Schools closed until February? (part 3)

wirelessdude01

tom1ie wrote: »

So parents should take annual leave to allow teachers a day and a half’s worth of free days? Have I picked that up correctly?

The poster saying this is a parent but not a teacher so maybe wind in the indignation.

tom1ie

Stateofyou wrote: »

No, to allow children a break in the exhausting climate of extreme vigilance, and to help stop the spread of Covid and in turn better protect their own families before Christmas so they might be still here to celebrate the next one.

Children don’t need a break they need to be taught by their teachers.

wirelessdude01

tom1ie wrote: »

The unions have suggested this where?
Should we not be expecting our teachers to work more days seen as kids were not in a school environment for such a long time.
I mean the kids education is the important part in all this no?

Question for you. What teaching of any educational value do you think would occur on the 21st and 22nd?

HerrKuehn

SusanC10 wrote: »

But it should be. And just because they are not suggesting it doesn't mean that the Government can't decide it.

The government is happy enough with them working 21st and 22nd. It is the teaching unions that want the days off, so surely up to them to make the suggestion no?

tom1ie

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The poster saying this is a parent but not a teacher so maybe wind in the indignation.

No resentment.
I know nothing of the poster.
I’m putting my thoughts across.
This is a public thread as far as I know.
I’m also a parent and I would prefer if my children are taught in school along with the teaching they get outside school hours as they missed so much school earlier in the year.
Please don’t presume anything about me thanks.

BonsaiKitten

I know of a few private schools who've already decided they're finishing on the 18th. It makes sense to me. Not like you'd be cracking into tricky concepts on the 21st and 22nd, certainly not at primary anyway.

tom1ie

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Question for you. What teaching of any educational value do you think would occur on the 21st and 22nd?

Oh I don’t know the teaching that occurs in school?

tom1ie

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Thats the sensible option in the current climate? make people work more hours in close contact with 100s of other households in the midst of a global pandemic.

So really what your saying is schools should be closed full stop?
I mean just because it’s the run up to Xmas makes no difference right?

wirelessdude01

tom1ie wrote: »

Oh I don’t know the teaching that occurs in school?

Ohh how innocent of you if you think any teaching will occur during either of those two days at either primary or secondary.

tom1ie

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Id gladly take the day and a half unpaid so that i can spend Christmas with my elderly parents and family without worrying who i was in close contact with 2 days prior in a cramped poorly ventilated environment.

So you are suggesting schools spread the virus by stating the above yes?

tom1ie

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ohh how innocent of you if you think any teaching will occur during either of those two days at either primary or secondary.

Surely teaching happens in school no?

Stateofyou

tom1ie wrote: »

Children don’t need a break they need to be taught by their teachers.

Children need both. And to point out, there will be no teaching in those last two days in the run up to Christmas break. They have always been lazy days. So that's a moot point.

Cluedo Monopoly

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Question for you. What teaching of any educational value do you think would occur on the 21st and 22nd?

More than they got in March, April, May and June.

wirelessdude01

tom1ie wrote: »

So really what your saying is schools should be closed full stop?
I mean just because it’s the run up to Xmas makes no difference right?

No you were the one suggesting that schools should be open longer to make up for what you consider to be missed teaching.

wirelessdude01

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

More than they got in March, April, May and June.

If your child had been in my class during those months they would be flying it as teaching continued on as per usual. Wasn't the same format as in the school building but it did happen.

um7y1h83ge06nx

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Question for you. What teaching of any educational value do you think would occur on the 21st and 22nd?

Not much I would say but to be fair to teachers that's not exclusive to them, many office workers etc. start to wind down on the day or two before the Christmas holidays.

If 21st and 22nd are the wind-down days for the holidays and if everyone agrees that the schools finish on the 18th, then the 17th and 18th will become the new wind-down days. I doubt they would be going flat out on the 18th at least.

wirelessdude01

tom1ie wrote: »

Surely teaching happens in school no?

Again it shows how out of touch you really are if you think anything of any substance will, be taught during those two days.

I could probably name 15 out of my class that wouldn't be sent in regardless anyway, whether there was a pandemic or not.

tom1ie

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

No you were the one suggesting that schools should be open longer to make up for what you consider to be missed teaching.

The decision needs to be made if schools are spreading the virus as people on here are suggesting then close them, and obviously this will mean parents can’t work either.

If however schools aren’t spreading the virus well then why would teachers need time off?

There can’t be an in between it’s one or the other, you can’t expect parents to take annual leave to allow teachers a day and a half off as they are tired!
It’s crazy!

iamwhoiam

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

If your child had been in my class during those months they would be flying it as teaching continued on as per usual. Wasn't the same format as in the school building but it did happen.

Are you not working now wirelessdude ?

Boggles

See this is the sort of misplaced animosity you get when a certain narrative is painted.

I see not one person has said on here that it is a bad idea in terms of limiting spread over the holidays - just the usual moan fest at teachers.

Carry on.

wirelessdude01

Armani Gray Redcoat wrote: »

Not much I would say but to be fair to teachers that's not exclusive to them, many office workers etc. start to wind down on the day or two before the Christmas holidays.

If 21st and 22nd are the wind-down days for the holidays and if everyone agrees that the schools finish on the 18th, then the 17th and 18th will become the new wind-down days. I doubt they would be going flat out on the 18th at least.

When I worked in the private sector before retraining, December wasn't a busy month workwise for us anyway. Lots of lunches and networking to get things in the pipeline for the following year.

tom1ie

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Again it shows how out of touch you really are if you think anything of any substance will, be taught during those two days.

I could probably name 15 out of my class that wouldn't be sent in regardless anyway, whether there was a pandemic or not.

Excuse me, less of the insults please.
I have not commented on your state of mind so don’t comment on if I’m out of touch.

The fact is kids go to school to learn.
If the virus is spreading in schools close them and which means parents are off work to mind the kids.
If it’s not spreading why do teachers need a day off?

wirelessdude01

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Are you not working now wirelessdude ?

I've been out for a number of months.

You know this as you already questioned me about it a while back.

Boggles

tom1ie wrote: »

Excuse me, less of the insults please.
I have not commented on your state of mind so don’t comment on if I’m out of touch.

The fact is kids go to school to learn.
If the virus is spreading in schools close them and which means parents are off work to mind the kids.
If it’s not spreading why do teachers need a day off?

It is. I mean, it is.

So you are in favor of shuttering the schools?

That would be a poor idea IMO.

iamwhoiam

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I've been out for a number of months.

You know this as you already questioned me about it a while back.

I didn’t ?
Sorry to hear that , I hope you are ok

tom1ie

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

When I worked in the private sector before retraining, December wasn't a busy month workwise for us anyway. Lots of lunches and networking to get things in the pipeline for the following year.

So what about the parents that will be forced to take AL to allow schools to close early?

wirelessdude01

tom1ie wrote: »

Excuse me, less of the insults please.
I have not commented on your state of mind so don’t comment on if I’m out of touch.

No one mentioned your state of mind except your good self so maybe have a word with yourself then.

Stateofyou

Armani Gray Redcoat wrote: »

Not much I would say but to be fair to teachers that's not exclusive to them, many office workers etc. start to wind down on the day or two before the Christmas holidays.

If 21st and 22nd are the wind-down days for the holidays and if everyone agrees that the schools finish on the 18th, then the 17th and 18th will become the new wind-down days. I doubt they would be going flat out on the 18th at least.

There is nothing wrong with that. Children enjoy the wind down days. The point, and the most important consideration here in closing earlier is in prioritising the health of children and their families to hopefully have a safe and happy Christmas. These aren't normal times, and with the reality of vaccines in the near future it won't be for much longer. It's hardly going to affect their education in the long run, but their families becoming sick or god forbid in hospital is what is far worse in the long run.

meeeeh

Stateofyou wrote: »

No, to allow children a break in the exhausting climate of extreme vigilance, and to help stop the spread of Covid and in turn better protect their own families before Christmas so they might be still here to celebrate the next one.

If you want to protect your vulnerable parent then take your kids out on 11th or is there some new advice that we should all follow. Should we only self isolate 7 days now? Or are you using safety as an excuse for whatever other reason.

Stateofyou

tom1ie wrote: »

So what about the parents that will be forced to take AL to allow schools to close early?

They will have a safer Christmas for their families and loved ones. Their children will have a much needed break from the covid school climate and cold classrooms. Win win.