Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

John O.Groats

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe we could put them in some kind of wooden stocks? And bring them into city centre? And pelt them with rotten fruit?

Oh yeah... it’s not the Middle Ages anymore.

Although we are starting to regress back centuries with people looking for the police to have powers to burst into your private property.

Only if the new regulations are being flouted. Law abiding citizens have nothing to be concerned about.

Idbatterim

Lads this is ireland, you can have hundreds of convictions and be walking the streets. They may aswell have made this announcement on april first ! Nobody i know gives a **** for their guidelines anymore! Ill do what i want in my home and ill be going to mate houses , with far more than six people. Follow the lead of politicians here, do what you like...

Hellrazer

NeonCookies wrote: »

I mentioned this in the main thread but think it got lost in the flurry of the press conference.

At the press conference MM said, word for word (I checked the recording) - "All visits to homes will be limited to 6 people from outside the home and from no more than 3 households both indoors and outdoors."

Now to me that means 6 people can visit a house regardless of how many people lives in that house. In my situation, that would mean 6 people (from max 3 households) could come over to my house and visit myself and fiance.

However the way this restriction is being reported makes it seem that it is 6 people from max 3 households in totality that is allowed. For me, this would mean that only 4 people (from max 2 households) could visit myself and fiance in order for us to remain within the guidelines.

So which is it?

You can have as many people as you like as there is no way they will put in legislation to allow the Garda to enforce what happens in a private home - political suicide if they even attempt it and probably may require a constitutional referendum.Or at least be against civil liberties.

Its the usual 3 Muppets of the Apocalypse trying to frighten the crap out of the Irish people.

Notice no Leo tonight - cracks appearing in the coalition?
I f**king hope so for the sake of us all...Leo should do the right thing and pull the plug on tis coalition before there is no economy left.

LessOutragePlz

Unfortunately I think that this thread will be alive in January 2021 the way things are going.

Assetbacked

fr336 wrote: »

Oh god

It's a general comment based on;

Ireland's case fatality rate for under 75s is 1.4%. This is extremely conservative as it includes deaths with covid meaning covid was not the killer and it is based on positive tests recorded. Estimates are that actual cases are many multiples higher than recorded positives. It may not be unreasonable to suggest 0.14% is a more accurate estimate of deaths caused by covid.

Above this age group we hit the median age life expectancy for Irish people. The median age of all "with" covid deaths in Ireland is still higher than the median life expectancy which demonstrates that covid is no more harmful than just surviving past the median age of life expectancy in Ireland.

Cold hard data, not hysteria and ignorant one liner posts.

i_surge

John O.Groats wrote: »

Only if the new regulations are being flouted. Law abiding citizens have nothing to be concerned about.

Disagree

Invasive laws sold as for "your safety" are rarely in the public interest.

i_surge

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Unfortunately I think that this thread will be alive in January 2021 the way things are going.

Bit of organisation and balls and drive and we could have a virus free island in time for Christmas.

FintanMcluskey

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Unfortunately I think that this thread will be alive in January 2021 the way things are going.

Democracy is dead in Ireland.

The restrictions and police state are here to stay until the UN get involved and remove the tyrannical flute MM

niallo27

i_surge wrote: »

Bit of organisation and balls and drive and we could have a virus free island in time for Christmas.

Ok let's go with this, how long of a hard lockdown do you think it would need to achieve this. 2 months 3 months what do you think.

acequion

i_surge wrote: »

Bit of organisation and balls and drive and we could have a virus free island in time for Christmas.

We could. And everyone locked in I suppose. To hell with all those with loved ones outside the country. All those who embraced being connected to the wider Europe and wonderful connectivity these past years.

Your type couldn't care less about all that. Bring us all back to the dark ages. Have zero covid for Christmas until somehow it gets right back in like it did in NZ!

There is no Covid free anywhere until there's a vaccine. Some of you might have no life to put on hold. But many of us do and we want to go on living it!

FintanMcluskey

i_surge wrote: »

Disagree

Invasive laws sold as for "your safety" are rarely in the public interest.

i_surge wrote: »

Bit of organisation and balls and drive and we could have a virus free island in time for Christmas.

Is that not a complete contradiction

John O.Groats

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Democracy is dead in Ireland.

The restrictions and police state are here to stay until the UN get involved and remove the tyrannical flute MM

Confirmed you have now gone full scale tinfoil hat. Congratulations.

i_surge

acequion wrote: »

But many of us do and we want to go on living it!

We have the same motivation

acequion

i_surge wrote: »

We have the same motivation

Somehow I don't think so!

bucketybuck

Zero covid is up there with world peace and Santa clause on the list of things we all want but adults know wont happen.

i_surge

bucketybuck wrote: »

Zero covid is up there with world peace and Santa clause on the list of things we all want but adults know wont happen.

So is "we have to live with the virus"

It takes a lot of suspension of reality

_Kaiser_

Hellrazer wrote: »

Notice no Leo tonight - cracks appearing in the coalition?
I f**king hope so for the sake of us all...Leo should do the right thing and pull the plug on tis coalition before there is no economy left.

The IT has an article up on what NPHET recommended vs what the Government decided on. It opens with :

Tuesday’s Cabinet briefing was unusually fractious. There were complaints from Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, and many Ministers, over how little time people had to reflect on a series of significant changes, and how it would impact on their departments.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557

Sounds like there was a bit of a spat alright

John O.Groats

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The IT has an article up on what NPHET recommended vs what the Government decided on. It opens with :



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557

Sounds like there was a bit of a spat alright

So what? This is not the first time there has been disagreement among Cabinet ministers including those all from the same party. It has happened before and will happen again.

Plumbthedepths

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The IT has an article up on what NPHET recommended vs what the Government decided on. It opens with :



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557

Sounds like there was a bit of a spat alright

Seems Leo is setting up Michael and the lads.

Gael23

Are people taking any notice of what they say about public transport?

Gael23

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/coronavirus-ireland-restrictions-no-more-spectators-at-sporting-events-and-people-should-avoid-public-transport-39459259.html?fbclid=IwAR1VTR1SKOjt9Hd6mU3Mzopa2NzSuyyqhC0ltthCL02XOJHzFsBtNjWaqOg

The Indo has reported on the NPHET recommendations which are, to put it bluntly, ridiculous.

Asking people to avoid public transport even though schools are back next week gives me a stronger belief that schools going back is the end game and covid restrictions die soon after. Offices have been told to keep staff home until mid-September too. Clearly the plan is to get kids back, wait 14 days and if nothing happens (as it won't considering covid is zero risk to children) everything will be reopened.

In a way it gives me a sense of relief that actually the end is in sight, mid-september to early October. It has been painfully slow however.

This makes considerable sense

road_high

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Seems Leo is setting up Michael and the lads.

Not sure really. Unless FG are planning to break ranks and go to the country which I doubt they’ll bother doing for many reasons. Government will plod along as is, lot of these people are new to government, they lack the shrewd slickness of the likes of Leo and Harris. Then again FG weren’t exactly rewarded at the ballot box, might gain 20 seats on a good day. No where near an overall majority so you’re back to square one.

Idbatterim

Lads this shambles of ffg is continuing exactly from where fg left off! The reason its appearing a bit more tricky now, is because the easy choices and can kicking with schools etc , is over...

Limpy

The 15 people outdoor limit makes no sense. You can't train in a group of 16 but you can be inside a sweaty venue with hundreds.

vid36

Gael23 wrote: »

This makes considerable sense

What do you think is going to happen when schools open up? Hundreds of cases every day, huge levels of community transmission, vulnerable adults infected and many more deaths.
Look at the USA, more schools and colleges going online every day.

John O.Groats

Limpy wrote: »

The 15 people outdoor limit makes no sense. You can't train in a group of 16 but you can be inside a sweaty venue with hundreds.

No you can`t not legally anyway.

NIMAN

How many times is the country going to roll back on the relaxations?

Surely we will come to a point where the vulnerable will have to be cautious and the rest of society/economy will have to go about our lives as normal?

road_high

vid36 wrote: »

What do you think is going to happen when schools open up? Hundreds of cases every day, huge levels of community transmission, vulnerable adults infected and many more deaths.
Look at the USA, more schools and colleges going online every day.

And yet the ones in Europe seem to be doing fine....but yea, thousands of cases and killing grannies. Far juicer drama and panic

vid36

road_high wrote: »

And yet the ones in Europe seem to be doing fine....but yea, thousands of cases and killing grannies. Far juicer drama and panic

Schools in Europe are shut in August except in Scotland. But wait until Spain, Romania, Bulgaria France and Belgium open up, it won't be pretty.

SusieBlue

I just read somewhere that the new rule regarding gatherings in private homes not having more than 6 people can be interpreted to include members of the household.

There’s more than 6 in my household so we’re already technically breaking that rule. Does that mean we cannot have any guests over seeing as we’re already over capacity? Or is it the household +6?

How on earth will they enforce that? This is actually beyond ridiculous now.
The problem lies in meat factories, direct provision centres and those returning from abroad/tourists not isolating on arrival.
Yet they’re throwing everything but the kitchen sink at sport, household gatherings and pubs, none of which has caused any clusters to date. It’s mind boggling.