Will there be another lockdown?

JP Liz V1

Local papers has Limerick and Tipperary next for lockdown

jaxxx

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Local papers has Limerick and Tipperary next for lockdown

Oh ffs.. .. ..


Quick, anyone know someone on one of them islands I can live with for a few months??

giveitholly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Local papers has Limerick and Tipperary next for lockdown

Regarding Tipp,it all depends on how bad the cluster in Golden is going to be. NO one knows at the moment so anyone saying tipp will be going into lockdown are talking through their arse, And this is not a dig at you JP,I know you are only posting what is being reported

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

25 community transmission cases today....virus is rampant....dublin needs locking down

Loads of folk have abandoned social distancing since masks became mandatory

LessOutragePlz

A prolonged 146 day Lockdown has not worked in Argentina at all.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-08-12/after-146-days-in-lockdown-argentina-hasn-t-peaked-latam-wrap?__twitter_impression=true

After 146 Days in Lockdown, Argentina’s Virus Problem Is Getting Worse

SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Surely most practical solution is to keep secondary students in one classroom.and have teacher come/go as much as possible


And have a deep clean in science rooms/gyms every evening,with a wipedown between classes.......


.we have had months to prepare and from.what i see,zero effort has been made to make a zoom type platform available,or any practical proposals from anyone

I finished school over 10 years ago and my secondary school operated (and still operates) like this with no issues.
The rule was brought in to stop students dawdling and messing in between classes and wasting time.
The teachers would all move in between classes instead of us and as a result, there was less class time wasted and less human traffic in the stairs and corridors.
The only time we moved classrooms was to go to the science lab, home ec kitchen or to the hall for PE.

It’s a really practical solution to keep the different classes and year groups separated and stop them from mixing.
I would think if they did this then masks may not be necessary while students are seated because they won’t be in close contact with other students outside their class.

beauf

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

A prolonged 146 day Lockdown has not worked in Argentina at all.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-08-12/after-146-days-in-lockdown-argentina-hasn-t-peaked-latam-wrap?__twitter_impression=true

After 146 Days in Lockdown, Argentina’s Virus Problem Is Getting Worse

Its having a surge. But they have held it at bay for a long time.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1114603/latin-america-coronavirus-mortality-rate/

smellyoldboot

Only a matter of when. I predict we won't even get to school reopening before we're back in it.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

25 community transmission cases today....virus is rampant....dublin needs locking down

After we do that and then see the decrease in cases before another rise, what do you suggest then?

Szero

The speculation continues that Tipperary will go into lockdown.

Something needs to be done to help make getting kids to school safe. You can't have office workers return in September (and I have heard stories of companies sending their staff back in September) and school kids at the same time. Public transport will be jammed and the virus risk will accelerate.

There is logic to telling office workers to all work from home for the remainder of the year, and thus make transport safe for the kids. We need to make sacrifices to ensure kids can go back. Good employers will do this off their own bat, the government needs to force other employers to follow suit.

beggars_bush

Surely something has to be done in Dublin?

whisky_galore

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Close all the meat factories down, I will gladly go without meat rather than having to restrict my life in some pointless box-ticking exercise.

Do you think plant processing and packaging your veg are going to be different?? They all have min wage workers under similar conditions. Your imported veg might well be grown using migrant labour. Looks like you'll have to bugger off and grow your own, good luck with that.

lee_baby_simms

beauf wrote: »

Its having a surge. But they have held it at bay for a long time.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1114603/latin-america-coronavirus-mortality-rate/

Yes they have. At huge economic cost. Now people are dying from it. So what was the point?

MickeyLeari

beggars_bush wrote: »

Surely something has to be done in Dublin?

Absolutely. Invest in infrastructure in Dublin rather than all those transfers going to other counties.

is_that_so

Augeo wrote: »

Loads of folk have abandoned social distancing since masks became mandatory

This is quite possible and was pointed out by Holohan way back; that they can give wearers a sense of invincibility. It's distancing and other actions that have a far greater effect. What has also probably exacerbated the situation is the amount of absolutely necessary holiday movement within the country.

As for a new lockdown, I'm not sure. They may consider localised ones first and other tweaks. The 200 cases is evidence that we are testing a lot and that there is disease management going on. I think we've another "the next 7-14 days are very important" moment. As Glynn keeps saying it's trends they are looking at as individual daily totals can yo-yo.

GazzaL

If stupidity is infectious, they'll have to lockdown Dublin.

is_that_so

Szero wrote: »

The speculation continues that Tipperary will go into lockdown.

Something needs to be done to help make getting kids to school safe. You can't have office workers return in September (and I have heard stories of companies sending their staff back in September) and school kids at the same time. Public transport will be jammed and the virus risk will accelerate.

There is logic to telling office workers to all work from home for the remainder of the year, and thus make transport safe for the kids. We need to make sacrifices to ensure kids can go back. Good employers will do this off their own bat, the government needs to force other employers to follow suit.

Both will have to be addressed at the same time. Quite a few companies will be going back in September but on rolling numbers of about 20-30%. There's only so far WFH will take you.
Schools must open as well, it has been done elsewhere. Not to do so would be a failure of government.
To do both we need to see containment of these clusters but we need to accept there will be cases for a long time to come.

lulublue22

SusieBlue wrote: »

I finished school over 10 years ago and my secondary school operated (and still operates) like this with no issues.
The rule was brought in to stop students dawdling and messing in between classes and wasting time.
The teachers would all move in between classes instead of us and as a result, there was less class time wasted and less human traffic in the stairs and corridors.
The only time we moved classrooms was to go to the science lab, home ec kitchen or to the hall for PE.

It’s a really practical solution to keep the different classes and year groups separated and stop them from mixing.
I would think if they did this then masks may not be necessary while students are seated because they won’t be in close contact with other students outside their class.

How on earth did that work in relation to subject choices? For senior cycle in our local secondary students have a base class . however you need to factor in the various levels HL / OL in the core subjects - English , Irish and Maths and then subject choices of science - physics chemistry biology , then a language - French , German then music / art , applied maths , history , Geography. That is the range if subjects available all subjects are available at HL / OL . I don’t know as it is not relevant to my child but I presume the school offers foundation level for those who need it. I have no idea how static base classes can be implemented to cover the above scenario.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Keep at it,until theres no cases untraced

There people coming in/out of dublin (or anywhere else with untraced cases),travelling all over state on staycations,potentially spreading it unawares

Whats point of rest of country staying home/isolated,if we simply give up now,this time next year,hopefully we will all be laughing about it

Can you explain how this would work?

I understand the zero covid strategy. New Zealand had success with it for a time. Is your idea the same only instead of a closed border and tight restrictions for a period of time,
It would be lockdown/open/lockdown?

beauf

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Yes they have. At huge economic cost. Now people are dying from it. So what was the point?

It would be much worse without it. The States and the UK proved that without a doubt.

The problem with Covid is that it hits the poorest hardest as it's harder for them to social distance in overcrowded housing, then economically they are forced back to work before other people because they can't work from home usually and they need money more urgently.

The point of the lock down is to take the pressure of the hospital's. Otherwise they would be overrun.

As people go back to work here, we are also having a surge.

beauf

lulublue22 wrote: »

How on earth did that work in relation to subject choices? For senior cycle in our local secondary students have a base class . however you need to factor in the various levels HL / OL in the core subjects - English , Irish and Maths and then subject choices of science - physics chemistry biology , then a language - French , German then music / art , applied maths , history , Geography. That is the range if subjects available all subjects are available at HL / OL . I don’t know as it is not relevant to my child but I presume the school offers foundation level for those who need it. I have no idea how static base classes can be implemented to cover the above scenario.

When I was in school we didn't move for every class. We only moved for certain classes, then it was only a sub set of all students. So far fewer students.

Lundstram

gral6 wrote: »

Dublin is behaving! Why the rest of the country is so reckless?

This aged well.

lulublue22

beauf wrote: »

When I was in school we didn't move for every class. We only moved for certain classes, then it was only a sub set of all students. So far fewer students.

The same here but and I’m only talking about my own children's school given the size of the school , subject choice and levels available there will still be substantial moving. It would be a logistical nightmare trying to create static base classes from the above choices. There are less options at jc so probably easier but still a number of subject choices.

bluelamp

I think cases will remain high from here on tbh.

Theres no point being unrealistic about this, its human nature that people are tiring of the rules. At any one time, it is as compliant as it will be - people will stray further and further as time goes on. That's a fact.

Just look at the videos from dame lane last night - young people are pushing on regardless. Youd be naive to think this wouldn't happen eventually.

Does anyone really think that young people wont have parties, go out, have sex, share a cigarette etc? That's just life. Its going to happen.

On the bright side - our death rate is tiny and hasn't been climbing. I know the argument "three week lag.." but we have heard that so many times and it hasn't played out that way.

I know it's an emotive subject, but saying we should fine everyone, ban flights, lockdown etc will not work anymore - its flogging a dead horse. The younger generation (rightly or wrongly) will not put up with it, and the government are well aware of that.

I dont have the solution - but I can see that we are at nothing thinking the current set up will work endlessly.

bluelamp

bluelamp wrote: »

I think cases will remain high from here on tbh.

Theres no point being unrealistic about this, its human nature that people are tiring of the rules. At any one time, it is as compliant as it will be - people will stray further and further as time goes on. That's a fact.

Just look at the videos from dame lane last night - young people are pushing on regardless. Youd be naive to think this wouldn't happen eventually.

Does anyone really think that young people wont have parties, go out, have sex, share a cigarette etc? That's just life. Its going to happen.

On the bright side - our death rate is tiny and hasn't been climbing. I know the argument "three week lag.." but we have heard that so many times and it hasn't played out that way.

I know it's an emotive subject, but saying we should fine everyone, ban flights, lockdown etc will not work anymore - its flogging a dead horse. The younger generation (rightly or wrongly) will not put up with it, and the government are well aware of that.

I dont have the solution - but I can see that we are at nothing thinking the current set up will work endlessly.

It shouldn’t be accepted ‘just because’ though. Hammer people and make them afraid to break the rules whether they’re bored or not.

road_high

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It shouldn’t be accepted ‘just because’ though. Hammer people and make them afraid to break the rules whether they’re bored or not.

I think the posters post is rightly pointing out that we’ve flogged that dead horse to death. Fine them, dump them in concentration camps...people will find a way to just...live.
And there’s nothing all the finger waving in the world can do about it

bluelamp

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It shouldn’t be accepted ‘just because’ though. Hammer people and make them afraid to break the rules whether they’re bored or not.

Never going to happen. Even in the *never going to happen* scenario of the government deciding they will "hammer" people, and make people too scared to brake rules - how would that even be possible?

Riots on the streets come to mind.

Again - another example of naive thinking. Time to be pragmatic about our approach.

People screaming about us needing to seal our borders and lockdown like New Zealand etc are doing more harm than good.

Lundstram

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It shouldn’t be accepted ‘just because’ though. Hammer people and make them afraid to break the rules whether they’re bored or not.

Imagine trying to make teenagers and early 20s afraid to interact with their friends, afraid to have a few drinks and a dance, afraid to shift, afraid to ride, afraid to live.

Get a grip of yourself. :rolleyes:

Jinglejangle69

road_high wrote: »

I think the posters post is rightly pointing out that we’ve flogged that dead horse to death. Fine them, dump them in concentration camps...people will find a way to just...live.
And there’s nothing all the finger waving in the world can do about it

100%.

Deaths are so low.

You have more chance of dying when you get into your car today.

Absolute fear and scaremongering.

road_high

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100%.

Deaths are so low.

You have more chance of dying when you get into your car today.

Absolute fear and scaremongering.

I think what’s happening is many in the population are reading the stats and making their own conclusions. Finger wave all you like but that’s what’s going on. Many just aren’t scared anymore

Jinglejangle69

road_high wrote: »

I think what’s happening is many in the population are reading the stats and making their own conclusions. Finger wave all you like but that’s what’s going on. Many just aren’t scared anymore

Only so long you can keep people from living their lives.

At some point human nature will start asking what's the point if we can't enjoy it.

antimatterx

I think we'll be in lockdown again soon. The cases are getting very high again (better go get that haircut!)

bluelamp

antimatterx wrote: »

I think we'll be in lockdown again soon. The cases are getting very high again (better go get that haircut!)

Lockdown in name only perhaps. Theres a significant cohort of people who will be pushing on with life regardless. The days of lockdown are done.

gifted

Can't see another lock down....government only aim now is to get schools back up and running, that's it....doesn't matter if the numbers go even higher, all you will hear from the ministers is the same things they are saying now.....same warnings every time....just repeat and warn again.

Jinglejangle69

gifted wrote: »

Can't see another lock down....government only aim now is to get schools back up and running, that's it....doesn't matter if the numbers go even higher, all you will hear from the ministers is the same things they are saying now.....same warnings every time....just repeat and warn again.

Good.

Thierry12

gifted wrote: »

Can't see another lock down....government only aim now is to get schools back up and running, that's it....doesn't matter if the numbers go even higher, all you will hear from the ministers is the same things they are saying now.....same warnings every time....just repeat and warn again.

Think the Germans need to step in at this stage and lay it all out

Got bills to pay boys, it might never happen, back to work

cherryghost

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

A prolonged 146 day Lockdown has not worked in Argentina at all.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-08-12/after-146-days-in-lockdown-argentina-hasn-t-peaked-latam-wrap?__twitter_impression=true

After 146 Days in Lockdown, Argentina’s Virus Problem Is Getting Worse

I know plenty of people living in Argentina, and many people shrugged off lockdown. The clusters originally started in shanty towns and shacks, and people living off no money cant sit inside and do nothing. So they set out and did their stuff. Poor people in Argentina do not beg for money. They offer to do a job for you (and a minority threat your parked car damage without an advanced payment), they came door-to-door offering services, and it spread through middle-upper class neighbourhoods this way.

By June most people had enough. The welfare Argentina offered is nowhere near enough for a living and many people got on with their lives. Many places flouted lockdown and re-opened and protests on streets happened in every major city, and police forces backed down.

A lot of people I know flouted lockdown too, went to house gatherings, bars, boat trips etc. Genuinely shocked, and my wife (who is from Argentina) was in disbelief some of her friends would do something like this.

The International airport is due to reopen in 2 weeks. My mother-in-law was supposed to come to welcome the arrival of our second child. All up in the air whether flights will actually resume, and frankly not sure I want her here (similar situation happened in March when she was in Italy)

road_high

antimatterx wrote: »

I think we'll be in lockdown again soon. The cases are getting very high again (better go get that haircut!)

The last one being such a resounding success let’s do it again two months later...
We can’t afford another lockdown like March. Business took a lot in the chin but won’t this time as we’ve seen in LOK

beauf

Thierry12 wrote: »

Think the Germans need to step in at this stage and lay it all out

Got bills to pay boys, it might never happen, back to work

You might soon have medical bills to pay on top so.

Quite a few people some quite young said that even after recovering from covid they are still unable to get back to normal life because of the after effects.

But it's not practical to stop everything. Let things go back that don't cause outbreaks. Any where there's a break out lock down that activity.

nigeldaniel

In relation to the OP, I would not complain about another lockdown myself. With the winter around the corner and the potential of other viruses adding to the mix, people might be better of keeping a close and wary eye on things.
The common flu or cold bug could spark a big panic on some people so maybe some kind of publicity to this matter might be considered.

rtron

We're the pubs in dame lame this much craic before covid started?
Seriously I think we are headed for a regional lockdown when the schools reopen.

Snow Garden

I need a lockdown. Bloody wrecked. As long as the schools open.

growleaves

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It shouldn’t be accepted ‘just because’ though. Hammer people and make them afraid to break the rules whether they’re bored or not.

Leo Varadkar acknowledged at the start of this thing that the restrictions "cannot be sustained."

That is the obvious price to pay for insisting on containment methods which are unusually extreme and anti-social.

What a ridiculous sentiment, 'Hammer people'! Cop on

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No....its just zero untraced cases.....anywhere with outbreaks of untraced cases can in theory get out of control v.quickly and needs closing down until gone


Its said italys outbreak came from 1 person in/out of hospiteal multiple times,and not chinese tourists skiing.......

anyone coming in on holidays etc should be made get the tracing app,and tested aswell......waterford has 5 different meat factories in its suburbs,which i deal with through work,kind of resigned to a lockdown here aswell at some stage

I think the only way we could have zero cases in a county is by closing its borders. That means no travel for work. I'm not sure if people realise what is actually required for Covid to be eliminated. Actually I don't believe it can be.

We are dealing with a highly infectious disease here. Until there is a vaccine it isn't going anywhere. Living with the assumption there will be, putting everything on hold is madness to me. What we need to do as a country is find a way to manage and live.

Since it began I have been caring in my own way and making my own judgement calls. For example I've no issue with being out in the world but I'm not going to be in close proximity with one or more for any length of time. I'm not comfortable with that. I've the hands washed off me as well.

That's how we live in a Covid world. We measure the risks, we make decisions, we inform ourselves about what is safe and what isn't.

i_surge

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the only way we could have zero cases in a county is by closing its borders. That means no travel for work. I'm not sure if people realise what is actually required for Covid to be eliminated. Actually I don't believe it can be.

We are dealing with a highly infectious disease here. Until there is a vaccine it isn't going anywhere. Living with the assumption there will be, putting everything on hold is madness to me. What we need to do as a country is find a way to manage and live.

Since it began I have been caring in my own way and making my own judgement calls. For example I've no issue with being out in the world but I'm not going to be in close proximity with one or more for any length of time. I'm not comfortable with that. I've the hands washed off me as well.

That's how we live in a Covid world. We measure the risks, we make decisions, we inform ourselves about what is safe and what isn't.

Unless you are travelling to perform a physical task there should be no work travel.

Mr. Karate

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Do any of you think there will be another lockdown coming into the winter months? The cases seem to be climbing but at least we know where they are originating from now which is good. Hospitals are managing pretty well too!

If cases go high along with hospital admissions will the country lockdown again to keep our healthcare system functioning?

They've been dying to lock us down again since even before we started re opening.

They'll try to find some reason to lock us down again.

i_surge

i_surge wrote: »

Unless you are travelling to perform a physical task there should be no work travel.

Yes that's what would be required to attempt an elimination of Covid.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes that's what would be required to attempt an elimination of Covid.

We're not trying to eliminate it, just suppress it to as low a number as we can.

gral6

i_surge wrote: »

Unless you are travelling to perform a physical task there should be no work travel.

This is not a state's business wherther I travel or not.

i_surge

gral6 wrote: »

This is not a state's business wherther I travel or not.

During a pandemic it is, and everyone else's business too.