Will there be another lockdown?

Sheepdish1

Do any of you think there will be another lockdown coming into the winter months? The cases seem to be climbing but at least we know where they are originating from now which is good. Hospitals are managing pretty well too!

If cases go high along with hospital admissions will the country lockdown again to keep our healthcare system functioning?

MadYaker

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Do any of you think there will be another lockdown coming into the winter months? The cases seem to be climbing but at least we know where they are originating from now which is good. Hospitals are managing pretty well too!

If cases go high along with hospital admissions will the country lockdown again to keep our healthcare system functioning?

We will if we have to but I don’t think it’ll be necessary. It has happened in other countries. The government also didn’t dismiss the idea of regional lockdowns when asked about it yesterday. I think that is more likely than a full return to lockdown.

Oranage2

Looks like we'll follow trend and see what other countries are doing. We've a low population density that centralized to a few major cities and we're also a small island so we have a major advantage in fighting this virus.

We could and should have reduced the cases to close to zero but we didn't and I don't believe the government is being honest with the numbers when it comes to how many cases came from abroad. Just it seems suspicious that the majority of the recent cases are from factories that employ a lot of foreign nationals and also refugee camps.

We need some sort of border control, I know there's the blah blah blah crowd saying it's not possible, but some restrictions are better than nothing. I know we can't follow the New Zealand model but other countries with restrictions are doing well like China, Korea and Thailand.

As for the another lockdown, it looks likely, numbers are growing and if we open up the schools and force the public servants back to work then it will increase numbers until its out of control again,also the longer we delay the inevitable the worse it is for the economy.

A lockdown is the right thing to do but the people aren't ready, the government are unpopular as it is and are going to wait until the numbers are at a dangerous level again so they can say they tried but another lockdown is needed.

So to summarize we need incoming passanger restrictions, we need another lockdown now in order to open up and give the economy a boom around christmas. The government are too afraid to do the right thing so expect a lockdown October to November

Yes, another Lockdown is inevitable.

The real question is will the usual suspects bother to act like they're going along with it: no.

Some Rural TDs are no help, as are some radio personalities.

According to their mind the vast majority Irish citizens are being great in their coping with this Covid pandemic

JustAThought

Look at the gov.ie site today - mind you, you have to really dig to find it - advisong people in kilkenny, laois and Offally to self isolate Nd elderly people to go back cocooning.

Wiat til the schools go back - its going to be a massacre.

I’d also say there are a lot more cases and people not reporting or spending the r60 on a doctor for a ‘we have no pill or cure, wait Nd see diagnosis’.

+1 about seriously needing to restrict people leaving the country and people coming in on holidays/to visit ‘family’. We have policies set in our major hospitals that make it almost impossible for an elderly 60y old+ male with a heart or health issue to get selected for ICU treatment because of capacity issues yet if a tourist come ls here and flls ill and is under 60 they will get an ICU bed - beggars belief.

Yes - I predict a crisis that will eventually force our government to put people before economics. Unlike now.

Quantum Erasure

Canis Lupus

Probably? Over here in Australia they started easing and now it's blown up again. I don't really see how a highly infectious virus won't spread until (if?) there's a vaccine.

Clonmel1000

JustAThought wrote: »

Look at the gov.ie site today - mind you, you have to really dig to find it - advisong people in kilkenny, laois and Offally to self isolate Nd elderly people to go back cocooning.

Wiat til the schools go back - its going to be a massacre.

I’d also say there are a lot more cases and people not reporting or spending the r60 on a doctor for a ‘we have no pill or cure, wait Nd see diagnosis’.

+1 about seriously needing to restrict people leaving the country and people coming in on holidays/to visit ‘family’. We have policies set in our major hospitals that make it almost impossible for an elderly 60y old+ male with a heart or health issue to get selected for ICU treatment because of capacity issues yet if a tourist come ls here and flls ill and is under 60 they will get an ICU bed - beggars belief.

Yes - I predict a crisis that will eventually force our government to put people before economics. Unlike now.

So it’s all the tourists fault then is it?

Del Griffith

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, another Lockdown is inevitable.

The real question is will the usual suspects bother to act like they're going along with it: no.

Some Rural TDs are no help, as are some radio personalities.

According to their mind the vast majority Irish citizens are being great in their coping with this Covid pandemic

The vast majority are though, that's the thing.

Wanderer78

Clonmel1000 wrote:

So it’s all the tourists fault then is it?

Reckon it's the fault of those pesky dole scroungers myself

MarkR

I think that they will introduce some new measures very soon, in order to knock it back before school is due to start.

Dempo1

This is alarming, I live in a very rural location in one of the counties mentioned. This will have enormous implications if individual counties are locked down. Very worrying

Localised ones yes. Coming quite soon I’d think.

Dempo1

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Reckon it's the fault of those pesky dole scroungers myself

Not a very helpful comment, you might find and increase in PUP recepients very soon if counties are locked down.

Dempo1

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Localised ones yes. Coming quite soon I’d think.

Yes looking that way, this is awful

Wanderer78

Dempo1 wrote:

Not a very helpful comment, you might find and increase in PUP recepients very soon if counties are locked down.

Might as well get the dole bashing outta the way, unfortunately this virus is gonna be a pain in the arse, we ll be opening and closing for a while yet, increases in pup payments are the least of our worries

Dempo1

Dempo1 wrote: »

Yes looking that way, this is awful

People flouting regulations and guidelines is what’s awful because that’s what’s causing it.

We need to grow up once and for all and stop the “be grand” attitude and everyone suiting themselves. Time to start calling out individuals in shops, etc and reporting businesses that aren’t doing what they’re supposed to.

Dempo1

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Might as well get the dole bashing outta the way, unfortunately this virus is gonna be a pain in the arse, we ll be opening and closing for a while yet, increases in pup payments are the least of our worries

True enough, my own village has already ordered tumble weed as part of its new abandoned look, not sure how tidy towns will react

thomasdylan

JustAThought wrote: »

+1 about seriously needing to restrict people leaving the country and people coming in on holidays/to visit ‘family’. We have policies set in our major hospitals that make it almost impossible for an elderly 60y old+ male with a heart or health issue to get selected for ICU treatment because of capacity issues yet if a tourist come ls here and flls ill and is under 60 they will get an ICU bed - beggars belief.

Yes - I predict a crisis that will eventually force our government to put people before economics. Unlike now.

This isn't true at all. I'd say most people in ICU right now are 60+. You don't know what you're talking about.

beggars_bush

Close all off licences in Laois, offaly and Kildare for 2 weeks

Foggy Jew

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

People flouting regulations and guidelines is what’s awful because that’s what’s causing it.

We need to grow up once and for all and stop the “be grand” attitude and everyone suiting themselves. Time to start calling out individuals in shops, etc and reporting businesses that aren’t doing what they’re supposed to.

+1000.

beggars_bush

beggars_bush wrote: »

Close all off licences in Laois, offaly and Kildare for 2 weeks

Wouldn’t be a bad idea. The gastro pubs and specialist food shops too. If you’re going that route then let everyone do a basic shop in one of the supermarkets and nothing more.

gooseygander

beggars_bush wrote: »

Close all off licences in Laois, offaly and Kildare for 2 weeks

Yep and get everybody in these counties to drive to neighboring counties off licenses for the beer and wine. Crazy suggestion imo

is_that_so

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

People flouting regulations and guidelines is what’s awful because that’s what’s causing it.

We need to grow up once and for all and stop the “be grand” attitude and everyone suiting themselves. Time to start calling out individuals in shops, etc and reporting businesses that aren’t doing what they’re supposed to.

Yeah that's a great plan, create conflict where none exists. What is causing it at present is a number of large clusters linked to certain environments, it is still very low in the community despite all the "flouting" you're evidently looking out for.

is_that_so

JustAThought wrote: »

Look at the gov.ie site today - mind you, you have to really dig to find it - advisong people in kilkenny, laois and Offally to self isolate Nd elderly people to go back cocooning.

Wiat til the schools go back - its going to be a massacre.

I’d also say there are a lot more cases and people not reporting or spending the r60 on a doctor for a ‘we have no pill or cure, wait Nd see diagnosis’.

+1 about seriously needing to restrict people leaving the country and people coming in on holidays/to visit ‘family’. We have policies set in our major hospitals that make it almost impossible for an elderly 60y old+ male with a heart or health issue to get selected for ICU treatment because of capacity issues yet if a tourist come ls here and flls ill and is under 60 they will get an ICU bed - beggars belief.

Yes - I predict a crisis that will eventually force our government to put people before economics. Unlike now.

This is about the sixth time the world has come to an end in the last six months and yet we're still here. There will be a level of cases so people need to get used to it. Hospitals have low numbers of cases and what we see at present is largely cluster related and not all over the place. These two things are good for disease management.

gooseygander

gooseygander wrote: »

Yep and get everybody in these counties to drive to neighboring counties off licenses for the beer and wine. Crazy suggestion imo

Checkpoints, address checks, and absolutely hop off them with fines if they do.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah that's a great plan, create conflict where none exists. What is causing it at present is a number of large clusters linked to certain environments, it is still very low in the community despite all the "flouting" you're evidently looking out for.

All I read there is that you want to tell yourself whatever so you can suit yourself and not be inconvenienced.

Dempo1

JustAThought wrote: »

Look at the gov.ie site today - mind you, you have to really dig to find it - advisong people in kilkenny, laois and Offally to self isolate Nd elderly people to go back cocooning.

Wiat til the schools go back - its going to be a massacre.

I’d also say there are a lot more cases and people not reporting or spending the r60 on a doctor for a ‘we have no pill or cure, wait Nd see diagnosis’.

+1 about seriously needing to restrict people leaving the country and people coming in on holidays/to visit ‘family’. We have policies set in our major hospitals that make it almost impossible for an elderly 60y old+ male with a heart or health issue to get selected for ICU treatment because of capacity issues yet if a tourist come ls here and flls ill and is under 60 they will get an ICU bed - beggars belief.

Yes - I predict a crisis that will eventually force our government to put people before economics. Unlike now.

I presume you mean Kildare, not Kilkenny?

jarvis

So let’s say they lockdown the 3 counties. What about a person who lives in Naas and works in Dublin? Would they be allowed cross the border to Dublin? What if they’re a nurse as one example or a waiter in a gastro pub as a second example?

Seamai

I think we're looking at regional lockdowns very shortly, in a way these might be harder to implement than a countrywide one and will only work if (and I don't like using this word) policed properly, most people will do the right thing but there is a substantial minority who think rules and recommendations are for everyone else but not them.

is_that_so

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

All I read there is that you want to tell yourself whatever so you can suit yourself and not be inconvenienced.

You really got all of this from two lines?

jarvis

jarvis wrote: »

So let’s say they lockdown the 3 counties. What about a person who lives in Naas and works in Dublin? Would they be allowed cross the border to Dublin? What if they’re a nurse as one example or a waiter in a gastro pub as a second example?

Better people than us can decide the latter, but we used employer letters before during the nationwide lockdown so they could be used to commuting again.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

You really got all of this from two lines?

That’s all any of the excuses mean.

jarvis

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Better people than us can decide the latter, but we used employer letters before during the nationwide lockdown so they could be used to commuting again.

Yeah I thought that but then I thought a regional lockdown would be because there’s a bigger outbreak in a location so those people would be considered to be potentially more likely to be carriers. Would a letter be ok in that instance?
Also, I had to work and had a letter during lockdown. Got stopped a lot of times and only once was the letter looked at.

is_that_so

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s all any of the excuses mean.

I drew attention to your brand of covigilantism, nothing more but feel free to make it into anything you want to.

Hiding from a disease won't achieve much unless you can be certain that a vaccine is on the way soon.

robbiezero

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

All I read there is that you want to tell yourself whatever so you can suit yourself and not be inconvenienced.

Is that not what the CMO is saying also. You appear to be the one with the narrative.

robbiezero

robbiezero wrote: »

Is that not what the CMO is saying also. You appear to be the one with the narrative.

For some reason both they and the government seem to be very reluctant to criticise the public in the press conferences which only fuels the problems more. They should be hammering the public for the way we’ve acted.

Seamai

Seamai wrote: »

I think we're looking at regional lockdowns very shortly, in a way these might be harder to implement than a countrywide one and will only work if (and I don't like using this word) policed properly, most people will do the right thing but there is a substantial minority who think rules and recommendations are for everyone else but not them.

This is peak holiday season. People have booked hotels and houses paying a lot of money most of which will be non refundable a few days out from due date. We’ve been encouraged to staycate and that’s what most sensible people are doing, trying to get the economy going.

If Individual counties get locked down now there will be rebellion and IMHO rightly so.

brick tamland

Oranage2 wrote: »

Looks like we'll follow trend and see what other countries are doing. We've a low population density that centralized to a few major cities and we're also a small island so we have a major advantage in fighting this virus.

We could and should have reduced the cases to close to zero but we didn't and I don't believe the government is being honest with the numbers when it comes to how many cases came from abroad. Just it seems suspicious that the majority of the recent cases are from factories that employ a lot of foreign nationals and also refugee camps.

We need some sort of border control, I know there's the blah blah blah crowd saying it's not possible, but some restrictions are better than nothing. I know we can't follow the New Zealand model but other countries with restrictions are doing well like China, Korea and Thailand.

This exactly

all the panic over 100 of yanks coming on holiday, i reckon the real problem is this. People living here and travelling to from there other countries and bringing back the virus. we seen the same in sligo a few weeks ago. More controls needed.

Lockdowns are 100% pointless without it.

gw80

brick tamland wrote: »

This exactly

all the panic over 100 of yanks coming on holiday, i reckon the real problem is this. People living here and travelling to from there other countries and bringing back the virus. we seen the same in sligo a few weeks ago. More controls needed.

Lockdowns are 100% pointless without it.

How about we send these foreign nationals home and give the work to unemployed natives.
I know, I'm practically Hitler.

nthclare

brick tamland wrote: »

This exactly

all the panic over 100 of yanks coming on holiday, i reckon the real problem is this. People living here and travelling to from there other countries and bringing back the virus. we seen the same in sligo a few weeks ago. More controls needed.

Lockdowns are 100% pointless without it.

Driving through Liscannor yesterday evening, the place was absolutely wedged.
Drive through Doolin and it's similar

Mostly Mercedes, BMW's and SUV's obviously wealthy people, or the fur coat and no knickers brigade.

The same as it ever was, middle class yuppies all converging in the same spots.
And none of the registrations are local either.

Gods Gift

Napalm laois Offaly and Kildare.

And Cavan.

SusanC10

Ok, so we Lockdown individual Counties. Will you still be able to.drive through them ie M7 ?
If you are on holidays or visiting family in a County that is locked down, can you return to your home County?
What if you live very close to a County border and one County is locked down and the other isn't?

Personally, I think Ireland is too small for that to work.

Atlantic Dawn

Closing a meat factory when a single case was positive would have been so much cheaper and safer for the country.

Atlantic Dawn

SusanC10 wrote: »

Ok, so we Lockdown individual Counties. Will you still be able to.drive through them ie M7 ?
If you are on holidays in a County than is locked down, can you return to your home County?
What if you live very close to a County border and one County is locked down and the other isn't?

Personally, I think Ireland is too small for that to work.

Put your windows up and lock your doors, stop for nobody, lol.

brick tamland

gw80 wrote: »

How about we send these foreign nationals home and give the work to unemployed natives.
I know, I'm practically Hitler.

The problem Mr Hitler is the unemplyed "natives" wont do that kind of work.

If we are going to use cheap foreign labour, we need to control our borders better, and also have the management of the DP and factorys enforce tighter controls.

SusanC10

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Closing a meat factory when a single case was positive would have been so much cheaper and safer for the country.

Indeed.

Mr_Muffin

I think so, yes.

The easing of restrictions has caused an upward trend of cases. This will only increase once the schools reopen and autumn/winter sets in.

Anecdotal, but from own experience, people were only really following the lock down rules at the beginning. After a couple of weeks it was house party after house party in the area I live in, and social media showed a similar story. I live in a smallish town were it wasn't really being enforced in my opinion. The same will happen in the next lock down.

DellyBelly

When there is a lockdown in a particular area could we get the people in that area to wear something like a yellow star on their clothes to identify them.. Or something like that. That way they could be prevented from entering supermarkets etc..

Snow Garden

It's time to blow up the bridges along the Shannon.