Three dead as woman beheaded in France

ThewhiteJesus

Peter Sampson wrote: »

You're the kind of person who tells an abused woman not to provoke her husband.

Wow, no doubt you'll be back under another name after a few more posts.

440Hertz

It's an absolutely horrible and unacceptable attack and I'm quite honestly getting sick of people trying to explain these things as someone being 'offended' by a drawing.

If you're offended by a drawing, to the extent that you go out and commit random murders, you really should be in a padded cell with no sharp objects.

The rest of the world can't go around tiptoeing around volatile psychos, in case they're offended by some innocuous thing and decide to kill you.

It's fairly clear that there are bubbles of radicalisation going on online or elsewhere and you've people with clearly the same personality types as the mass shooting psychopaths in the US being triggered by it.

The reality of this is that someone went out, picked some random person going about their normal everyday stuff and just killed them.

How you un-wind that stuff, I have no idea, but I think trying to rationalise and explain it is a waste of time and energy.

ThewhiteJesus

bb1234567 wrote: »

You have said that the victim's actions provoked such a response, and that they should have been more careful to not do such things that evoke that kind of response

It is victim blaming

Actually i said no such thing, if that's what you read perhaps the issue is with you.

breezy1985

mustang shelly wrote: »

Don't let them in full stop.

There are plenty of rich Muslim countries out there. Time for them to take their like in instead of spreading their hatred and barbaric ways to Europe.

I think you will find it was usually Europe that came to them not the other way round

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Actually i said no such thing, if that's what you read perhaps the issue is with you.

You're mad for throwing out blame... there you go again.

Did you, or did you not say, that insulting mohammad was asking for trouble?

6541

France is getting a real hard time off it. Very difficult issue to resolve. The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, said - Enough is enough … we have to remove this Islamo-fascism from our territory.

Credit -The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/knife-attack-in-nice-france-people-killed-church

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

6541

6541 wrote: »

France is getting a real hard time off it. Very difficult issue to resolve. The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, said - Enough is enough … we have to remove this Islamo-fascism from our territory.

Credit -The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/knife-attack-in-nice-france-people-killed-church[/URL

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

Harder to get a boat to america. America actually has some immigration laws too.

Kaybaykwah

Tony EH wrote: »

There's always a reason. No matter who the psychopath is.

And clearly these people carrying out such murders have a serious level of psychopathic tendency to them.

But how does one go about detecting that at immigration stage?

It's not as "easy" as you seem to think it is.

I'm watching "FranceInfo" Live French news. It seems that the killer gave his name as Ibrahim, but very little else is known about his origin, he is now hospitalized and out of commission. They are testing him for DNA because he didn't have ID with him. They did say he arrived in France via Lampedusa in Italy, I don't know how they got that information from.

breezy1985

6541 wrote: »

France is getting a real hard time off it. Very difficult issue to resolve. The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, said - Enough is enough … we have to remove this Islamo-fascism from our territory.

Credit -The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/knife-attack-in-nice-france-people-killed-church

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

Because the US didn't own half of Africa and Asia the way France, Belgium and Britain did. In the US much like France or Ireland or wherever will mostly find that a lot of terrorists are domestic in some way

DelaneyIn

Paris: A man armed with a long knife was arrested in the southeastern French city of Lyon on Thursday as he attempted to board a tram, a source close to the inquiry told AFP.

The suspect, an Afghan national in his 20s who was dressed in a traditional Afghan outfit, had already been flagged to French intelligence services, the source said.

https://gulfnews.com/world/europe/france-police-arrest-afghan-armed-with-knife-in-lyon-1.1603980695465

The mask is starting to slip Islam’s true face is showing.

THE_SHEEP

Well , in light of recent events .

Maybe , before the old lady had her throat slit / head chopped off , she should have uttered the words ; " I can't breathe " !!

Then , maybe we might see some sort of reaction from the masse's ( ie marches , looting , removal of statues , bended knee / fist raised gestures etc etc ) .

See where I'm going ?

DelaneyIn

Tony EH wrote: »

There's always a reason. No matter who the psychopath is.

And clearly these people carrying out such murders have a serious level of psychopathic tendency to them.

But how does one go about detecting that at immigration stage?

It's not as "easy" as you seem to think it is.

It’s very simple. We close the borders and don’t allow millions more flood into Europe every year.

We make it that simple. What you don’t do is continue to import millions more per annum and hope it all works out.

thegetawaycar

Deleted User wrote: »

Harder to get a boat to america. America actually has some immigration laws too.

Immigration laws and the fact if you arrive without reason you are detained until checks are done, in Europe you roam free or are put up in some form of accommodation where you are free to come and go.

We have far more apologists and socialist ways than the US meaning we are soft touch for those that want to cause harm.

The fact that the citizens in the US are also armed to the teeth means you do this type of thing and there will be revenge. If this happened in a church in the US the murderer would face far more severe consequences than they will here.

John Frank Wilson

People ask 'Why do they come here if they hate the place so much?' - well... aren't they literally commanded, in their book - which the take VERY literally - to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad - the conquest of non-Muslim lands, with the end goal being to literally establish an entire, one religion - global Islamic state?

To answer my question - yes, they are indeed literally commanded, in their book - which the take VERY literally - to spread Islam through Offensive Jihad - the conquest of non-Muslim lands, with the end goal being to literally establish an entire, one religion - global Islamic state.

440Hertz

6541 wrote: »

I always wonder why this never happens in The States. Is it because the police are armed to the teeth ?

There's a different population in the US and different motives, but it's a country that has a huge problem with domestic terrorism, they just don't tend to call it what it is. In 2019 there were 417 mass shootings in the US (defined as at least four people shot by one attacker).

Despite the perception, it's actually significantly more likely that you'll be caught up in a terrorist like incident in the US than in France or the UK, but it's just usually from a different source : disaffected American psychos.

There's a common thread through all of it though - radicalised psychos with a penchant for taking their anger with the world out on random strangers with deadly weapons.

I'm not saying that for the sake of comparing one as better or worse than the other, but the reason for this particular genre of attacks being more unusual in the US is nothing to do with level of armoured of the police. It's just a different set of circumstances.

SnowyMay

weldoninhio wrote: »

I worship the moon, why bring the moon into it?

I also like the moon. Would come as no surprise to some.

But seriously, nobody on this thread is in any way, shape or form condoning this evil shít that happened. I can’t even imagine - decapitation. This is horrific and the stuff of nightmares.

But I also don’t agree with people going out of their way to hurt others. I don’t see why these things should be associated with each other.

You will always get your fking crazy people. If it wasn’t a picture of Mohamed, it would be something else. This is life as it always was, but people taking pleasure in going out of their way to offend for no other reason than to offend is unnecessary and doesn’t help.

Strazdas

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

TomTomTim

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It’s very simple. We close the borders and don’t allow millions more flood into Europe every year.

We make it that simple. What you don’t do is continue to import millions more per annum and hope it all works out.

Exactly. It's always been the same for me. The good ones simply aren't worth it for the bad ones. The negative impact of the bad is far more impactful than the positive from the good.

Robsweezie

a woman beheaded, people killed but OH NO DONT MOCK THEIR RELIGION

John Frank Wilson

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

This may be true - but tell that to the families of poor women who had their heads removed from their bodies while praying in a church.

breezy1985

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It’s very simple. We close the borders and don’t allow millions more flood into Europe every year.

We make it that simple. What you don’t do is continue to import millions more per annum and hope it all works out.

Import millions a year. Surely that's an exaggeration

Limpy

Neo liberalism and Islam together are a bad mix for any western culture.

breezy1985

TomTomTim wrote: »

Exactly. It's always been the same for me. The good ones simply aren't worth it for the bad ones. The negative impact of the bad is far more impactful than the positive from the good.

Jesus my life would have been very different if the English thought that way about us

TomTomTim

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

A tiny amount of people die from drink driving, so maybe we should keep drink driving.

Amirani

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

Yep, lots of truth in this.

Hence why it makes no sense for people to go around trying to justify it by saying people shouldn't be drawing cartoons or "looking for trouble". The problem here isn't Muslims, or even Islam itself. It's a minority of headcases that are waiting for some sort of slight or trigger to do something like this.

Pretzill

Tony EH wrote: »

There's always a reason. No matter who the psychopath is.



It's not as "easy" as you seem to think it is.

Actually no there's isn't. And I never said it would be easy, just I think people need to see something is being done.

Rothko

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

it's awful, but then i completely disagree with showing pictures of Mohammed when it's a clearly a very personal and upsetting thing for any muslim to see. Why purposely try upset people, it's only one image and plenty of ways around it.
Does it mean it's ok to murder, of course not but it's looking for trouble imo

There should be no "but"

suicide_circus

We probably have a few hundered years of this to look forward to until the Islamic world catches up with the west. Until then we must defend secularism, with the sword if necessary.

deBeauvoir

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In any democracy you should be be allowed make fun of any sky god you like in my considered opinion.

seamus wrote: »

That's funny. The selfish view is in fact, "I believe this thing therefore everyone else must respect it".

Everyone has the right to believe what they want. That right does not extend to protecting your belief from ridicule or giving you special rights because you hold it.

If people haven't noticed we are moving more towards a social decomcray that is multicultural. If we are to succeed in this, we must respect each others differences and handle them with care.

Criticizing the existance of God in an intelligent and decent manner is one thing, but mocking it is childish, unkind and unproductive to democracy as you accomplish nothing but further tensions between groups which threatens democracy. The people who draw these pictures consciously know that they're provoking muslims hoping that they'll respond violently so as to villify them and promote right wing policies off the backs of these tragedies.

We don't allow people to do blackface anymore under the guise of freedom of expression and rightfully so! We do not want to incite the black community and cause riots and deteriorate race relations.

Do you teach your kids to think critically about God and dicuss it in an intelligent and decent manner, or do you teach them to just mock it so that they can develop a sense of superiority.

Part of being a decent person is to act maturely and compassionate towards these issues. To go on stage in a democracy to mock the others and their beliefs is unbecoming and is something that Donald Trump would do - which is not a good development for democracy!

Seriously, what does mocking accomplish towards peace and unity for our society and democracy.

Gradius

Strazdas wrote: »

Tens of millions of Muslims are living peacefully in Europe. The numbers involved in terrorist acts are absolutely tiny : we're talking 0.00001% or something. The ones that resort to violence are often unstable misfits, sometimes with suicidal tendencies. Dying in a hail of police bullets is an easier way of checking out of this life than doing it to themselves.

It's far more insidious than you portray.

Just one example, the former Malaysian prime minister declaring unabashedly that it's perfectly okay to kill millions of French people.

Who is he talking to?

Where does his mandate come from?

Who secretly adheres to those same beliefs?

Who, amongst the "peaceful" millions of Muslims in Europe, tacitly condone and encourage and aid murder of Europeans?

Who will smile at you in public and wish you dead behind closed doors?

We'll never know, but these people have an audience, and a significant one. And that says a lot.