Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

The Belly

Piehead wrote: »

What’s needed is a few visible arrests of rule breakers as a lesson to the general populace

I hear the sound of jack boots coming back

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

There would be no major difference.
Some extra deaths but overall the country would be in a much better position.

Better off socially, economically and overall better health, including mentally.

It was the right thing to do at the time and most would do it again, but with what we know now, let's just get on living with it, people will die, its tragic but you know what people die every day in tragic circumstances.

i_surge

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There would be no major difference.
Some extra deaths but overall the country would be in a much better position.

Better off socially, economically and overall better health, including mentally.

Your ignorance is astounding. Despite our harsh lockdown we are still well up in the "leaderboard" or deaths/million.

We would be worse than the UK, maybe even beat Belgium.

Piehead

Piehead wrote: »

What’s needed is a few visible arrests of rule breakers as a lesson to the general populace

Maybe we could put them in some kind of wooden stocks? And bring them into city centre? And pelt them with rotten fruit?

Oh yeah... it’s not the Middle Ages anymore.

Although we are starting to regress back centuries with people looking for the police to have powers to burst into your private property.

Assetbacked

growleaves wrote: »

Prof. Udi Qimron: 'History will judge the hysteria'

All covid threads should just end here and restrictions dissipated overnight. It is so harmless for so many people that it is okay to say that it is negligible. The data shows this about covid and these voices will stand out as being voices of reason against the mass hysteria unless covid mutates into something harmful.

Governments attempting to row back on the panic and hysteria now wouldn't suit their big pharma lobbyists and would make them look erratic, hypocritical and unfit to lead.

corny

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You mean like the initial powers they were given were allowed lapse?

Lapse? I thought they were in place until the 9th November?

And yes i mean those powers.

road_high

Assetbacked wrote: »

Get some grannies in handcuffs after hugging their grandkids, that will put them back in their cocoons.

Concentration Covid camps set up at the Curragh. Set them to making masks

i_surge

i_surge wrote: »

Your ignorance is astounding. Despite our harsh lockdown we are still well up in the "leaderboard" or deaths/million.

We would be worse than the UK, maybe even beat Belgium.

And yet other countries behind us in this “leaderboard” will be back to normality and much better positioned than us.

The Belly

corny wrote: »

Lapse? I thought they were in place until the 9th November?

And yes i mean those powers.

How long did the temporary USC tax last?

carveone

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe we could put them in some kind of wooden stocks? And bring them into city centre? And pelt them with rotten fruit?

Or push them into the canal.

Sounds entertaining - better than anything on RTE.

growleaves

i_surge wrote: »

Do you honestly think if left unfettered there wouldn't have been very big numbers? Whether mandated or not, the vast majority worldwide have spent more time than ever in their own homes, a mix of fear and precaution.

That professor is right in a way, because lockdown did its job it opens the stage for hysterical ignorant types to claim it was all for nothing and a disgrace to civil liberty (I'm am very civil freedom orientated btw, health is a component of freedom). Blind to the alternative reality.

Of course I do.

As I've explained many times, but I don't think it has sunk in for others, there are multiple unvalidated hypotheses acting together at once.

The models which predicted mass death were the first set of unverified hypotheses. These models, which only output the number that have been put into them, were woefully wrong. With Imperial College's model they were based on a tiny sample size, were programmed wrong and contained multiple interlocking assumptions.

The media (Guardian and FT for instance) shouted down objections from Oxford University's disease specialist labs to the ICL model. I would like to know how social justice and financial journalists acquired the know-how to do this.

The second set of unverified hypotheses are the sparse and obscure studies around social distancing (modelled on influenza pandemics) and the 'theory' of lockdown (based on what studies?) - the latter not mentioned in and not a part of Imperial model's at all.

Both sets of theories are working in tandem - they are layered assumptions, piled one on top of the other - and one set can not verify the other set. They are conflated however and this is where people get confused because they think the one theory is proven by the other theory but that is not possible.

Or else they assume one of the theories is already proven, and can therefore validate the other not-proven theory.

If you are still reading this far and following the argument then well done because usually at this point I get ridiculed for asking for a scientific investigation on the assumption that one is not needed.

There should be big numbers of fatalities for EVERY state that did not lock down - including the seven US states which all had lesser fatality numbers than Illinois and New York - where there is in fact none. Geographical, cultural, population density and other factors don't explain it because if these factors are more significant than lockdown than that in itself subordinates lockdown as a determining factor.

I would like to know for instance how if Ireland was supposed to have roughly 30,000 deaths without lockdown when Sweden (twice the population) did not have roughly 60,000 deaths without lockdown (one model by European scientists predicted 100,000 deaths for Sweden).

Note: Switching to a discussion of Sweden's Nordic neighbours does not answer my question, it attempts to re-frame the debate around lockdown to whether or not it can potentially prevent any deaths at all ('if it saves just one life') which perhaps it can.

PTH2009

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

GAA seeking a meeting

i_surge

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And yet other countries behind us in this “leaderboard” will be back to normality and much better positioned than us.

No one except the lucky few who suppressed it at the start are back to normal. Maybe a version of it but far from true normality.

i_surge

growleaves wrote: »

Of course I do.

As I've explained many times, but I don't think it has sunk in for others, there are multiple unvalidated hypotheses acting together at once.

The models which predicted mass death were the first set of unverified hypotheses. These models, which only output the number that have been put into them, were woefully wrong. With Imperial College's model they were based on a tiny sample size, were programmed wrong and contained multiple interlocking assumptions.

The media (Guardian and FT for instance) shouted down objections from Oxford University's disease specialist labs to the ICL model. I would like to know how social justice and financial journalists acquired the know-how to do this.

The second set of unverified hypotheses are the sparse and obscure studies around social distancing (modelled on influenza pandemics) and the 'theory' of lockdown (based on what studies?) - the latter not mentioned in and not a part of Imperial model's at all.

Both sets of theories are working in tandem - they are layered assumptions, piled one on top of the other - and one set can not verify the other set. They are conflated however and this is where people get confused because they think the one theory is proven by the other theory but that is not possible.

Or else they assume one of the theories is already proven, and can therefore validate the other not-proven theory.

If you are still reading this far and following the argument then well done because usually at this point I get ridiculed for asking for a scientific investigation on the assumption that one is not needed.

There should be big numbers of fatalities for EVERY state that did not lock down - including the seven US states which all had lesser fatality numbers than Illinois and New York - where there is in fact none. Geographical, cultural, population density and other factors don't explain it because if these factors are more significant than lockdown than that in itself subordinates lockdown as a determining factor.

I would like to know for instance how if Ireland was supposed to have roughly 30,000 deaths without lockdown when Sweden (twice the population) did not have roughly 60,000 deaths without lockdown (one model by European scientists predicted 100,000 deaths for Sweden).

Note: Switching to a discussion of Sweden's Nordic neighbours does not answer my question, it attempts to re-frame the debate around lockdown to whether or not it can potentially prevent any deaths at all ('if it saves just one life') which perhaps it can.

I will leave you to your delusions.

Lundstram

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

GAA seeking a meeting

Glynn will go into hiding. The bloody cheek of the GAA questioning this unelected guy who is basically running the country.

Nice to see them fighting back.

growleaves

i_surge wrote: »

I will leave you to your delusions.

Lol

Great rebuttal, thanks.

Piehead

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-statement-on-covid-19-social-restrictions/

GAA seeking a meeting

They need to end training for all ages ASAP.

corny

The Belly wrote: »

How long did the temporary USC tax last?

Why would i care? Department of Justice figures suggest the use of the powers is and has been ongoing.

Pitch n Putt

What a shambles the announcement was this evening. Can kicking many items for another day.
The absolute worst of it was when Snake Martin didn’t even know when the restrictions were to begin from.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.

Absolute Shambles

Assetbacked

i_surge wrote: »

No one except the lucky few who suppressed it at the start are back to normal. Many a version of it but far from true normality.

Like Italy? They suppressed it remarkably well! Oh wait, they didn't, they fully lost control and have reopened more than we have since April. Even nightclubs were reopened until the past weekend, albeit they have unfortunately been temporarily closed but otherwise life is back to normal more than here.

i_surge

Assetbacked wrote: »

Like Italy? They suppressed it remarkably well! Oh wait, they didn't, they fully lost control and have reopened more than we have since April. Even nightclubs were reopened until the past weekend, albeit they have unfortunately been temporarily closed but otherwise life is back to normal more than here.

????

That only supports everything I'm saying.

Love how MM included NI in the deaths to boost the figure.

Assetbacked

i_surge wrote: »

????

That only supports everything I'm saying.

NZ suppressed it and are in lockdown again. Italy didn't suppress it and have a normality. It is irrelevant whether it is suppressed or not, only prolonging the burn through society can be achieved as there is no suppressing the virus indefinitely. I'm in Germany the past week and a half and they didn't suppress the virus but I can tell you life is very much back to normal here compared to Ireland.

lee_baby_simms

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Love how MM included NI in the deaths to boost the figure.

I noticed that alright. I must say he comes across to me as a remarkably unimpressive individual given the role he’s found himself in.

i_surge

Assetbacked wrote: »

NZ suppressed it and are in lockdown again. Italy didn't suppress it and have a normality. It is irrelevant whether it is suppressed or not, only prolonging the burn through society can be achieved as there is no suppressing the virus indefinitely. I'm in Germany the past week and a half and they didn't suppress the virus but I can tell you life is very much back to normal here compared to Ireland.

There are so many layers you are failing to mention.

Enjoy

Tenzor07

How dare they question the all powerful Nphet!

https://www.the42.ie/gaa-6-5179403-Aug2020/

Assetbacked

i_surge wrote: »

There are so many layers you are failing to mention.

Enjoy

There's only one layer worth mentioning; the virus is not dangerous at all.

fr336

Assetbacked wrote: »

There's only one layer worth mentioning; the virus is not dangerous at all.

Oh god

i_surge

Assetbacked wrote: »

There's only one layer worth mentioning; the virus is not dangerous at all.

I put you on ignore, easier for everyone.

CruelSummer

Has Tomás Ryan been in the RTÉ studios all day? Is he on their payroll now?