Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

Gradius wrote: »

"I'm on fire. No, I don't like the effort of jumping in a pond, thanks. Any other bright ideas?"

What is it, exactly, that gives you this illusion of choice here?

Your analogy doesn't make sense as it's not remotely comparable to the situation under discussion.

Gradius

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Personally I would place 'zero Covid advocates and open everything advocates in the same category. Utter loons, best ignored as neither have the capacity to process the damage they want to inflict.

How does New Zealand compare to us now?

How does your plan of doing sweet fook all amount to anything positive instead?

What are you even posting here for? To defend infinite lockdowns? Or just here to bitch and moan while offering fook all else as an alternative?

If this were a serious meeting there's only so many times you could say "I don't like that" before getting kicked out.

Penfailed

Gradius wrote: »

Nothing that can't be undone/fixed temporarily.

Swap the bloody hospital staff. Swap the children in schools.

It's not quantum mechanics. What it really boils down to is "that's a lot of effort and trouble".

Well fine, enjoy the current situation this time next year then.

The effort/trouble outweighs any advantage over the current situation. Comprende?

ShyMets

Gradius wrote: »

How does New Zealand compare to us now?

How does your plan of doing sweet fook all amount to anything positive instead?

What are you even posting here for? To defend infinite lockdowns? Or just here to bitch and moan while offering fook all else as an alternative?

If this were a serious meeting there's only so many times you could say "I don't like that" before getting kicked out.

Are you sure you're not related to Nox

Plumbthedepths

Gradius wrote: »

How does New Zealand compare to us now?

How does your plan of doing sweet fook all amount to anything positive instead?

What are you even posting here for? To defend infinite lockdowns? Or just here to bitch and moan while offering fook all else as an alternative?

If this were a serious meeting there's only so many times you could say "I don't like that" before getting kicked out.

'what are you even posting here for' read the thread title mate. It ain't let's impose more restrictions thread. You'll have to start one if that's what you want the conversation confined to.
I also believe there is a dedicated Ireland vrs New Zealand thread.

Gradius

Penfailed wrote: »

Your analogy doesn't make sense as it's not remotely comparable to the situation under discussion.

Problem: virus

Solution: quarantine, evidenced by New Zealand successes.

Proposal: copy and improve upon the proven strategy.

Response by slack-jaws: "durp, don't like it"

Alternative proposal by slack-jaws: "durp"

THATS how it's comparable.

bucketybuck

Gradius wrote: »

So now that that's settled, how DO Ireland and New Zealand compare so far??

They are both very nice places that were unable to eliminate covid within their borders.

I know that you want to pretend that because New Zealand currently have less deaths than Ireland that it somehow means that your plan will work, and I suspect you won't understand why that logic is a non sequitur.

However I also know that you have already stated that Ireland needs to cocoon itself from the rest of the world for decades to come, and as such I give your plan the same respect as that given to the "relaxed" plan guy last night.

I do however look forward to tomorrows bright idea.

Plumbthedepths

bucketybuck wrote: »

They are both very nice places that were unable to eliminate covid within their borders.

I know that you want to pretend that because New Zealand currently have less deaths than Ireland that it somehow means that your plan will work, and I suspect you won't understand why that logic is a non sequitur.

However I also know that you have already stated that Ireland needs to cocoon itself from the rest of the world for decades to come, and as such I give your plan the same respect as that given to the "relaxed" plan guy last night.

I do however look forward to tomorrows bright idea.

I doubt it will be brighter than today's zinger.

bucketybuck

hynesie08 wrote: »

What if jumping into a pond is your only option and you can't swim?

Don't forget that you need to stay in the pond forever, because if you climb out you will catch on fire again.

Welcome to your new pond house.

Gradius

Penfailed wrote: »

The effort/trouble outweighs any advantage over the current situation. Comprende?

Feeling optimistic are you?

All over by Christmas?

Shurr a vaccine, right?

We'll see how comfortable people are this time next year when even deeper in the shyt. We'll see about the luxuries of choice then, compadre.

copeyhagen

Gradius wrote: »

Problem: virus

Solution: quarantine, evidenced by New Zealand successes.

Proposal: copy and improve upon the proven strategy.

Response by slack-jaws: "durp, don't like it"

Alternative proposal by slack-jaws: "durp"

THATS how it's comparable.

nope, they closed airprots, nothingt comparable to our ridiculous pretend lock downs.

hynesie08

Gradius wrote: »

Problem: virus

Solution: quarantine, evidenced by New Zealand successes.

Proposal: copy and improve upon the proven strategy.

Response by slack-jaws: "durp, don't like it"

Alternative proposal by slack-jaws: "durp"

THATS how it's comparable.

Success = tanked economy and no covid elimination.

"but cases are in single figures"

So were irelands till we attempted to allow people to live again.....

How do you "improve" on that.....

Penfailed

Gradius wrote: »

Problem: virus

Solution: quarantine, evidenced by New Zealand successes.

Proposal: copy and improve upon the proven strategy.

Response by slack-jaws: "durp, don't like it"

Alternative proposal by slack-jaws: "durp"

THATS how it's comparable.

The problem is, New Zealand is not an island with two separate jurisdictions.

Durp.

SusieBlue

Gradius wrote: »

Problem: virus

Solution: quarantine, evidenced by New Zealand successes.

Proposal: copy and improve upon the proven strategy.

Response by slack-jaws: "durp, don't like it"

Alternative proposal by slack-jaws: "durp"

THATS how it's comparable.

Closing the border would violate the Good Friday Agreement.
You know, that agreement that was hard earned and that finally brought an end to decades of violence, murder and civil war? The troubles that claimed the lives of an untold amount of innocent lives on both sides of the conflict?
And you think we could just close the border on a whim with no issue or opposition?

Wake up and have a think about what you’re actually advocating here.
The last thing we need with the country on its knees is taking an action that would cause political uproar and tensions to flare in the north.

Gradius

bucketybuck wrote: »

They are both very nice places that were unable to eliminate covid within their borders.

I know that you want to pretend that because New Zealand currently have less deaths than Ireland that it somehow means that your plan will work, and I suspect you won't understand why that logic is a non sequitur.

However I also know that you have already stated that Ireland needs to cocoon itself from the rest of the world for decades to come, and as such I give your plan the same respect as that given to the "relaxed" plan guy last night.

I do however look forward to tomorrows bright idea.

Enjoy wallowing in this shoite then, tell your children about how you bravely defended doing fook all in the face of tough choices when there's no jobs and not even the usual choice to emigrate.

New Zealand is doing WAY better than us. It's measurable. You ignore that fact, and proudly proclaim that we could never do better than them.

With the likes of you, you might actually be right

Gradius

SusieBlue wrote: »

Closing the border would violate the Good Friday Agreement.
You know, that agreement that was hard earned and that finally brought an end to decades of violence, murder and civil war? The troubles that claimed the lives of an untold amount of innocent lives on both sides of the conflict?
And you think we could just close the border on a whim with no issue or opposition?

Wake up and have a think about what you’re actually advocating here.
The last thing we need with the country on its knees is taking an action that would cause political uproar and tensions to flare in the north.

No, I don't think it could be closed on a whim.

Yes, I do think it can be closed with effort and planning, peacefully.

Fook politicians. Those people are leading us into rack and ruin, demonstrably.

Penfailed

Gradius wrote: »

Feeling optimistic are you? I'm a naturally optimistic person. I try to find the positives in any situation.

All over by Christmas? Nope. Not by a long way.

Shurr a vaccine, right? Not holding my breath for one, no.

We'll see how comfortable people are this time next year when even deeper in the shyt. We'll see about the luxuries of choice then, compadre.

Your fire/pond analogy would be more accurate if you first had to dig the pond. That's what it would be like to try to close the NI border to mirror NZ.

Gradius

Penfailed wrote: »

The problem is, New Zealand is not an island with two separate jurisdictions.

Durp.

Oh no!! Well, unless we build a time machine, an anti-gravity chamber and a cold fusion plant...there's just no way around this physical impossibility.

A single, small land border. Jaysus, that's crazy stuff, insurmountable.

Gradius

Penfailed wrote: »

Your fire/pond analogy would be more accurate if you first had to dig the pond. That's what it would be like to try to close the NI border to mirror NZ.

Fine. Dig the pond.

Penfailed

Gradius wrote: »

Oh no!! Well, unless we build a time machine, an anti-gravity chamber and a cold fusion plant...there's just no way around this physical impossibility.

A single, small land border. Jaysus, that's crazy stuff, insurmountable.

You obviously really don't have a clue about the border with NI. Were you alive during the troubles? Do you live/have you lived anywhere near it? Have you ever lived in the north? You should really take the option of mirroring NZ off the table. It's simply not feasible.

EDIT - Unless of course you reunite Ireland first. I'd support that call. It's not happening in the near future either though...

SusieBlue

Gradius wrote: »

No, I don't think it could be closed on a whim.

Yes, I do think it can be closed with effort and planning, peacefully.

Fook politicians. Those people are leading us into rack and ruin, demonstrably.

You are over simplifying and downplaying the seriousness of the worst Irish conflict in modern times. If there was a way to have a closed border peacefully, the GFA would never have come to be in the first place.

1998 wasn’t all that long ago and this is still a very raw issue for a lot of people. The last thing we need is civil conflict, violence and disruption and closing the border would incite those things to happen. I can say that with 100% confidence.
It’s the very last thing we need and we can’t afford to do it regardless. The man power to arm the border aside, do you really think the Gardaí in the border counties and the PSNI want to go back to the days of petrol bombs and shootings?
Who’s going to pay for the extra man power to police all of that?

Gradius

hynesie08 wrote: »

Success = tanked economy and no covid elimination.

"but cases are in single figures"

So were irelands till we attempted to allow people to live again.....

How do you "improve" on that.....

New Zealand economy contracted by 12%

Ours contracted by 6% (obviously cooked by the multinational numbers)

New Zealand had one single case today.

We had over 800.

One is not like the other, one has a sustainable plan, the other doesn't.

This country is going to be in a complete jock by Christmas, and the January blues will ram it down your throats until you can't ignore it anymore.

To add, New Zealand will be in not pretty shape, but we'll be 10 times worse.

manniot2

on a conference call with colleauges in london, zurich, barcelona, munich and paris today. running joke (as it was all summer) - Irish lockdowns. They dont believe me when i tell them pubs never opened in Dublin.

Glenomra

manniot2 wrote: »

on a conference call with colleauges in london, zurich, barcelona, munich and paris today. running joke (as it was all summer) - Irish lockdowns. They dont believe me when i tell them pubs never opened in Dublin.

We are becoming increasingly more hysterical in our response to the virus.

manniot2

Glenomra wrote: »

We are becoming increasingly more hysterical in our response to the virus.

yes its very interesting. who knew, a nation of dramaqueen hypochondriacs

4068ac1elhodqr

manniot2 wrote: »

They dont believe me when i tell them pubs never opened in Dublin.

Will many ever open again?


Slightly in just here, but also, not too far wrong:

One simple immediate (<3mths) technique to half all coviddy fatalities (under 65), would be to make obesity a crime.

The 25% whale-ish types of the population only have 50% of surviving the China Flu compared to the slim Jim/Janes, and also importantly only 50% chance of any final and safe treatment or vaccine ever working as it is intended.

Gradius

SusieBlue wrote: »

You are over simplifying and downplaying the seriousness of the worst Irish conflict in modern times. If there was a way to have a closed border peacefully, the GFA would never have come to be in the first place.

1998 wasn’t all that long ago and this is still a very raw issue for a lot of people. The last thing we need is civil conflict, violence and disruption and closing the border would incite those things to happen. I can say that with 100% confidence.
It’s the very last thing we need and we can’t afford to do it regardless. The man power to arm the border aside, do you really think the Gardaí in the border counties and the PSNI want to go back to the days of petrol bombs and shootings?
Who’s going to pay for the extra man power to police all of that?

The way things are going with the virus the strategies of North and South are going to align anyway.

A peaceful agreement to close the border is not impossible, especially with such valuable mutual interest at stake.

drunkmonkey

If New Zealand isn't a runner can we start looking a bit closer to to home namely the Isle of Man, we could kick a ball to it.

Why is there no talk of their success, I just don't get it, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/isle-of-man/

3xh

I appreciate this is the U.K. but let’s be honest and admit the similarities we have with our U.K. friends.

Another 6 months of the current restrictions, 20,000 less GP referrals in Bolton alone and a suggestion mass vaccinations won’t work leading to continuation of restrictions into the future.

The link should be an open link.

https://m.facebook.com/ChrisGreen4BoltonWest/photos/a.274777182701121/1696923827153109/?type=3&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F

drunkmonkey

Chatting to someone with good knowledge of the health insurance sector today seemingly critical illness claims are way down on an average year, the insurance companies are putting the money aside to pay out the life insurance claims now.
Links into what your saying about the lack of referrals in the UK.