Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ironhead93

darconio wrote: »

I'd love to know, from the people celebrating the new lockdown, how they are going to spend the next 6 weeks. I am already going insane now, trying to even motivate myself to go to the shops as often as I can in order to see a different scenario, with the winter fast approaching I will even struggle to go out in the garden for a bit of fresh air. And I consider myself lucky that my job is deemed essential by my employer and I will be able to go in at least a couple of days a week.

I would imagine they are excited at having another excuse to avoid human interaction, the only ones I've personally seen
cheering on these measures are either social outcasts with little investment in the outside world, those with stable public jobs or those delusional enough to think this blunt instrument lockdown will make any significant difference other than sending the suicide rate even further through the ceiling (why does the media never mention that?) either way I pity them.

uli84

hynesie08 wrote: »

How many of them are in hospital? Or icu? I'd say the vast majority of them wouldn't have known they had it if they weren't a close contact......

None probably but it makes a good story for the media, doesn’t it?

siblers

MOH wrote: »

Exactly. And then we can use the time that buys us to implement a fast, efficient testing and contact tracing system that enables us to avoid future countrywide lockdowns by reacting quickly to clusters and swiftly isolating close contacts....

Please excuse me, I'm having a terrible feeing of deja vu

The government have been pretty hopeless since we 'reopened' and have seemingly not planned for the inevitable resurgence in cases, so a lot of blame lies with them but if ICUs are nearing capacity then there's no choice but to lockdown again

They might actually learn something this time

acequion

py2006 wrote: »

Still no mention of all the stupid and selfish people flying in and out on their holidays with most of which ignoring the 14 day quarantine.

My aunty works in the airport and there are flights near capacity from Bucharest with unhygienic and coughing workers coming in to pick fruit or whatever. On top of that there are hoards of entitled and tanned Irish coming in tutting and giving out about having to fill out a form etc.

What happened to temperature checks of people coming in?

No wonder we're a joke of a nation when there are people posting this kind of tripe! "Stupid and selfish" "entitled and tanned" just because they used their right to travel abroad, very possibly on a safer holiday than many of the virtuous staycationers. And it's the gospel according to "my aunty".:rolleyes:

I'd like to think this must be a troll but unfortunately as we've seen lately there are droves of smug, righteous virtue signallers in Ireland.

Rrrrrr2

ShyMets wrote: »

You'll find most of our pro lockdown friends have nice safe jobs that they can do from home.

No worrying about paying the mortgage, rent or bills and no empathy for those in that situation.

And don't try to rise this issue. You'll just be accused of being a granny killer

I seem to draw a blank any time I ask them what they work at or how they’re financially impacted. Now why would that be I wonder?
I’m not affected as such as i was already a wfh professional but that does not mean you can’t empathise and absolutely defend those being hit directly again. They’re not lesser beings to be thrown around as political pawns

charlie14

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Not according to the medical definition of immunity, which is, a condition of being able to resist a particular disease especially through preventing development of a pathogenic microorganism or by counteracting the effects of its products



This has been around for a year now, the estimated number of cases is north or 780M. And you can count number of confirmed reinfections on your fingers and toes.... it’s safe to say widespread reinfection isn’t a massive worry

It is very questionable if the medical definition of immunity means much if you are still liable to become infected and pass on that infection to others.


Admittedly the numbers of re-infections are low, but added to the rising numbers where it was attempted, (and in one instance actually claimed by researchers as being present) it does not say a lot for the naturally acquired herd immunity argument imo.
Perhaps rather than mixing metaphors with the medical definition of immunity and estimated cases it would be best if we just stuck to establish facts.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

How many of them are in hospital? Or icu? I'd say the vast majority of them wouldn't have known they had it if they weren't a close contact......

When are you and others going to wake up to the fact that cases matter, the more cases the more it spreads and the more we put the vulnerable at risk.

MadYaker

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I seem to draw a blank any time I ask them what they work at or how they’re financially impacted. Now why would that be I wonder?
I’m not affected as such as i was already a wfh professional but that does not mean you can’t empathise and absolutely defend those being hit directly again. They’re not lesser beings to be thrown around as political pawns

Your so small minded you can't even consider the fact that some people's opinions about what we should or shouldn't do aren't affected by their own personal situation. It's called objectivity. If I lost my job tomorrow my opinion wouldn't change one bit. Because I base my opinions on facts and evidence, not emotions and feelings.

The company I work for has made about 50 people redundant in the last month. Some of them are my friends. They haven't got to me yet.

dubdaymo

GocRh wrote: »

56 cases in 1 week related to a travel cluster.

How does NPHET know that the "superspreader" got infected while travelling out of the country?

He could have been infected before he went. Was he tested before stepping on the plane?

faceman

JeffKenna wrote: »

Are the 56 who got it classed as community transmission or travel?

Travel. Community transmission only applies if they cant trace the source

dalyboy

dubdaymo wrote: »

How does NPHET know that the "superspreader" got infected while travelling out of the country?

He could have been infected before he went. Was he tested before stepping on the plane?

It’s the same science they used to decide that bars in Dublin and restaurants were the cause of extra infections.
It’s just a “feeling“ and they “think“ it’s related to extra cv19 spread so close them ALL

Welcome to 2020 science

py2006

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

There is no “risk” anyhow so long as you’re careful. November sounds like a good time to get away from here

What about the airport staff that have caught covid most likely from passengers?

faceman

"The next six weeks are critical" :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Absolute shambles. Well, forget the 'living with covid' plan, its been ripped up. Any shred of integrity that was left is truly gone.

The only country in Europe to go in to a second lockdown.

The divide and conquer campaign is in full swing - that article of the guy who had travelled and had symptoms is diverting attention from government failures. The noise from the teacher is deflecting from government failures.

I really wonder who is pro lockdown on these polls, no doubt government shills giving their input. Most people I speak with are not supportive of a lockdown. Even hardliners want to see a plan and what success looks like before they would accept it.

This wont end well.

Rrrrrr2

MadYaker wrote: »

Your so small minded you can't even consider the fact that some people's opinions about what we should or shouldn't do aren't affected by their own personal situation. It's called objectivity. If I lost my job tomorrow my opinion wouldn't change one bit. Because I base my opinions on facts and evidence, not emotions and feelings.

The company I work for has made about 50 people redundant in the last month. Some of them are my friends. They haven't got to me yet.

No you’re guided by hysteria and complete disproportionality if you’re basing anything you purport to support on any figures that have been repeated ad nauseum here. If you’re willing to sacrifice your livelihood on that basis then I’m afraid that really is your funeral. Not everyone will have the luxury of your imagined high moral ground though.

Rrrrrr2

py2006 wrote: »

What about the airport staff that have caught covid most likely from passengers?

Work somewhere else then- in an airport you deal with people. A lot of them. I’ve no doubt that was mentioned in the job description.

SusieBlue

Well, that’s it now lads, Christmas is a write off.

If anyone thinks we’ll wake up on the 1st of December with non essential retail, gyms, hairdressers/barbers restaurants, and pubs open for us to enjoy for the festive season after enduring the ‘circuit breaker’ they’re delusional.

It took the government the guts of 4 months to very slowly allow all those industries reopen last time round, so why on earth would they allow them all open on the one day in 6 weeks time?
The shops will be chaos, and people will be mixing in great numbers after missing out on seeing loved ones for so long again.
The cases will shoot up (as expected, more movement will always = more cases) and they can’t risk that happening this side of 2021, so we’ll be in level 5 until after the new year at a minimum.
They have no problem getting us into these situations but they are too spineless and inept to get us back out.
There is no way they will lift them before Christmas.

I’m absolutely disgusted, appalled and furious but not remotely surprised.
But bring it on I say, because I have intention of complying to the rules as strictly as I did last time and because the public at large are now waking up to the irreparable damage being done to society and economy.
When people realise that this fantasy of having a somewhat normal Christmas is a pipe dream they will be angry that they were duped into another round of lockdown for nothing.
The lack of planning and foresight is inexcusable and they have completely failed us in every sense.

py2006

acequion wrote: »

No wonder we're a joke of a nation when there are people posting this kind of tripe! "Stupid and selfish" "entitled and tanned" just because they used their right to travel abroad, very possibly on a safer holiday than many of the virtuous staycationers. And it's the gospel according to "my aunty".:rolleyes:

I'd like to think this must be a troll but unfortunately as we've seen lately there are droves of smug, righteous virtue signallers in Ireland.

Idiotic comment.

Quite representative of the class of people who think the whole thing is a myth and have a selfish disregard for others.

walus

MadYaker wrote: »

Your so small minded you can't even consider the fact that some people's opinions about what we should or shouldn't do aren't affected by their own personal situation. It's called objectivity. If I lost my job tomorrow my opinion wouldn't change one bit. Because I base my opinions on facts and evidence, not emotions and feelings.

The company I work for has made about 50 people redundant in the last month. Some of them are my friends. They haven't got to me yet.

I wouldn’t say Rrrrrr2 is small minded. By asking he is trying to establish how objective people can possibly be. We are very bad and inaccurate in assessing our own biases and flaws in logic.

It seems to me that most of pro- lockdown, pro-vaccine bunch here are very reluctant to answer such questions. It is telling a lot.

py2006

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Work somewhere else then- in an airport you deal with people. A lot of them. I’ve no doubt that was mentioned in the job description.

What a stupid comment. :rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey

Zardoz wrote: »

7 months they had to add extra ICU beds and avoid this inevitable scenario.
Sweden, a country with a similar ratio of ICU beds/100k could double their number of ICU beds in 3 weeks back in March .
Our gob****es have added 30 beds in 7 months.
We must be the laughing stock of Europe.

Of course we are the laughing stock of Europe

We are the locked up leprechaun’s

charlie14

Multipass wrote: »

It would have helped if they had treated non covid patients all summer. The backlog is going to kill people, not covid.

They did, but for cervical check appointments only 10% turned up. Same across the board apparently.
Does that not call into question the rational of those who are calling for all such services to remain at the same level during a crises with regards to the effective use of resources.

Rrrrrr2

py2006 wrote: »

What a stupid comment. :rolleyes:

Why? What’s stupid is some aunty of yours working in an airport then whining that there’s passengers. The same people that keep her in a job

gmisk

Augeo wrote: »

But closing retail outlets, hairdressers, barber shops etc doesn't address the folk who are the problem.
I'm fairly sure nothing will be announced to curb their behaviour but the loads of folk will be depressed off their heads with the restrictions....... no round of golf, no haircut, no spin to a nice walk........ just stay within x kms of your abode for the next 4/5/6 weeks again........ sledgehammer to crack a nut but the but is nowhere near where the hammer lands.

This is spot on imo.

Bring in on the spot fines, come down like a tonne of bricks on businesses who aren't following the guidelines, shut down and fine the people with house parties.

People who have kept to the restrictions are climbing the walls at this stage! I have seen my folks twice this year...I will be going up at Christmas come what may

retro:electro

If Michael starts sounding off about Christmas tonight I’m just going to switch off. Total insincere drivel to try and win over most of us who are completely and utterly fed up of this nonsense. I’m not arsed about Christmas but any hopes of a decent one are well and truly shot. Retail will be closed until the first week of December, and that’s if we are let out of this hell hole after week six, and if you believe we will be then you’ll believe anything. This is going to continue right throughout December. Tonight is going to be a nauseatingly twee attempt at trying to manipulate public feelings. I don’t trust a word that comes out of their mouths tbh.

I will continue to comply as I always have. I will wear my mask, wash my hands, keep my distance when out and about. I will also reduce my contacts. If I feel symptoms I will happily isolate and I’ll continue on being as responsible as I have been. But if they think for one second I will stop seeing my family they’ve another thing coming.

Rrrrrr2

py2006 wrote: »

Idiotic comment.

Quite representative of the class of people who think the whole thing is a myth and have a selfish disregard for others.

You’ll have to do better than that now if you’re going to debate here. Sticking various labels on and stamping your feet up and down isn’t rational debate and just makes you look rather silly - deconstruct the argument

hynesie08

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Why? What’s stupid is some aunty of yours working in an airport then whining that there’s passengers. The same people that keep her in a job

"When I went to work as a snake handler, I never thought I would get bitten"

_Kaiser_

And so on the day the country announces another massively damaging (and not just economically) lockdown, we have... Zero deaths.

Zardoz

SusieBlue wrote: »

Well, that’s it now lads, Christmas is a write off.

If anyone thinks we’ll wake up on the 1st of December with non essential retail, gyms, hairdressers/barbers restaurants, and pubs open for us to enjoy for the festive season after enduring the ‘circuit breaker’ they’re delusional.

It took the government the guts of 4 months to very slowly allow all those industries reopen last time round, so why on earth would they allow them all open on the one day in 6 weeks time?
The shops will be chaos, and people will be mixing in great numbers after missing out on seeing loved ones for so long again.
The cases will shoot up (as expected, more movement will always = more cases) and they can’t risk that happening this side of 2021, so we’ll be in level 5 until after the new year at a minimum.
They have no problem getting us into these situations but they are too spineless and inept to get us back out.
There is no way they will lift them before Christmas.

I’m absolutely disgusted, appalled and furious but not remotely surprised.
But bring it on I say, because I have intention of complying to the rules as strictly as I did last time and because the public at large are now waking up to the irreparable damage being done to society and economy.
When people realise that this fantasy of having a somewhat normal Christmas is a pipe dream they will be angry that they were duped into another round of lockdown for nothing.
The lack of planning and foresight is inexcusable and they have completely failed us in every sense.

I'm strongly against the lockdown but I honestly couldn't give a damn about Christmas .
Its a horribly over commercialised load of rubbish.
Lets strip it back to its proper meaning .

gmisk

Zardoz wrote: »

I'm strongly against the lockdown but I honestly couldn't give a damn about Christmas .
Its a horribly over commercialised load of rubbish.
Lets strip it back to its proper meaning .

Seeing your family? and in some cases friends you haven't seen all year. That is my Christmas.

Other people care about Christmas you don't have too....it isn't mandatory!

_Kaiser_

gmisk wrote: »

This is spot on imo.

Bring in on the spot fines, come down like a tonne of bricks on businesses who aren't following the guidelines, shut down and fine the people with house parties.

People who have kept to the restrictions are climbing the walls at this stage!

More fool them really if they weren't actually in the vulnerable category

Watching a woman being interviewed on the news here as I type who's about to have her shop closed and I feel genuinely sorry for her, but also because she genuinely seems to believe that we can "save Christmas". The guy who owns the shop next door is similarly hopeful.

I fear they will be in for a nasty shock and all for nothing. We'll get cases down I'm sure, but then what....? It won't stop them increasing again and we'll be back here again

Still very few deaths though I bet.