How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

markodaly

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Proper control of our borders reduces the spread if we're importing the flu were importing Covid it's that simple.
Australia had 229 recorded cases of the flu this april compared to 18,705 in April 2019.
I'll add to that if anyone believes the measures will work for reopening schools then those measures will work just as well for stopping the spread of the Flu.

How do we control the border with the North?

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Who did they say will be notifying you?

Said the notification will come out on the school app. Only school and parents have access to it

khalessi

markodaly wrote: »

Then why did you respond exclusively to me?





Yes, they were wrong, but you didn't respond to them with an essay, only me it seems.

Well it is obvious I dont just respond to you, but you definitely have an axe to grind with teachers going by your constant unnecessary digs at teachers.

snowgal

Im genuinely not trying to get anyone's back up or anything here and this is purely my little opinion, but I really think there is way to much frenzy about all this now. I think because people have been waiting for sooo long to see schools reopening there has been a huge build up and tension rising. (kind of like the whole y2k thing) Nobody knows what will happen in the coming weeks/months but we have to try and get the schools open. I think anyone going back to work felt apprehensive initially but once the routine begins again (albeit a different routine we all had to get used to) the hysteria may die down. Of course there will be some cases, its inevitable, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't reopen our education system because of it. Can understand that everyone has their own personal concerns, whether teachers, students, parents. But collectively we have to give this a go and see where we get to. Yes maybe it will cause the nation to go completely backwards, but it more than likely wont and we cant keep putting off childrens and Teachers day to day lives because of fear. Both need to get back to the classroom and get some stability of normal work days before we go too far beyond that point for some....

markodaly

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've got the flu once in my life, I've built my own immune system and want my kids to do the same
I'm not an anti vaccerr

Hmm, you sure about that?

Did you build your own immune system against diseases like Measles and Polio? :rolleyes:

completedit

snowgal wrote: »

Im genuinely not trying to get anyone's back up or anything here and this is purely my little opinion, but I really think there is way to much frenzy about all this now. I think because people have been waiting for sooo long to see schools reopening there has been a huge build up and tension rising. (kind of like the whole y2k thing) Nobody knows what will happen in the coming weeks/months but we have to try and get the schools open. I think anyone going back to work felt apprehensive initially but once the routine begins again (albeit a different routine we all had to get used to) the hysteria may die down. Of course there will be some cases, its inevitable, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't reopen our education system because of it. Can understand that everyone has their own personal concerns, whether teachers, students, parents. But collectively we have to give this a go and see where we get to. Yes maybe it will cause the nation to go completely backwards, but it more than likely wont and we cant keep putting off childrens and Teachers day to day lives because of fear. Both need to get back to the classroom and get some stability of normal work days before we go too far beyond that point for some....

In many ways a microcosm of the greater covid debate. But, once the schools are back open throughout the world, that's it. I think that will be the pathway to normality for better or worse. The heightened sense of emergency, which has already waned, will disappear completely once we see schools back open.

drunkmonkey

markodaly wrote: »

How do we control the border with the North?

We don't, we get them to control their border with the UK, it's currently been looked at.

drunkmonkey

completedit wrote: »

In many ways a microcosm of the greater covid debate. But, once the schools are back open throughout the world, that's it. I think that will be the pathway to normality for better or worse. The heightened sense of emergency, which has already waned, will disappear completely once we see schools back open.

Only 1% of us have picked it up, that's a problem, we kicked the can down the road with all the restrictions, now we're opening back up with no immunity just like when we locked down.

markodaly

Boggles wrote: »

But what they are crediting the main reason to be, the schools were closed.

Schools in Australia were actually never closed by the Federal government, various state governments closed them themselves, but for a few weeks.

Schools down there have been open as normal now, since about April, bar Melbourne.

markodaly

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We don't, we get them to control their border with the UK, it's currently been looked at.

Yeap, go ahead and tell the DUP and Unionists that!!

markodaly

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Big outbreak at a special school in Dundee, Scotland.

17 teachers positive so far. 2 kids, and a few others via the same outbreak.
The school has been shut since Wednesday.

It took less than two weeks

I am not sure the point of this post is.

Yes, there is going to be various outbreaks in some schools, which require closing. No one is going to guarantee that it's not going to happen.

The question is, how do we manage that. Are we really going to close schools again for another year because of a few outbreaks?

If you do, then you are not an educator in my opinion.

TonyMaloney

markodaly wrote: »

Schools in Australia were actually never closed by the Federal government, various state governments closed them themselves, but for a few weeks.

Schools down there have been open as normal now, since about April, bar Melbourne.

Yeah they're all perfectly normal except of course for the ones that have shut recently due to outbreaks of covid.

Boggles

markodaly wrote: »

Schools in Australia were actually never closed by the Federal government, various state governments closed them themselves, but for a few weeks.

Flu deaths drop in Australia as coronavirus restrictions save hundreds of lives

Closing schools, maintaining physical distancing and boosting hand hygiene have all contributed to the massive decline in flu diagnoses and deaths.

"The main reasons are due to social distancing, as influenza is spread just like COVID-19 is," Professor Barr said.

"And the closure of schools probably also has a big part in the transmission of the flu in a normal season."

Vaccination rates have also jumped, according to data from the federal health department, which showed from March to mid-July this year, 8.8 million doses of influenza vaccines were dispensed.

That is 2 million doses more than were administered in the same period last year.

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TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Yeah they're all perfectly normal except of course for the ones that have shut recently due to outbreaks of covid.

yes, shut schools when there is an outbreak of covid. Otherwise they can open

drunkmonkey

markodaly wrote: »

Yeap, go ahead and tell the DUP and Unionists that!!

There working on it, do a bit of research

TonyMaloney

[Deleted User] wrote: »

yes, shut schools when there is an outbreak of covid. Otherwise they can open

And if outbreaks occur frequently over and over again?

Another lost year

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

And if outbreaks occur frequently over and over again?

Another lost year

So better no year than an interrupted year?

Some schools will have no outbreaks, some will have one and some will have multiple.

drunkmonkey

How are working parents meant to manage, we've daily temperature checks before leaving the house, don't know from one day to the next if we can work.

TonyMaloney

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So better no year than an interrupted year?

Some schools will have no outbreaks, some will have one and some will have multiple.

No, not at all. They should have planned for smaller class sizes and blended learning so that even when outbreaks occur (though less likely), education can continue for most.

I want the kids back in school, I just think the current plan is the opposite of what's needed to achieve that.
It's self defeating

markodaly

Boggles wrote: »

Flu deaths drop in Australia as coronavirus restrictions save hundreds of lives





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Again, the federal government never mandated the closure of schools, but state governments did and in many states, they were closed for only a few weeks.

combat14

interesting article from Irish GP about the long term effects of Covid 19 - well worth a read .. hopefully it will serve as a reminder to respect this disease as a million students start to return to school and colleges this week ..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/this-is-a-very-strange-virus-there-s-not-an-organ-in-the-body-it-saves-1.4336909%3fmode=amp

Sunday Sunday

If and when there's a vaccine for this its going to be of very limited use.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-reinfection-hong-kong-5184599-Aug2020/

Covid reinfection within months but with a different strain.

wirelessdude01

Finally the media reporting on the reality facing alot of schools and teachers.

Fair play to the principal for being very honest.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1161008/?__twitter_impression=true

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Finally the media reporting on the reality facing alot of schools and teachers.

Fair play to the principal for being very honest.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1161008/?__twitter_impression=true

Rented space 50,000-60,000 annually, is not when Norma should step in and pay it? Or does she think he has not exhausted all avenues?

The "do what you can" advice from Dept helpline is inspiring

wirelessdude01

khalessi wrote: »

Rented space 50,000-60,000 annually, is not when Norma should step in and pay it? Or does she think he has not exhausted all avenues?

The "do what you can" advice from Dept helpline is inspiring

Alot of 'voluntary' contributions needed to pay for that!!!

combat14

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

If and when there's a vaccine for this its going to be of very limited use.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-reinfection-hong-kong-5184599-Aug2020/

Covid reinfection within months but with a different strain.

From Gaurdian:

Hong Kong man re-infected by Covid-19 after four-and-a-half months leading to immunity concerns
A Hong Kong man who recovered from Covid-19 was infected again four-and-a-half months later in the first documented instance of human re-infection, researchers at the University of Hong Kong said on Monday.

The findings indicate the disease, which has killed more than 800,000 people worldwide, will continue to spread amongst the global population despite herd immunity, they said.

The 33-year-old male was cleared of Covid-19 and discharged from a hospital in April, but tested positive again after returning from Spain via Britain on 15 August.

The patient had appeared to be previously healthy, researchers said in the paper, which was accepted by the international medical journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

He was found to have contracted a different coronavirus strain from the one he had previously contracted and remained asymptomatic for the second infection.

“The finding does not mean taking vaccines will be useless,” Dr Kai-Wang To, one of the leading authors of the paper, told Reuters. “Immunity induced by vaccination can be different from those induced by natural infection,” To said. “[We] will need to wait for the results of the vaccine trials to see if how effective vaccines are.”

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Alot of 'voluntary' contributions needed to pay for that!!!

I love how it took RTE contacting the Dept for them to look into getting them alternative accommodation

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How are working parents meant to manage, we've daily temperature checks before leaving the house, don't know from one day to the next if we can work.

Its the same going to work. If you have any symptoms stay home. And if its covid, you are more likely to have symptoms than your kids

HerrKuehn

any scope for the "owners" of the primary schools to help with costs?

khalessi

HerrKuehn wrote: »

any scope for the "owners" of the primary schools to help with costs?

It is down to the Dept of Ed planning and building unit to source accommodation for schools