Will there be another lockdown?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Noone is saying no covid cases??

No unknown origin cases is what is looked for,as they cant be traced and can be spreading to hundreds before picked up (1 lad in kildare chilling infected 83)


How can yous talk/trust your neighbour or anyone about,if you know its spreading about in your community from an unknown source?


....deosnt seem much of life for me tbh,and how people can propose managing something from an unknown source to me,seems a misnomer tbh......

keep.lockdowns where unknown sources are....until.they found seems like commonsense tbh?

Ah. Ok. The objective is to not have cases where we don't know the origin. So no community transmission? I'm just trying to understand.

As for trusting and talking? I can't live a life without human connection. If the virus is in the community then that won't cause me to not speak to people. I will continue as I have been. Socially distant interactions and lots of hand sanitising.

Tenzor07

i_surge wrote: »

During a pandemic it is, and everyone else's business too.

How would I go about informing everyone about any travel I will take? Social media, boards.ie or just email Leo?

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

We're not trying to eliminate it, just suppress it to as low a number as we can.

I wonder what that number looks like and what will happen when we reach it.

Flyer1

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the only way we could have zero cases in a county is by closing its borders. That means no travel for work. I'm not sure if people realise what is actually required for Covid to be eliminated. Actually I don't believe it can be.

We are dealing with a highly infectious disease here. Until there is a vaccine it isn't going anywhere. Living with the assumption there will be, putting everything on hold is madness to me. What we need to do as a country is find a way to manage and live.

Since it began I have been caring in my own way and making my own judgement calls. For example I've no issue with being out in the world but I'm not going to be in close proximity with one or more for any length of time. I'm not comfortable with that. I've the hands washed off me as well.

That's how we live in a Covid world. We measure the risks, we make decisions, we inform ourselves about what is safe and what isn't.

Aaaaand we have a sensible person at last

Going forward it is about exactly that, risk mitigation, sensible personal choices.

Clusters will happen, people will die, that is the unfortunate reality of it all. The world will continue to turn on.

Another lockdown is not feasible - people seem to forget the reason for the initial one.

Drive on, wash the hands, don't be licking the neighbours.

Also it is nobodys business where/who/why an individual is travelling - go suck lemons if you disagree.

Jinglejangle69

Flyer1 wrote: »

Aaaaand we have a sensible person at last

Going forward it is about exactly that, risk mitigation, sensible personal choices.

Clusters will happen, people will die, that is the unfortunate reality of it all. The world will continue to turn on.

Another lockdown is not feasible - people seem to forget the reason for the initial one.

Drive on, wash the hands, don't be licking the neighbours.

Also it is nobodys business where/who/why an individual is travelling - go suck lemons if you disagree.

Spot on.

i_surge

Tenzor07 wrote: »

How would I go about informing everyone about any travel I will take? Social media, boards.ie or just email Leo?

Yeah just email Leo, maybe a bit of a facebook for that confusing mix of social ire and being a brave patriot sticking it to the man depending who your friends are.

The point stands about unessential press the flesh business travel or selfish fun in the sun types.

Tenzor07

i_surge wrote: »

Yeah just email Leo, maybe a bit of a facebook for that confusing mix of social ire and being a brave patriot sticking it to the man depending who your friends are.The point stands about unessential press the flesh business travel or selfish fun in the sun types.

Build the wall eh?

i_surge

Deleted User wrote: »

enjoying this new found mandated privacy/distancing ok.....but i guess some dont?

The novelty wore off fast unfortunately.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yas,this is exactly it.....if its unknown origin can get out of control afaik



Take the risks at your own risk,if yous want...personally i steer clear of hassle at best of times,and enjoying this new found mandated privacy/distancing ok.....but i guess some dont?

We all have our view on what is an acceptable risk. I love people and being a part of the world. Covid doesn't have me viewing every person with suspicion. I am careful with social distancing however.

I'll give you an example. I have a meeting next week that will be held in a small room with two other people. I won't be attending because it will be close contact with people outside of my family group for longer than 15 minutes.

Meeting a neighbour or acquaintance in a shop and having a chat with them, sitting with a friend for a few hours, no problem to me as long as the distance is maintained. Community transmission won't impact upon my decision.

I respect everyone's position on this because we are all trying to find our way. It is an awful shame though the anger that some feel towards others for how they are coping. It just pulls us apart when we should be trying to understand.

JTMan

Irish Times reporting "Sources indicated that the team would consider potentially “significant” new measures to slow the spread of the virus."

Surprised that the new restrictions have not leaked yet but sounds like something big is coming tomorrow.

stephenjmcd

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Times reporting "Sources indicated that the team would consider potentially “significant” new measures to slow the spread of the virus."

Surprised that the new restrictions have not leaked yet but send like something big is coming tomorrow.

Sure what else can they do other than do county by county restrictions ?

There's not an awful lot left in terms of cards to play here.

Country cant afford another lockdown or any sort of prolonged set of restrictions.

To be honest it stinks of a PR exercise, put out soundbites in the hope that it increases compliance without actually having to do anything

Wanderer78

stephenjmcd wrote:

To be honest it stinks of a PR exercise, put out soundbites in the hope that it increases compliance without actually having to do anything

Rte reporting it also, restrictions incoming!

gral6

I'd rather put some restrictions on NPHET itself. Just lock these idiots up forever.

Wanderer78

gral6 wrote:

I'd rather put some restrictions on NPHET itself. Just lock these idiots up forever.

Those idiots are keeping people alive, but I guess that's foolish!

stephenjmcd

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Rte reporting it also, restrictions incoming!

RTE reporting what? An interview saying that NPHET meets tomorrow to consider everything as they do every week?

So tell me what restrictions can they bring in ?

Wanderer78

stephenjmcd wrote:

So tell me what restrictions can they bring in ?

Who knows, guess we ll find out soon

stephenjmcd

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Who knows, guess we ll find out soon

Apart from localised restrictions are the 3 counties have seen there isnt reason currently to extend this country wide.

If they think there's fatigue in terms of restrictions then further restrictions isn't exactly going to see big public buy in now is it ?

I see house parties being mentioned yet again this morning too which have been going on throughout, cant exactly be stopped and here we are 6 months later again bringing them up.

All well and good people shouting for restrictions but what exactly do you suggest

gral6

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Those idiots are keeping people alive, but I guess that's foolish!

These idiots have saved no one.

Wanderer78

stephenjmcd wrote:

All well and good people shouting for restrictions but what exactly do you suggest

Suggest for what? It's a highly contagious virus, we ve no choice but to restrict movements, in order to deal with it

Wanderer78

gral6 wrote:

These idiots have saved no one.

Oh I beg to differ, how do you know this?

stephenjmcd

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Suggest for what? It's a highly contagious virus, we ve no choice but to restrict movements, in order to deal with it

You've said restrictions incoming. You cant restrict people for long periods of time as we've seen.

I'm asking what restrictions you suggest

Bit cynical

cherryghost wrote: »

I know plenty of people living in Argentina, and many people shrugged off lockdown. The clusters originally started in shanty towns and shacks, and people living off no money cant sit inside and do nothing. So they set out and did their stuff. Poor people in Argentina do not beg for money. They offer to do a job for you (and a minority threat your parked car damage without an advanced payment), they came door-to-door offering services, and it spread through middle-upper class neighbourhoods this way.

By June most people had enough. The welfare Argentina offered is nowhere near enough for a living and many people got on with their lives. Many places flouted lockdown and re-opened and protests on streets happened in every major city, and police forces backed down.

It is interesting the number of developing countries introduced quite strict lockdowns early on. Were the governing classes so out of touch that they thought that people could stay home and watch Netflix indefinitely? Perhaps there was an element of national pride and governments wanted to show the world that they were a country that could afford a proper lockdown unlike their poorer neighbours.

isup

road_high wrote: »

The last one being such a resounding success let’s do it again two months later...
We can’t afford another lockdown like March. Business took a lot in the chin but won’t this time as we’ve seen in LOK

It's the people who are gathering and acting like the virus is gone that will cause another lockdown. So everyone will be punished. There is a big divide

Pkiernan

Bit cynical wrote: »

.. Perhaps there was an element of national pride and governments wanted to show the world that they were a country that could afford a proper lockdown unlike their poorer neighbours.

Yes,that's why we had a lockdown.

machiavellianme

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder what that number looks like and what will happen when we reach it.

It looks like a duck egg and when we reach it globally, things will start to normalise.
Otherwise, there's no sense to any of it.

Annasopra

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Do any of you think there will be another lockdown coming into the winter months? The cases seem to be climbing but at least we know where they are originating from now which is good. Hospitals are managing pretty well too!

If cases go high along with hospital admissions will the country lockdown again to keep our healthcare system functioning?

Localised to certain areas.

The LOKdown is annoying people because parts of kildare are far away from the outbreak so it might evwn be 1 town e.g. Newbridge or Naas

Wanderer78

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You've said restrictions incoming. You cant restrict people for long periods of time as we've seen.

I'm asking what restrictions you suggest

wouldnt have a clue, i ll leave that to the professionals

trixi001

i_surge wrote: »

Unless you are travelling to perform a physical task there should be no work travel.

So no trips to Brussels without self isolation then
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-diplomatic-sherpa-and-assistant-secretary-exempt-from-14-day-quarantine-1.4307017

If they can get away without self isolating by taking a test - why can't other people who "have" to go abroad?

I don't consider going to a meeting that could be done virtually as essential!

The only foreign trips essential as you said to perform a physical task that cannot be done by someone else, or visiting a terminally ill close relative to say goodbye. And even these should require the self isolation.

Its sets a very bad example if the Taoiseach doesn't self isolate - what is the point in the green list, its obviously not considered unsafe to travel to Belgium

ELM327

Cant see there being another full lockdown.
We do need something though, 260 cases over the weekend is shocking.

ELM327

gral6 wrote: »

These idiots have saved no one.

Are you that foolish?

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

Cant see there being another full lockdown.
We do need something though, 260 cases over the weekend is shocking.

With the number of cases over the last 14 days being what they were and contact tracing etc I'd find it more shocking if the cases detected were much lower tbh given the R number is close to 2 now.

Also a single day's results can't be taken in isolation, they have to be viewed in 3 or 5 successive days IMO

Bit cynical

Maybe not a full lockdown but we can and probably will reimpose some restrictions restrictions. People want it. We just need to have realistic expectations about what will actually be achieved in terms of curtailing the virus.

Scuid Mhór

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Times reporting "Sources indicated that the team would consider potentially “significant” new measures to slow the spread of the virus."

Surprised that the new restrictions have not leaked yet but sounds like something big is coming tomorrow.

I’d say it’ll be rolling back the opening up of the economy but it won’t be a proper lockdown just yet.

ELM327

Augeo wrote: »

With the number of cases over the last 14 days being what they were and contact tracing etc I'd find it more shocking if the cases detected were much lower tbh given the R number is close to 2 now.

Also a single day's results can't be taken in isolation, they have to be viewed in 3 or 5 successive days IMO

It's 2 days over the weekend, where the numbers are usually lower.
We're starting to see the impact (given the 2-3 week lag) of removal of restrictions.


The interesting trend is that while cases are skyrocketing, deaths are not. I would question is that because a) elderly and other at risk groups are still cocooning or b) virus has mutated to be more transmissible and less deadly. A la the flu.

coolshannagh28

Restrictions are coming, will be more aligned with protecting the elderly and those in vulnerable situations for the medium term as a continued effort is made to allow the economy to function.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dramatic-action-needed-to-reduce-spread-of-covid-19-infectious-disease-expert-1.4331644

We need a change in policy. Our policy is too emergency/reactionary mode given we are over six months into this.

I agree with with the scientists, such as Mcconkey et Al. Aim for zero covid given that we live on one of the few islands in Europe. We need to exploit our geographical advantages.

(1) Govt announce zero covid policy.
(2) Announce strict lockdown in ROI given cases have increased in all counties North/South.
(3) Implement strict quarantine/controls at our airports/ports.
(4) Diplomacy/engagement for NI and UK to follow similar border controls etc.

ELM327

Or, just simply, go with the New Zealand approach, close the airports

Wanderer78

ELM327 wrote: »

Or, just simply, go with the New Zealand approach, close the airports

cant see it happening at all, so we could be living with this for a while yet

ixoy

I've got my first holiday of the year planned, within Ireland, this week. I am really hoping there's no lockdown as I've already had holidays cancelled twice.

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dramatic-action-needed-to-reduce-spread-of-covid-19-infectious-disease-expert-1.4331644

We need a change in policy. Our policy is too emergency/reactionary mode given we are over six months into this.

I agree with with the scientists, such as Mcconkey et Al. Aim for zero covid given that we live on one of the few islands in Europe. We need to exploit our geographical advantages.

(1) Govt announce zero covid policy.
(2) Announce strict lockdown in ROI given cases have increased in all counties North/South.
(3) Implement strict quarantine/controls at our airports/ports.
(4) Diplomacy/engagement for NI and UK to follow similar border controls etc.

Ok so zero covid, shut ourselves off from everywhere for how long ? Until a vaccine? We're not New Zealand out in the middle of nowhere, the only comparison is we're both islands and it ends there.

We have 2 different countries on the same island with no border and different policies. You honestly think NI / UK will decide yeah let's do the same thing as Ireland. Johnson isn't going to roll back now.

Its just not going to happen.

moritz1234

Augeo wrote: »

With the number of cases over the last 14 days being what they were and contact tracing etc I'd find it more shocking if the cases detected were much lower tbh given the R number is close to 2 now.

Also a single day's results can't be taken in isolation, they have to be viewed in 3 or 5 successive days IMO

How many deaths and hospitalizations ?
Who changed the narrative to "cases" ?

Scuid Mhór

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dramatic-action-needed-to-reduce-spread-of-covid-19-infectious-disease-expert-1.4331644

We need a change in policy. Our policy is too emergency/reactionary mode given we are over six months into this.

I agree with with the scientists, such as Mcconkey et Al. Aim for zero covid given that we live on one of the few islands in Europe. We need to exploit our geographical advantages.

(1) Govt announce zero covid policy.
(2) Announce strict lockdown in ROI given cases have increased in all counties North/South.
(3) Implement strict quarantine/controls at our airports/ports.
(4) Diplomacy/engagement for NI and UK to follow similar border controls etc.

I agree, it’s frustrating that this will never happen (and even more frustrating that it wasn’t our first strategy when this broke out in March). We should be utilising the fact that we are an island against this virus.

moritz1234

moritz1234 wrote: »

How many deaths and hospitalizations ?
Who changed the narrative to "cases" ?

I was replying to a post that mentioned cases.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

Or, just simply, go with the New Zealand approach, close the airports

Do we close ferry terminals too?

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dramatic-action-needed-to-reduce-spread-of-covid-19-infectious-disease-expert-1.4331644

We need a change in policy. Our policy is too emergency/reactionary mode given we are over six months into this.

I agree with with the scientists, such as Mcconkey et Al. Aim for zero covid given that we live on one of the few islands in Europe. We need to exploit our geographical advantages.

(1) Govt announce zero covid policy.
(2) Announce strict lockdown in ROI given cases have increased in all counties North/South.
(3) Implement strict quarantine/controls at our airports/ports.
(4) Diplomacy/engagement for NI and UK to follow similar border controls etc.

Zero covid is impossible with the border, the DUP will never engage with us to the level required as it would be to close to sounding like a UI for them

lee_baby_simms

moritz1234 wrote: »

How many deaths and hospitalizations ?
Who changed the narrative to "cases" ?

Deaths are not a meaningful metric anymore it would seem.

Ironically this is a frightening state of affairs. Negligible deaths but hyper testing means the government can keep panic and hysteria stoked for years. Certainly seems to be the way its going if the last few weeks are anything to go by.

seamus

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

We should be utilising the fact that we are an island against this virus.

The mistake you're making is believing that there is a "we".

There are basically 3 governments on this island - Dublin and two halves of Stormont. One of those halves of Stormont would rather sink the entire island into the sea than agree to unify the jurisdiction, even on a temporary basis.

We can moan and be disappointed about this all we like, but that won't change a thing. A zero-covid, all-island approach is not possible.

lee_baby_simms

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

...............

Ironically this is a frightening state of affairs. Negligible deaths but hyper testing means the government can keep panic and hysteria stoked for years. Certainly seems to be the way its going if the last few weeks are anything to go by.

There's little to no panic and hysteria but if handwashing, social distancing etc can keep deaths down then isn't that fantastic.

ELM327

Augeo wrote: »

Do we close ferry terminals too?

Except for needed goods, yes. Closed to private cars and motorhomes/caravans.

redunited

seamus wrote: »

The mistake you're making is believing that there is a "we".

There are basically 3 governments on this island - Dublin and two halves of Stormont. One of those halves of Stormont would rather sink the entire island into the sea than agree to unify the jurisdiction, even on a temporary basis.

We can moan and be disappointed about this all we like, but that won't change a thing. A zero-covid, all-island approach is not possible.

Then we deal with London, ask them to work with Dublin and enforce an all Ireland policy.

I very much think this type of deal could be struck with Boris, especially if we back the UK in EU talks.