How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

s1ippy

s1ippy wrote: »

They had the usual end of August interviews with several children who are going back. They played the clips of the ones who were all excited to be heading in. Just the one of them mentioned social distancing. If i were a child and I was being sent into a school without knowledge of covid, I would hugely resent the people involved who sent me in when I was old enough to understand the risks.

1 person under 25 has died in ireland from covid from over 3,000 cases. Its a mild illness in children or less than flu

Mrsmum

am_zarathustra wrote: »

That's true but the staff to staff transfer rate has been consistently higher than any other type in all the studies so far. I'd be interested to know is it different in primary versus secondary, and if staff moving between classes makes a differences. Is it being picked up during teaching hours or because of staffroom/living arrangements etc.

It is vital that this is studied as a tool in keeping the staff safe.

Boggles

PCros wrote: »

Kids having a gap in their education is much more harmful in the long run than this virus - that's a fact.

Well no that isn't next to near a "fact".

If emergency care is over run and by extension or health service, trust me, no one is going to give a flying fúck about an education gap.

They have had nearly half a year to come with a coherent plan that keeps the schools open and society as a whole safer (not completely safe) and their plan is humans under the age of 18 are biological different to humans over the age of 18, so shure it will be grand.

By every single metric that does nothing but harm children's education, society and the economy.

Every day is a learning day though, we get it kind of right before "Wave 3" - we just have to do it the hard way as usual.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

1 person under 25 has died in ireland from covid from over 3,000 cases. Its a mild illness in children or less than flu

What about long term effects?

There are long term effects on children and adults if they contract C-19 are there not?

Who'll be responsible for that?

average_runner

TheTorment wrote: »

What about long term effects?

There are long term effects on children and adults if they contract C-19 are there not?

Who'll be responsible for that?

Haven't seen anything about long term effects on kids, please post the valid link?


Yes there is long term effects on some adults.

average_runner

average_runner wrote: »

Haven't seen anything about long term effects on kids, please post the valid link?


Yes there is long term effects on some adults.

You want a link to the answers of the questions I asked?

wirelessdude01

caveat emptor wrote: »

What actually happens when a case emerges.
Who is responsible for the response ? Department of Health or the Department of Education.
If you child is present in a class will the parents of all of the other kids be informed? or is there some data protection thing at play.
Will the rest of kids in class be tested?
What will happen between a case discovery and test results?

I'd personally like to know where the buck stops if an outbreak occurs. We should be informed If our child came into contact with infected person. The length of time they'll spend in rooms and lack of social distancing should make this paramount. We need transparency.

Seems there are issues in Hamburg where they are not classifying kids who've share a classroom with an infected kid and so aren't quarantining the rest of class etc. They are not doing follow up tests on the other children either.

We need more clarity on what exactly will happen if someone gets it in a class.



https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article230202402/Corona-Hamburg-Schueler-Lehrer-59-Infektionen-Schule.html&prev=search



https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/08/21/hamb-a21.html

Local health services team takes over and guides the school. That's as much as we know. MM confirmed this on The Claire Byrne show this morning.

average_runner

TheTorment wrote: »

You want a link to the answers of the questions I asked?

You asked a question with your own answer. But there has been no evidence that I have seen about long term effects on kids

TheTorment

TheTorment wrote: »

What about long term effects?

There are long term effects on children and adults if they contract C-19 are there not?

Who'll be responsible for that?

The numbers are tiny in children, and low in otherwise healthy adults.

There are long term effects associated with a multitude of known pathogens, many have which have a far greater effect on children, and nobody is responsible for those either.

We are reducing our risk to a level that is judged to be appropriate while still proceeding with trying to have a somewhat normal life. Otherwise we just hide away until there is a vaccine.

average_runner

average_runner wrote: »

You asked a question with your own answer. But there has been no evidence that I have seen about long term effects on kids

Having read back my post I can see how that might have interpreted like that.

It's genuinely not what I meant...they were serious questions

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Local health services team takes over and guides the school. That's as much as we know. MM confirmed this on The Claire Byrne show this morning.

Our kids school has run through this whole process with us already.
We had emails, principal did a video chat with parents and we had a chat with the teacher also about our youngest.

wirelessdude01

average_runner wrote: »

Our kids school has run through this whole process with us already.
We had emails, principal did a video chat with parents and we had a chat with the teacher also about our youngest.

So from your chats with them what process were you given?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The numbers are tiny in children, and low in otherwise healthy adults.

There are long term effects associated with a multitude of known pathogens, many have which have a far greater effect on children, and nobody is responsible for those either.

We are reducing our risk to a level that is judged to be appropriate while still proceeding with trying to have a somewhat normal life. Otherwise we just hide away until there is a vaccine.

I understand that...really I do.

However it strikes me that teachers are being put into a dangerous situation where all of the facts of both cause and effects are still uncertain.

I'd feel safer spending a school day in a supermarket being honest!!

JDD

TheTorment wrote: »

You want a link to the answers of the questions I asked?

I think what they are saying is that there has been no media coverage of any long term effects on children who contract COVID-19, unlike the media coverage of the long term effects that happen in some adults who contract the virus. Now, perhaps there has been, but I haven't read anything either.

The only thing I have read is about that kawasaki-like illness that has occurred in some children. Bu it is so utterly rare that I would not be worried about it enough to stop me from sending the kids into school.

My parents look after the kids on a Friday, and we will keep that under review. If there are outbreaks after two or three weeks in schools across the country, I'll keep the kids at home with me on a Friday. That's really the only fundamental change we will make.

While I have been meeting more people over the summer - friends, family, book club etc, I'm going to keep it to a minimum over the next six weeks, and review again when we know what the infection situation is like. That's the best thing we can do as parents - make sure our kids don't carry the virus in from home.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

What actually happens when a case emerges.
Who is responsible for the response ? Department of Health or the Department of Education.
If you child is present in a class will the parents of all of the other kids be informed? or is there some data protection thing at play.
Will the rest of kids in class be tested?
What will happen between a case discovery and test results?

I'd personally like to know where the buck stops if an outbreak occurs. We should be informed If our child came into contact with infected person. The length of time they'll spend in rooms and lack of social distancing should make this paramount. We need transparency.

Seems there are issues in Hamburg where they are not classifying kids who've share a classroom with an infected kid and so aren't quarantining the rest of class etc. They are not doing follow up tests on the other children either.

We need more clarity on what exactly will happen if someone gets it in a class.



https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article230202402/Corona-Hamburg-Schueler-Lehrer-59-Infektionen-Schule.html&prev=search



https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/08/21/hamb-a21.html

I assume normal contact tracing rules apply. Kids to be isolated for 14 days and a test organised, if they meet close contact guidelines - i.e have been in contact with the confirmed case within 48 hours of symptoms appearing or in the 48 hours prior to testing if its an asymptomatic case.

Teacher in my kids school, who we met this morning as he is starting Junior infants, has told us all parents will be contacted automatically if there is a confirmed case in the class.

I must say as well the teachers seemed very well prepared on the protocols and systems they have in place for our school also. They met groups of 4 new starters with their parents this morning, and while the kids got a tour with the classroom assistant, the teacher gave parents a clear, concise and practical run down of the measures and plans they have in place.

caveat emptor

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Local health services team takes over and guides the school. That's as much as we know. MM confirmed this on The Claire Byrne show this morning.

You see that's not very specific in terms of a plan.
Are "local health services" the HSE?
Will the other kids be sent home?
Will other kids who came into contact be tested?
Will parents be informed of a case?
What timeline will all of this occur.

If they handle it like they've done on Hamburg (who are guided by ECDC too)
I won't be happy.

TheTorment

TheTorment wrote: »

I understand that...really I do.

However it strikes me that teachers are being put into a dangerous situation where all of the facts of both cause and effects are still uncertain.

I'd feel safer spending a school day in a supermarket being honest!!

I was in a school this morning, and am very confident, at least for that school, that things are being done correctly. Cases will enter schools, and in some cases spread in schools, but I believe the measures that I have seen, at primary level, are sensible based on the risk level. I cannot comment on secondary.

wirelessdude01

caveat emptor wrote: »

You see that's not very specific in terms of a plan.
Are "local health services" the HSE?
Will the other kids be sent home?
Will other kids who came into contact be tested?
Will parents be informed of a case?
What timeline will all of this occur.

If they handle it like they've done on Hamburg (who are guided by ECDC too)
I won't be happy.

As a teacher I'd love to know as well.

PCros

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

As a teacher I'd love to know as well.

Not being smart here but have you asked your principle those questions?

caveat emptor

I could envisage "data protection" being wheeled out for damage control purposes.
We were told no healthcare workers got it in a hospital when they clearly did.
After some time then came out that lots did.

If there is clarity on those issues raised then I wouldn't feel too worried.
The fact that the "local health service" is responsible doesn't fill me with confidence.
The school principal is ultimately responsible in my mind for communicating with parents.
Passing responsibility to the health service on this could lead to dangerous delays in information.

I know some principals are going above and beyond.

https://twitter.com/haaohaoo/status/1297268054989180928?s=20

wirelessdude01

PCros wrote: »

Not being smart here but have you asked your principle those questions?

We've been told that public health services team takes over. That's as much as we've been told and are likely to be told. A few parents that have asked me the same question I've told them to contact the school with their concerns/questions.

lulublue22

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We've been told that public health services team takes over. That's as much as we've been told and are likely to be told. A few parents that have asked me the same question I've told them to contact the school with their concerns/questions.

As far as I’m aware it’s out of the principals hands - public health team take over - I feel for principals I imagine parents won’t be happy and the poor principal will fall in for the flack.

wirelessdude01

lulublue22 wrote: »

As far as I’m aware it’s out of the principals hands - public health team take over - I feel for principals I imagine parents won’t be happy and the poor principal will fall in for the flack.

Exactly. Sure we can see it here already. Wouldn't like to be a staff member in the first school that is linked to a case. You'll have the media descending on it and of course you'll have some loudmouth get interviewed saying all that the school didn't do or did wrong and sure then it'll probably come out in the wash in it originated in some house party.

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

So from your chats with them what process were you given?

Once a positive test case in the school we will all be notified.


They can't let you know of a suspective case because kids will always have temps every so often, eg our little one will have a temp every 3 weeks but we know its a throat infection, but still will need to get a covid test.

lulublue22

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Exactly. Sure we can see it here already. Wouldn't like to be a staff member in the first school that is linked to a case. You'll have the media descending on it and of course you'll have some loudmouth get interviewed saying all that the school didn't do or did wrong and sure then it'll probably come out in the wash in it originated in some house party.

I find the talk of a well controlled environment re schools disquieting. While I feel we have done what we can within the limits of the guidelines to mitigate risk. I don’t think schools are a well controlled environment - i think there are too many variables to make it so. Talk around transmission in schools being fuelled by staff doesn’t fill me with confidence either - maybe I’m over reacting but there is this whiff of scapegoat off it. Hopefully I am over reacting

wirelessdude01

average_runner wrote: »

Once a positive test case in the school we will all be notified.

Who did they say will be notifying you?

Polar101

My nephew's been back to school for a couple of weeks now (in a country where schools have re-opened already). Last week he had some cold-like symptoms, so his parents got him tested. No results yet, but he's now home-schooling, and the parents are working from home. Obviously I'm hoping the test results will be negative, which seems very likely.

But I wonder how many times this will happen over the course of a school year .

Gerry Hatrick

lulublue22 wrote: »

As far as I’m aware it’s out of the principals hands - public health team take over - I feel for principals I imagine parents won’t be happy and the poor principal will fall in for the flack.

Principles should take no flack. If as a parent you close to send your children back into an environment we all know is not safe the parent shoulders the responsibility of that decision.

This should be made clear to each and every parent from the start of this experiment.

selectamatic

lulublue22 wrote: »

I find the talk of a well controlled environment re schools disquieting. While I feel we have done what we can within the limits of the guidelines to mitigate risk. I don’t think schools are a well controlled environment - i think there are too many variables to make it so. Talk around transmission in schools being fuelled by staff doesn’t fill me with confidence either - maybe I’m over reacting but there is this whiff of scapegoat off it. Hopefully I am over reacting

Exactly. In the case of a virus that has the potential to become airborne indoors it is basically impossible to "control" such an environment especially if that environment is populated by 20+ odd.

Take the somewhat mitigating steps and hope for the best is all any of us can do. It's not good enough but shur it is what it is.

When situations like this become politicised and emotions are running high debating becomes futile.

markodaly

khalessi wrote: »

No I don't give them a free pass and neither do people who have an axe to grind about teachers get one.

Then why did you respond exclusively to me?

The person who said the 2.5 metre was wrong, or at least I have not seen this as a usual measure.

Yes, they were wrong, but you didn't respond to them with an essay, only me it seems.