easily over take the Leinster county scene.
Dublin club championship is of a fantastic standard and great entertainment. A scattering of inter county culchies as well among teams.
Will it though? Would intercounty sponsors really switch to club teams with much smaller supporter pools? Also would crowds really switch en masse to club action which although I personally enjoy going to matches often is of a far lower quality to inter county and would go to matches that do not involve their club.0 -
Did you smash it wrote: »A theory based on nothing.
I would urge you to look at how league success is now an indicator for championship success.Before it was`only the league' the gaa evoles slowly- as will you.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »I would urge you to look at how league success is now an indicator for championship success.Before it was`only the league' the gaa evoles slowly- as will you.
The GAA evolved slowly over 133 years and now you’re making the prediction that this evolution will be completely turned on its head and people will start flocking to club games to see local lads with low skill sets compared to the best county players.
Your theory makes no sense. Now is the time to rethink it rather than defend it.0 -
Did you smash it wrote: »I think you’ve been reading too many joe Brolly articles.
Intercounty is what attracts the crowds, the sponsorship and the tv deals.
People want to see jack mccaffrey play with diarmuid Connolly not with “some lad”
What you’re proposing could happen but there’s no evidence to support it.
I don't read Brolly changes like the wind.A hypocrite.
Great scope in club game. Intercounty prov, archaic had thier day. Covid masked its problems this year.Intc league and club champ= future.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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Did you smash it wrote: »The GAA evolved slowly over 133 years and now you’re making the prediction that this evolution will be completely turned on its head and people will start flocking to club games to see local lads with low skill sets compared to the best county players.
Your theory makes no sense. Now is the time to rethink it ratherhan defend it.
The best county lads all are members of clubs! I suggest you watch dub club champs. Plus in soccer do club fans only watch thier `intercty' = international stars ? No.
Maybe you don't follow club football in the gaa ? Massive potential marketing.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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massive potential marketing to what level?gormdubhgorm wrote: »The best county lads all are members of clubs! I suggest you watch dub club champs. Plus in soccer do club fans only watch thier `intercty' = international stars? No.
Maybe you don't follow club football in the gaa? Massive potential marketing.
Numbers arent there to suggest club game will get anywhere near what youre suggesting0 -
gormdubhgorm wrote: »The best county lads all are members of clubs! I suggest you watch dub club champs. Plus in soccer do club fans only watch thier `intercty' = international stars ? No.
Maybe you don't follow club football in the gaa ? Massive potential marketing.
I’ve travelled home on planes to see my club in big matches as I live abroad. I love my club.
Your theory just has no basis in reality. People want to see the best players play together and play against each other.
The evolution of the game which is what you brought up and described as slow is after 133 years having brought us to the point where intercounty is more popular than club. Now you think that evolution will be suddenly turned on its head despite you describing the evolution as slow.
You have contradicted yourself and highlighted the nonsensical nature of your own theory.
I’d again urge you to examine your own theory for the holes you yourself have exposed in it rather than talking to me.0 -
Leaving out other advantage like Croker, private sponsorship etc, I think its worth looking at the significant advantage handed to Dublin by the central organisation in terms of the development funding and the structure they put in place. The starting 15 on the Dublin team last week came from 10 different clubs. Each and every one of those clubs have a GAA subsidised, full-time officer employed by their club. Some of the bigger clubs have self-funded additional professional coaches and I think Ballyboden has a full time administrator to organise the logistics of training, matches etc for their huge membership.
It is no doubt required given the scale of these clubs, but these are the richest clubs, from the richest area in the country, and the GAA is handing out subsidies way over and above what other counties have available to them. For example, if my local club here somehow got the money together for half a GDOs salary (which would be impossible without the membership and sponsorship available to a club like Ballyboden) we still wouldn't be entitled to a semi-funded GDO as this is a Dublin only scheme, and part of the plan that central GAA put in place to save the GAA in Dublin
You end up in a scenario that the richest area is getting the most targeted support from the GAA HQ. Meanwhile smaller, less successful counties have 1 or 2 development officers per county. They are spreading their time between many clubs across a wide geographical area. So when you compare the 2 starting lineups from the Leinster final - which group of players do you think got the most contact time with full time, professional coaches?
Dublin and the GAA have no doubt created a great structure in the capital, but I think its about time they realised the same resources need to be expanded to counties that need it. Ive no idea how its even up for debate that the richest county should get the most targeted support in terms of both finance and coaching resources.0 -
Whats there to stop clubs funding their own development officer with help from county board/GAA hq like there is a lot of the rugby clubs across the country who pay half the cost of their development officer with IRFU through the provinces paying the other half.StupidLikeAFox wrote: »Leaving out other advantage like Croker, private sponsorship etc, I think its worth looking at the significant advantage handed to Dublin by the central organisation in terms of the development funding and the structure they put in place. The starting 15 on the Dublin team last week came from 10 different clubs. Each and every one of those clubs have a GAA subsidised, full-time officer employed by their club. Some of the bigger clubs have self-funded additional professional coaches and I think Ballyboden has a full time administrator to organise the logistics of training, matches etc for their huge membership.
It is no doubt required given the scale of these clubs, but these are the richest clubs, from the richest area in the country, and the GAA is handing out subsidies way over and above what other counties have available to them. For example, if my local club here somehow got the money together for half a GDOs salary (which would be impossible without the membership and sponsorship available to a club like Ballyboden) we still wouldn't be entitled to a semi-funded GDO as this is a Dublin only scheme, and part of the plan that central GAA put in place to save the GAA in Dublin
You end up in a scenario that the richest area is getting the most targeted support from the GAA HQ. Meanwhile smaller, less successful counties have 1 or 2 development officers per county. They are spreading their time between many clubs across a wide geographical area. So when you compare the 2 starting lineups from the Leinster final - which group of players do you think got the most contact time with full time, professional coaches?
Dublin and the GAA have no doubt created a great structure in the capital, but I think its about time they realised the same resources need to be expanded to counties that need it. Ive no idea how its even up for debate that the richest county should get the most targeted support in terms of both finance and coaching resources.
Where does it state anywhere its a dublin only scheme. Would smaller, less successful counties not be able to pay for additional development officers ontop of those already in place?0 -
StupidLikeAFox wrote: »For example, if my local club here somehow got the money together for half a GDOs salary (which would be impossible without the membership and sponsorship available to a club like Ballyboden) we still wouldn't be entitled to a semi-funded GDO as this is a Dublin only scheme, and part of the plan that central GAA put in place to save the GAA in Dublin
And before anybody comes in with "but they are just for the childer" - yes, one part of their job is going to schools and increasing participation. The other part of their job is implementing professional coaching standards within the club right up through the underage structures of the club. There is a huge difference between a club in Dublin who has a full time professional monitoring their training sessions and schedules, and a club not in Dublin who are a bunch of volunteers that might see a GDO once every couple of weeks or months0 -
The Lost Sheep wrote: »Whats there to stop clubs funding their own development officer with help from county board/GAA hq like there is a lot of the rugby clubs across the country who pay half the cost of their development officer with IRFU through the provinces paying the other half.
Where does it state anywhere its a dublin only scheme. Would smaller, less successful counties not be able to pay for additional development officers ontop of those already in place?
Its not available to other counties. They have initiated the "East Leinster Project" to try and roll it out in Kildare, Meath and I think Louth, but they have only been doing that in the past year. Fermanagh looked for funding for a GDO a few years ago and they were turned down.
Dublin GAA brought in €2.3m in commercial revenue in 2019, they had a €1m surplus. This is separate to the GDO funding. Other counties need to fundraise for anything they do, Dublin do not. They don't need the coaches or the subsidies as much as other counties. I wouldn't like to see Dublin hobbled - it would be much better to roll out this kind of structure to all counties, but its unlikely the GAA could afford that approach. If the resources are scarce they should not be concentrated on the richest, most successful county0 -
so i think to most people the super club idea and finally going semi pro modelled on AFL in Australia is probably the most sense, remember Australia has only 25 million people and can keep pro sport going thats not a lot considering population of greater London is half that. Maybe the county teams could play a mini , squeezed All ireland every year over 6-7 weeks like the 6 nations in rugby. mid summer games , festivals of GAA like world cup or something. nobody really minds seeing New Zealand hammer Tonga 84-7 every four years but they wouldnt pay in to watch it week on week. I think county fans would stilll get their fix for the few games each summer when the club players return if they take the odd hiding so be it its not the big deal more a novelty build a whole social scene around it like international rugby, but club is the day to day GAA on TV each week.0
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It doesnt at all make sense. County is only format for any form of semi pro event. So much about GAA is about identity and these sides you suggest have none of that.so i think to most people the super club idea and finally going semi pro modelled on AFL in Australia is probably the most sense, remember Australia has only 25 million people and can keep pro sport going thats not a lot considering population of greater London is half that. Maybe the county teams could play a mini , squeezed All ireland every year over 6-7 weeks like the 6 nations in rugby. mid summer games , festivals of GAA like world cup or something. nobody really minds seeing New Zealand hammer Tonga 84-7 every four years but they wouldnt pay in to watch it week on week. I think county fans would stilll get their fix for the few games each summer when the club players return if they take the odd hiding so be it its not the big deal more a novelty build a whole social scene around it like international rugby, but club is the day to day GAA on TV each week.0 -
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Get your facts right.StupidLikeAFox wrote: »Ballyboden employ a full-time director of coaching and a full time general manager0 -
The Lost Sheep wrote: »It doesnt at all make sense. County is only format for any form of semi pro event. So much about GAA is about identity and these sides you suggest have none of that.
Leinster and Munster Rugby had zero identity Connacht still dosent. Its makey ,Uppey garbage, morketing people will sort it and you will have big ad campaigns0 -
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The Lost Sheep wrote: »massive potential marketing to what level?
Numbers arent there to suggest club game will get anywhere near what youre suggesting
Top level.
Won't happen overnight.
But can already see the potential he the Dublin club championships.
Early group stages then knock out. Lots of high quality games. Different styles of teams some packed with 'national' 'Intercounty' stars others with a few. Games that are competitive for the most part.
High quality football much better than a lot of the Leinster Intercounty stuff.
Club football has endless scope to develop as a product. Once the provincial inter county dies as competitions and makes space for club championships can get more spotlight and space.
Intercounty League and championship should merge no provincials.
Problem solved.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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Did you smash it wrote: »I’ve travelled home on planes to see my club in big matches as I live abroad. I love my club.
Your theory just has no basis in reality. People want to see the best players play together and play against each other.
The evolution of the game which is what you brought up and described as slow is after 133 years having brought us to the point where intercounty is more popular than club. Now you think that evolution will be suddenly turned on its head despite you describing the evolution as slow.
You have contradicted yourself and highlighted the nonsensical nature of your own theory.
I’d again urge you to examine your own theory for the holes you yourself have exposed in it rather than talking to me.
I didn't say get rid of intercounty just intercounty provisionals championship freeing up space for a proper run a t club stuff marketing etc.
Bar not being able to go to games was the best Dublin club championship for ages. As could get a clear run no stop start stuff for intercounty.
Scrapping the intercounty Provisionals would allow space on the fixture list.
Plus a merging of the League as the championship AI much better idea. And free up fixture space.
Teams playing at same levels in divisions much fairer more competitveGuff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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Top level means what though?gormdubhgorm wrote: »Top level.
Won't happen overnight.
But can already see the potential he the Dublin club championships.
Early group stages then knock out. Lots of high quality games. Different styles of teams some packed with 'national' 'Intercounty' stars others with a few. Games that are competitive for the most part.
High quality football much better than a lot of the Leinster Intercounty stuff.
Club football has endless scope to develop as a product. Once the provincial inter county dies as competitions and makes space for club championships can get more spotlight and space.
Intercounty League and championship should merge no provincials.
Problem solved.
The potential isnt there for club football to expand substantially above what its currently at.
Inter county league and championship shouldnt merge but a primarily league based competition should be main event of year.0 -
Won 6 provincial titles (most of any Leinster team in that period) and reached 4 All Ireland finals. This period was bookended by All Ireland championships.gormdubhgorm wrote: »What did Dublin do with all their superior facilities and resources from the period of 1984-1994?
Again, won 6 provincial titles (most of any Leinster team in that period) and reached two All Ireland semi finals, losing by a point to the eventual champions each time. Again, period was bookended by All Ireland championships.Also from the period of 1996-2010
I have to laugh at Dublin fans lamenting their "barren" years above. It just goes to show how spoiled for success Dublin have been over the years. The years above would be considered an immensely successful period for pretty much every county except Kerry.
With all due respect, your posts show a distinct lack of knowledge of Meath and Kildare football. It's Boylan, not Moylan.Sitting there looking up at old pictures of Micko and Moylan are not going to improve teams.
You didn't watch any of Meath's games in the super 8's, did you? Against Donegal in Ballybofey, we actually led with 15 minutes to go only for us to run out of gas. Similarly against Mayo, we were 2 up well into the second half and it was a draw game with 15 to go. Against Kerry, we we within striking distance for much of the second half with Kerry only shaking us off in the last 15 minutes again.Meath are just not that good a side barely made it to the Super 8's on the back of a 1 point win v Clare. Completely outclassed at the Super 8 stage.
What does close proximity to Dublin have to do with anything? If anything, it's an advantage for Dublin as you've had many Dublin players live in Kildare and Meath yet still be able to travel and play for their old clubs and/or Dublin. To my knowledge, zero current Meath or Kildare players play for Dublin clubs. In recent years, you've had Darren Daly play for Dublin while living in Meath, similarly with Mick Deegan at underage and the former Dublin U21 keeper living and playing in Kildare.Plus not only that they live in close proximity to Dublin and some even play for Dublin clubs. Resources of Dublin seems like a handy excuse for Kildare and Meath in particular.
You mentioned us losing to Longford a few years ago which was a poor result but we were seconds away from beating Tyrone in the qualifiers in the next game (Tyrone brought it to extra time with a pointed free with the last kick of the game). Tyrone went on to the All Ireland final that year.
I'm a Ratoath man originally and I've literally no idea what you're on about here.Meath now dependant on Ratoath to survive. And Kildare have wasted their talent at underage. Either through poor management and tactics and motivation.
And it's very difficult to motivate young players to train 5 times a week and put their lives on hold when they see the runaway behemoth that is Dublin at senior level. Most would rather play for their club, travel and have a life.0 -
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