How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

is_that_so

HerrKuehn wrote: »

any scope for the "owners" of the primary schools to help with costs?

It's not a money issue, more like a space and personnel problem.

JDD

I'd say that Department representative was practically shot from a cannon down to this school to fix their particular situation before this story gains traction and every other school with small classrooms starts to call RTE.

Which would probably be half the primary schools in the country.

Sunday Sunday

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

If and when there's a vaccine for this its going to be of very limited use.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-reinfection-hong-kong-5184599-Aug2020/

Covid reinfection within months but with a different strain.

No illness implies strong resistance

wirelessdude01

JDD wrote: »

I'd say that Department representative was practically shot from a cannon down to this school to fix their particular situation before this story gains traction and every other school with small classrooms starts to call RTE.

Which would probably be half the primary schools in the country.

I doubt that the department would have enough representatives available if every school impacted by lack of space went to the papers/rte.

khalessi

JDD wrote: »

I'd say that Department representative was practically shot from a cannon down to this school to fix their particular situation before this story gains traction and every other school with small classrooms starts to call RTE.

Which would probably be half the primary schools in the country.

Probably, I would love to know how many new builds there are in the country.

Mind you Neverthere Norma's almost last words in relation to extra buildings, was to exhaust every option, and then to do that and be greeted with, do the best you can must have been soul destroying for the principal.

Boggles

markodaly wrote: »

Again, the federal government never mandated the closure of schools, but state governments did and in many states, they were closed for only a few weeks.

What difference does it make who closed them?

And how does it negate what the Professor that studies the Flu for the World Health organisation said.

Also schools were close for longer than a "few weeks" and OZ had a fraction of infections compared to other similar sized countries during the first wave.

wirelessdude01

khalessi wrote: »

Probably, I would love to know how many new builds there are in the country.

Mind you Neverthere Norma's almost last words in relation to extra buildings, was to exhaust every option, and then to do that and be greeted with, do the best you can must have been soul destroying for the principal.

Claire Byrne went after MM about Norma and her disappearance act and he tried to say she has been very active. Claire just snorted. Just wished it had been Sarah McInerney asking that question as she would have been like a dog with a home going after him.

JDD

Deleted User wrote: »

No illness implies strong resistance

That what I thought. Doesn't immunity mean that you body produces antibodies to fight the infection? That isn't instantaneous I would assume, and you could test positive in the period while those antibodies get to work? The fact that he had no symptoms of the second infection means it didn't really get a hold on him.

Sure I could have been reinfected with measles 20 times since being vaccinated, but given I had no symptoms I would never have known.

JDD

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I doubt that the department would have enough representatives available if every school impacted by lack of space went to the papers/rte.

Well exactly. Hence the quick closing down of this particular story.

Sunday Sunday

Deleted User wrote: »

No illness implies strong resistance

Already about 40% of covid cases are asymptomatic.

I wonder does exposure to the other many types of coronavirus that cause common colds leads to some immunity/asymptomatic cases?

smellyoldboot

s1ippy wrote: »

RTÉ News at One gone full propaganda machine on the schools situation, some Yank on reiterating what Nolan was saying.

"If children contract the virus and bring it into school, it will most likely be from home."

Get the message: You the parent, are being set up as the patsy. Didn't happen in school. Wasn't based on terrible government decisions or awful planning. No it was dirty nasty homes and families that caused the problem.

wirelessdude01

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Get the message: You the parent, are being set up as the patsy. Didn't happen in school. Wasn't based on terrible government decisions or awful planning. No it was dirty nasty homes and families that caused the problem.

That 'uncontrolled' environment!!

Queried

JDD wrote: »

I'd say that Department representative was practically shot from a cannon down to this school to fix their particular situation before this story gains traction and every other school with small classrooms starts to call RTE.

Which would probably be half the primary schools in the country.

For sure, this would definitely be the case in many more classrooms. The school I work in is in the exact same position, in an urban area and no possibility for any distancing. Also has almost 600 more pupils in it. Fair play to this principal for speaking up.

i_surge

completedit wrote: »

What is going on? So suddenly we start thinking in terms of 'trade offs'... but again the virus doesn't care about 'our children's education'. I thought the idea of restrictions was that 'if we even save one life'?

We need to get real and tell older people(often grandparents) that if they want to be assured to stay healthy, they need to limit their movements until an effective vaccine is found. This is seen as unfair but it's the only logical course of action at this point.

There is nothing realistic about asking people to spend the last few years of their lives behind bars so that you can go on living.

PCros

PCros wrote: »

Kids having a gap in their education is much more harmful in the long run than this virus - that's a fact. If it was up to you it would be probably 2022 before they go back which would be a disaster.

I've tried to stay as a reader only as I no longer have school age children, but this is nonsense, and it's beginning to irritate me. My own child missed a full year and a half out of her education due to health issues. She caught up when her health improved, and she passed her Leaving Cert on schedule with her peers as if she had never missed any time. The gap didn't ruin her education, and it certainly was not "a disaster".

There are many children with long term illnesses that miss a lot of school, but still manage to keep up or catch up when they are feeling better.

Children have missed an average of 4 months out of their education. Another 4 months, or even 8 months, would not be ruinous, or lead to a life of poverty. Such dramatics!

There is every bit as much hysteria coming from those who are unconcerned/happy about allowing their kids return to school now, as the parents who are more cautious are being accused off for having doubts about the safety of allowing their children to return.

And what continues to be glossed over by many, is that while becoming infected may not be a direct threat to the life of the child involved, it could turn out to be fatal to a high/very risk parent or anyone else that child comes into contact with who has underlying conditions. This cannot and should not be dismissed, and anyone who thinks children do not transmit this virus is conveniently deluding themselves.

(eta) I'm not advocating for schools to stay closed. But I believe the current plans will not work. A re-opening with max 50% of pupils attending at any one time, combined with online learning for high risk/ very high risk children (teamed with high risk/very high risk teachers) would have made a hell of a lot more sense.

i_surge

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've tried to stay as a reader only, but this is nonsense, and it's beginning to irritate me. My own child missed a full year and a half out of her education due to health issues. She caught up when her health improved, and she passed her Leaving Cert on schedule with her peers as if she had never missed any time. The gap didn't ruin her education.

There are many children with long term illnesses that miss a lot of school, but still manage to keep up or catch up when they are feeling better.

Children have missed an average of 4 months out of their education. Another 4 months, or even 8 months, would not be ruinous, or lead to a life of poverty. Such dramatics!

There is as every bit as much hysteria from those who are unconcerned about allowing their kids return to school now on the grounds of "they need their education" as the parents who are more cautious, are being accused off for having doubts about the safety of allowing their children to return.

And what continues to be glossed over by many, is that while becoming infected may not be a direct threat to the life of the child involved, it could turn out to be fatal to a high/very risk parent or other anyone else they come into contact with who has underlying conditions. This cannot and should not be dismissed, and anyone who thinks children do not transmit this virus is conveniently deluding themselves.

Get with the programme..

Education is more valuable than human life, we all know that.

Sunday Sunday

Some guidance from HSE on the visors question, which is what I was originally wondering about. They are saying visor is OK if mask can't be worn.

Good to know especially with all the secondary students going back shortly.

"If you find it difficult to wear a cloth face covering, it's okay to wear a full face visor or face shield instead. They are not as good as wearing a face covering, but you'll still get a good level of protection.

The visor should wrap around the sides of your face (ear to ear) and extend to below the chin. Reusable visors should be cleaned after each use and then stored in a clean place until needed".

Icyseanfitz

Deleted User wrote: »

I've tried to stay as a reader only as I no longer have school age children, but this is nonsense, and it's beginning to irritate me. My own child missed a full year and a half out of her education due to health issues. She caught up when her health improved, and she passed her Leaving Cert on schedule with her peers as if she had never missed any time. The gap didn't ruin her education, and it certainly was not "a disaster".

There are many children with long term illnesses that miss a lot of school, but still manage to keep up or catch up when they are feeling better.

Children have missed an average of 4 months out of their education. Another 4 months, or even 8 months, would not be ruinous, or lead to a life of poverty. Such dramatics!

There is every bit as much hysteria coming from those who are unconcerned/happy about allowing their kids return to school now, as the parents who are more cautious are being accused off for having doubts about the safety of allowing their children to return.

And what continues to be glossed over by many, is that while becoming infected may not be a direct threat to the life of the child involved, it could turn out to be fatal to a high/very risk parent or anyone else that child comes into contact with who has underlying conditions. This cannot and should not be dismissed, and anyone who thinks children do not transmit this virus is conveniently deluding themselves.

(eta) I'm not advocating for schools to stay closed. But I believe the current plans will not work. A re-opening with max 50% of pupils attending at any one time, combined with online learning for high risk/ very high risk children (teamed with high risk/very high risk teachers) would have made a hell of a lot more sense.

Well said

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Some guidance from HSE on the visors question, which is what I was originally wondering about. They are saying visor is OK if mask can't be worn.

Good to know especially with all the secondary students going back shortly.

"If you find it difficult to wear a cloth face covering, it's okay to wear a full face visor or face shield instead. They are not as good as wearing a face covering, but you'll still get a good level of protection.

The visor should wrap around the sides of your face (ear to ear) and extend to below the chin. Reusable visors should be cleaned after each use and then stored in a clean place until needed".

Dangerous idiots

mirrorwall14

i_surge wrote: »

Dangerous idiots

This isn’t fair on everyone else in the bloody room tbh

i_surge

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

This isn’t fair on everyone else in the bloody room tbh

There is no logic supporting visors. They are just appeasing people to try and stop everyone refusing to send their kids at once.

Sunday Sunday

i_surge wrote: »

There is no logic supporting visors. They are just appeasing people to try and stop everyone refusing to send their kids at once.

It's OK for public transport and other places so I don't see why not in school.

Some teachers who are working with special needs students might welcome the option to wear visors instead of masks.

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

It's OK for public transport and other places so I don't see why not in school.

Some teachers who are working with special needs students might welcome the option to wear visors instead of masks.

You don't see the big gap at the side for the air to come in and out unfiltered?

Sunday Sunday

i_surge wrote: »

You don't see the big gap at the side for the air to come in and out unfiltered?

Not as good as masks but definitely better than wearing nothing.

It's an acceptable face covering according to the guidelines so I presume they also believe its better than nothing too.

irishblessing

33 year old Hong Kong man is first person confirmed to have Covid twice (CNN news).

Posting that here as it was being said here Covid will eventually fade away and we should just get on with it. This morning I replied you'd want to be better than Nostradamus, then this news has come out this evening. The universe certainly has a sick sense of humour.

Sunday Sunday

irishblessing wrote: »

33 year old Hong Kong man is first person confirmed to have Covid twice (CNN news).

Posting that here as it was being said here Covid will eventually fade away and we should just get on with it. This morning I replied you'd want to be better than Nostradamus, then this news has come out this evening. The universe certainly has a sick sense of humour.

All the more reason to get on with things, this isn't going away any time soon.

Nobody likes it but we will have peaks and valleys for a long time yet. We can only do our best, but life worth protecting also has to be a life worth living.

iamwhoiam

i_surge wrote: »

You don't see the big gap at the side for the air to come in and out unfiltered?

Yes there is but if a mask cannot be worn then a visor is better than nothing at all isn’t it

The_Brood

Martin literally indicated that the reason why schools must reopen, as the quote in what he linked to reads, "Because I miss my friends want to see how they're doing." Here is the tweet: https://twitter.com/MichealMartinTD/status/1297888355095650306

So jobs, careers, family relations, mental health, other things we've all had to sacrifice on the bonfire of public health......but schools must re-open because kids "miss their friends" ?

Is Martin just a giant troll or what is going on here? What kind of joke is being played on the public?

byhookorbycrook

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

It's OK for public transport and other places so I don't see why not in school.

Some teachers who are working with special needs students might welcome the option to wear visors instead of masks.

Visors alone are not safe. You need a mask and visor - and I work with children with additional needs .

combat14

the slippery slope already started:

Coronavirus Ireland: Parents can send children to school if they are sneezing or have a runny nose, government advises

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/coronavirus-ireland-parents-can-send-children-to-school-if-they-are-sneezing-or-have-a-runny-nose-government-advises-39474011.html