How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

TonyMaloney

timmy_mallet wrote: »

One would assume that given the school has been closed since last Wednesday, everyone has been tested.

Perhaps, but according to the guardian all children have been asked to self isolate so if they've all been tested they clearly do not yet have all the results.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't get the pods I've two kids in different creche pods, one is moving to big school now a year behind his brother. So by Friday I'll have 3 different kids in 3 different pods. If our house gets it we'll have taken down 3 pods.

Yes, that's how it works. Well almost - if one of your kids get it, they will isolate and their pod will be out. The other 2 kids will be isolating at home, but as there would at that point be no evidence of transmission, their pods would still be active until one of them gets it

wirelessdude01

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I don't get the pods I've two kids in different creche pods, one is moving to big school now a year behind his brother. So by Friday I'll have 3 different kids in 3 different pods. If our house gets it we'll have taken down 3 pods.

It's all nonsense and window dressing.

TonyMaloney

Lillyfae wrote: »

Have you a link? Can't keep an eye on it without a source :pac:

Seems I'm a noob and can't post links.

Search for Dundee covid and it should pop up

Sunday Sunday

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, that's how it works. Well almost - if one of your kids get it, they will isolate and their pod will be out. The other 2 kids will be isolating at home, but as there would at that point be no evidence of transmission, their pods would still be active until one of them gets it

Out for 2 weeks regardless of negative test. I can see this leading to people being less than truthful about their recent close contacts eventually.

If you're a close contact and test negative you still have to restrict movements for 2 weeks, imagine that happening a couple of times and the knock on effect for households and workplaces.

Sunday Sunday

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Out for 2 weeks regardless of negative test. I can see this leading to people being less than truthful about their recent close contacts eventually.

If you're a close contact and test negative you still have to restrict movements for 2 weeks, imagine that happening a couple of times and the knock on effect for households and workplaces.

Its what has to be done. Up to 14 days for symptoms - stay home and put up with it

am_zarathustra

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Seems I'm a noob and can't post links.

Search for Dundee covid and it should pop up

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/24/seventeen-teachers-at-dundee-school-contract-covid-19

Small school, it's likely the staff are a tight-knit bunch. We have staff who live together, go out with each other, live beside each other and their kids are mates.......I'd say one person would contact trace to 10 in our school no bother and we couldn't open if they were isolating.

Sunday Sunday

Deleted User wrote: »

Its what has to be done. Up to 14 days for symptoms - stay home and put up with it

But even as a close contact, even if you have a negative test and no symptoms then you still are restricted for 2 weeks.

Sunday Sunday

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

But even as a close contact, even if you have a negative test and no symptoms then you still are restricted for 2 weeks.

Negative test just tell you on the day you were tested your viral load was too low to be detected by the test. Its only when the virus is replicating for a period of time that virus can be detected. This can take up to 14 days. Usually within 4 -7 however

khalessi

We have a lot of young staff who live together and some living with friends who teach in other schools.

s1ippy

RTÉ News at One gone full propaganda machine on the schools situation, some Yank on reiterating what Nolan was saying.

"If children contract the virus and bring it into school, it will most likely be from home."

ax530

am_zarathustra wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/24/seventeen-teachers-at-dundee-school-contract-covid-19

Small school, it's likely the staff are a tight-knit bunch. We have staff who live together, go out with each other, live beside each other and their kids are mates.......I'd say one person would contact trace to 10 in our school no bother and we couldn't open if they were isolating.

Didn't read up on this one but some schools in UK provide accommodation for teachers, so could be that a number of teachers are living in a school house together

s1ippy

"Cases have emerged, we expect them to emerge"

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1

Just lambs to the slaughter.

Professor Debbie Shrewdar from University of Edinburgh.

am_zarathustra

ax530 wrote: »

Didn't read up on this one but some schools in UK provide accommodation for teachers, so could be that a number of teachers are living in a school house together

That's true but the staff to staff transfer rate has been consistently higher than any other type in all the studies so far. I'd be interested to know is it different in primary versus secondary, and if staff moving between classes makes a differences. Is it being picked up during teaching hours or because of staffroom/living arrangements etc.

completedit

What is going on? So suddenly we start thinking in terms of 'trade offs'... but again the virus doesn't care about 'our children's education'. I thought the idea of restrictions was that 'if we even save one life'?

We need to get real and tell older people(often grandparents) that if they want to be assured to stay healthy, they need to limit their movements until an effective vaccine is found. This is seen as unfair but it's the only logical course of action at this point.

s1ippy

s1ippy wrote: »

"Cases have emerged, we expect them to emerge"

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1

Just lambs to the slaughter.

Professor Debbie Shrewdar from University of Edinburgh.

This is hyperbolic nonsense - "lambs to the slaughter" - cop yourself on.

The_Brood

There is no way in light of all these restrictions and everything that has been taken from us in the "interest of public health" that anyone should support schools reopening simply and only to appease parents who can't stand to be around their own children 24/7. This will truly be the biggest farce of all if it goes ahead.

The_Brood

The_Brood wrote: »

There is no way in light of all these restrictions and everything that has been taken from us in the "interest of public health" that anyone should support schools reopening simply and only to appease parents who can't stand to be around their own children 24/7. This will truly be the biggest farce of all if it goes ahead.

More complete nonsense. Parents understand their children need school for their own development and it will leave a massive issue long term if there is a further extended period of time where kids are not at school.

completedit

The_Brood wrote: »

There is no way in light of all these restrictions and everything that has been taken from us in the "interest of public health" that anyone should support schools reopening simply and only to appease parents who can't stand to be around their own children 24/7. This will truly be the biggest farce of all if it goes ahead.

It's not logical. Of course schools matter and they should go back IMO, but you can't just arbitrarily decide that schools ought to open given the last few months. It just doesn't add up. My assumption is that once the schools go back, we'll be back to normality after a month or so.

average_runner

The_Brood wrote: »

There is no way in light of all these restrictions and everything that has been taken from us in the "interest of public health" that anyone should support schools reopening simply and only to appease parents who can't stand to be around their own children 24/7. This will truly be the biggest farce of all if it goes ahead.

Very generalisation from you.


I love having my kids around, but also I want them to go back to normality, not to be afraid or let the virus define them. They are out playing in the street and in kids houses, they are doing their sport, so this is the next step.

completedit

Deleted User wrote: »

More complete nonsense. Parents understand their children need school for their own development and it will leave a massive issue long term if the is a further extended period of time where kids are not at school.

What about the long term economic implications and the damage caused by the lockdown which Varadkar said 'was worse than they originally thought'?

I realize it's not just Ireland but still.

s1ippy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is hyperbolic nonsense - "lambs to the slaughter" - cop yourself on.

They had the usual end of August interviews with several children who are going back. They played the clips of the ones who were all excited to be heading in. Just the one of them mentioned social distancing. If i were a child and I was being sent into a school without knowledge of covid, I would hugely resent the people involved who sent me in when I was old enough to understand the risks.

caveat emptor

What actually happens when a case emerges.
Who is responsible for the response ? Department of Health or the Department of Education.
If you child is present in a class will the parents of all of the other kids be informed? or is there some data protection thing at play.
Will the rest of kids in class be tested?
What will happen between a case discovery and test results?

I'd personally like to know where the buck stops if an outbreak occurs. We should be informed If our child came into contact with infected person. The length of time they'll spend in rooms and lack of social distancing should make this paramount. We need transparency.

Seems there are issues in Hamburg where they are not classifying kids who've share a classroom with an infected kid and so aren't quarantining the rest of class etc. They are not doing follow up tests on the other children either.

We need more clarity on what exactly will happen if someone gets it in a class.

15 Hamburg classes in quarantine According to the authority, 15 classes are currently in quarantine. There were also series tests of years, on Monday for example at the Goethe Gymnasium Lurup after an infection became known there on Friday. The results are not yet available. A larger accumulation of cases in individual schools in the sense of an outbreak had not been determined, according to the authority.

"We are monitoring the development of corona infections in Hamburg's schools very closely and are continuously consulting with the social authority responsible for health issues," said Albrecht, spokesman for the school authorities.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article230202402/Corona-Hamburg-Schueler-Lehrer-59-Infektionen-Schule.html&prev=search

“So far, one hardly reads about infections in Hamburg schools. But when you hear from colleagues that it is affecting considerably more schools, you wonder why this is not being made public, as in our case! And above all: Why is the school environment not tested in a confirmed case?”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/08/21/hamb-a21.html

PCros

The_Brood wrote: »

There is no way in light of all these restrictions and everything that has been taken from us in the "interest of public health" that anyone should support schools reopening simply and only to appease parents who can't stand to be around their own children 24/7. This will truly be the biggest farce of all if it goes ahead.

Kids having a gap in their education is much more harmful in the long run than this virus - that's a fact. If it was up to you it would be probably 2022 before they go back which would be a disaster.

What will annoy me more this week is all the alarmist articles across all the papers that will pop up between now and Friday...but I suppose they have to sell newspapers somehow. :rolleyes:

TonyMaloney

PCros wrote: »

Kids having a gap in their education is much more harmful in the long run than this virus - that's a fact. If it was up to you it would be probably 2022 before they go back which would be a disaster.

What will annoy me more this week is all the alarmist articles across all the papers that will pop up between now and Friday...but I suppose they have to sell newspapers somehow. :rolleyes:

That gap in education is likely to occur anyway, given that the government's plan is so rubbish

average_runner

completedit wrote: »

What about the long term economic implications and the damage caused by the lockdown which Varadkar said 'was worse than they originally thought'?

I realize it's not just Ireland but still.

We knew less about the virus then, it was the recommend approach from WHO back then.


Economic impact would be the same if no lockdown

PCros

TonyMaloney wrote: »

That gap in education is likely to occur anyway, given that the government's plan is so rubbish

What would your plan be?

I think its fine except for children with extreme illnesses...these seem to be getting overlooked.

The_Brood

[Deleted User] wrote: »

More complete nonsense. Parents understand their children need school for their own development and it will leave a massive issue long term if there is a further extended period of time where kids are not at school.

And a lot of people need other important things that have been taken away from them because according to the government the virus is too dangerous and takes precedence above everything else. This is the governments own position. So in what world does it make logical sense that schools must run regardless of virus concerns?

It makes 0 logical sense, and it is 100% the government disregarding its own philosophy to appease parents.

completedit

Definitely. I think it's the proper course of action but it completely contradicts the message coming from Government.

average_runner

The_Brood wrote: »

And a lot of people need other important things that have been taken away from them because according to the government the virus is too dangerous and takes precedence above everything else. This is the governments own position. So in what world does it make logical sense that schools must run regardless of virus concerns?

It makes 0 logical sense, and it is 100% the government disregarding its own philosophy to appease parents.

Like what's taken away, please don't mention the pubs