Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

_Kaiser_

"wet pubs". Can we please stop importing this nonsense lingo from abroad

FintanMcluskey

John O.Groats wrote: »

No matter how many times you repeat your same old bull****e it will always be bull****e. You should really take your head out of the sand for a change.

The fear that has been nurtured has became a monster that can't be killed.

Some like yourself are unable to understand either the mechanics of the virus or the numbers behind the statistics.

You will have a lightbulb moment yet, might just take a bit longer

_Kaiser_

Interesting.. Newstalk guy asking if there's a split in government because none of the FG crew are there.

Micheal not sounding very convincing with his response, although as he's not the best at this public speaking it's hard to tell sometimes

John O.Groats

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's patently clear that the drive to reopen schools is a political decision. It's the key to this government's first real commitment.

That's why it's being pushed so hard regardless of the disconnect with the situation or indeed their own recommendations

I wonder what the reaction of posters such as yourself would be if the Government announced that schools were not going to reopen as per schedule. Although I have a pretty good idea.

John O.Groats

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The fear that has been nurtured has became a monster that can't be killed.

Some like yourself are unable to understand either the mechanics of the virus or the numbers behind the statistics.

You will have a lightbulb moment yet, might just take a bit longer

I understand it very clearly pal. Obviously you don`t.

Piehead

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's patently clear that the drive to reopen schools is a political decision. It's the key to this government's first real commitment.

That's why it's being pushed so hard regardless of the disconnect with the situation or indeed their own recommendations

All schools and colleges should remain closed until 2021

_Kaiser_

John O.Groats wrote: »

I wonder what the reaction of posters such as yourself would be if the Government announced that schools were not going to reopen as per schedule. Although I have a pretty good idea.

It wouldn't surprise me at all. It was a political decision to allow a new government appear decisive and in control of the situation and the response.

Is it the right decision? Debatable... Kids need to go back to school but given the current free for all that is each school's interpretation of the department guidelines, I reckon they'll be closed again within weeks anyway as each sniffle is treated as a possible outbreak with the follow up measures that have to be employed.

_Kaiser_

Good man that fella calling out the mixed messaging that has totally confused the response and indeed won't be any clearer after tonight.

John O.Groats

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me at all. It was a political decision to allow a new government appear decisive and in control of the situation and the response.

Is it the right decision? Debatable... Kids need to go back to school but given the current free for all that is each school's interpretation of the department guidelines, I reckon they'll be closed again within weeks anyway as each sniffle is treated as a possible outbreak with the follow up measures that have to be employed.

That is one prediction that may come true if the new or indeed the current regulations are flouted to any large extent. Hopefully the vast majority of people will be more sensible than to allow that to happen.

John O.Groats

Idbatterim wrote: »

Laughable! What were fg doing different? Fg put ff in power, with their ridiculous **** performance for nearly a decade !

Another day. Another hysterical anti government rant from you. I can set my watch by them. Anyway the "ridiculous **** performance for nearly a decade" didn`t prevent you from voting for them during that period of time.

_Kaiser_

John O.Groats wrote: »

That is one prediction that may come true if the new or indeed the current regulations are flouted to any large extent. Hopefully the vast majority of people will be more sensible than to allow that to happen.

I think to be fair it'll be beyond the control of parents and teachers.

As a rule the first few weeks back are when all the colds and bugs circulate through the classes (I've an 8 year old myself). Under the current guidelines this will cause chaos with isolation and testing demands - not to mention the psychological effects on young kids in a class (it's bad enough among grown adults)

Add to that the disruption to parents either working from home or having to go home to mind them. Worse again if they have kids in different schools.

The biggest issue is the "trying to have our cake and eat it" response. Schools are either back or they're not. This halfway approach will ensure the latter will happen sooner rather than later

Idbatterim

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And then what? The virus is going nowhere. When we reopen there will be new cases.

Rinse and repeat until a vaccine is available which could be years.

How do you deal with the mass unemployment, supply chain problems and other economic problems your idea would cause?

We ate about to find out! Oh i cant wait to see those squirmimg rats deal with the fall out of their idiocy, power given by idiots . But its ireland, nobody will be held accountable and they will sail off into sunset with ridiculous pension etc...

PaddyCar

Did he say in all the waffle that the 50 for weddings was only until 24th August and would be reviewed then? Clearly was an argument about the wedding numbers

bucketybuck

I had to go looking for it, as it certainly isn't the headline on the national broadcaster.

Deaths associated with covid today? 0. Again

The government is reported to be very concerned about this.

_Kaiser_

PaddyCar wrote: »

Did he say in all the waffle that the 50 for weddings was only until 24th August and would be reviewed then? Clearly was an argument about the wedding numbers

Weddings unchanged until further notice was my understanding

PTH2009

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Weddings unchanged until further notice was my understanding

think its the same for food pubs/restaurants

Jesus the people running this country are jokes

John O.Groats

PTH2009 wrote: »

think its the same for food pubs/restaurants

Jesus the people running this country are jokes

Actually I thought you would be happy this evening as it was announced that closing times are to be extended to 11.30 pm so an extra 30 mins for you to drink up.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

I had to go looking for it, as it certainly isn't the headline on the national broadcaster.

Deaths associated with covid today? 0. Again

The government is reported to be very concerned about this.

I took this info from the Rte website immediately before posting and it now appears to have been changed to 1 death today.

Better check again in an hour.

martingriff

PTH2009 wrote: »

think its the same for food pubs/restaurants

Jesus the people running this country are jokes

I think the point with them and wedding is that people are meant to be 1.5 meters away and only around for a short time at a house you could be doing anything

normanoffside

Amirani wrote: »

It's not a NPHET press conference.

Glynn was the only one who could string a sentence together tbf.

John O.Groats

Idbatterim wrote: »

We ate about to find out! Oh i cant wait to see those squirmimg rats deal with the fall out of their idiocy, power given by idiots . But its ireland, nobody will be held accountable and they will sail off into sunset with ridiculous pension etc...

You should really learn to control these hysterical ranting outbursts pal. They can`t be good for your health.

i_surge

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But we are moving backwards at an awful rate.

Flatten the curve is finished, we are now flattening the curve of democracy

Flattening the curve of reason and intellect.

A world where you can choose your own facts eh Fintan "just a cold" Mcluskey

John O.Groats

i_surge wrote: »

Flattening the curve of reason and intellect.

A world where you can choose your own facts eh Fintan "just a cold" McCluskey

A fully paid up member of the "it`s just a flu bro" brigade.

i_surge

John O.Groats wrote: »

A fully paid up member of the "it`s just a flu bro" brigade.

The ignoratti

Pawns in a bigger game possibly.

NeonCookies

I mentioned this in the main thread but think it got lost in the flurry of the press conference.

At the press conference MM said, word for word (I checked the recording) - "All visits to homes will be limited to 6 people from outside the home and from no more than 3 households both indoors and outdoors."

Now to me that means 6 people can visit a house regardless of how many people lives in that house. In my situation, that would mean 6 people (from max 3 households) could come over to my house and visit myself and fiance.

However the way this restriction is being reported makes it seem that it is 6 people from max 3 households in totality that is allowed. For me, this would mean that only 4 people (from max 2 households) could visit myself and fiance in order for us to remain within the guidelines.

So which is it?

i_surge

NeonCookies wrote: »

I mentioned this in the main thread but think it got lost in the flurry of the press conference.

At the press conference MM said, word for word (I checked the recording) - "All visits to homes will be limited to 6 people from outside the home and from no more than 3 households both indoors and outdoors."

Now to me that means 6 people can visit a house regardless of how many people lives in that house. In my situation, that would mean 6 people (from max 3 households) could come over to my house and visit myself and fiance.

However the way this restriction is being reported makes it seem that it is 6 people from max 3 households in totality that is allowed. For me, this would mean that only 4 people (from max 2 households) could visit myself and fiance in order for us to remain within the guidelines.

So which is it?

You are overthinking it i would say. These details are arbitrary, all situations have to be assessed and even the people themselves based on how risky or not they are day to day. I only entertain outdoors and it works fine.

The policy is aimed to keep mixing below a threshold but the specifics don't really matter once you are keeping with the spirit and intention of it.

FintanMcluskey

i_surge wrote: »

You are overthinking it i would say. These details are arbitrary, all situations have to be assessed and even the people themselves based on how risky or not they are day to day. I only entertain outdoors and it works fine.

The policy is aimed to keep mixing below a threshold but the specifics don't really matter once you are keeping with the spirit and intention of it.

Wow for all your patronising finger wagging you essentially make up the procedure as you wish.


In the name of jeasus

NeonCookies

i_surge wrote:

You are overthinking it i would say. These details are arbitrary, all situations have to be assessed and even the people themselves based on how risky or not they are day to day. I only entertain outdoors and it works fine.

The policy is aimed to keep mixing below a threshold but the specifics don't really matter once you are keeping with the spirit and intention of it.

Oh I agree with the aim of the policy and I have been risk assessing all of my own socialising since this began - meeting others who I know are being careful, and avoiding those who I know are being reckless.

However when the government are specifying regulations you would expect them to be clear as day. Even more so when they're giving the gardai powers of enforcement in private homes - now, of course I know that's meant to be to help stop ridiculous house parties with 50+ people etc, but again if gardai are being given powers of enforcement we should be crystal clear about what those powers are.

FintanMcluskey

NeonCookies wrote: »

However when the government are specifying regulations you would expect them to be clear as day. Even more so when they're giving the gardai powers of enforcement in private homes - now, of course I know that's meant to be to help stop ridiculous house parties with 50+ people etc, but again if gardai are being given powers of enforcement we should be crystal clear about what those powers are.

I don't know what side of the discussion you are on but think about the above.

The outbreaks currently are all linked to conditions in DP and food processing factories, not house parties. A government issue.

MM never mentioned that this evening however and instead the gardai have been handed powers never before seen in this country, to further erode civil liberties in Ireland.

Its unbelievably frustrating that anyone can defend whats going on

pjohnson

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I don't know what side of the discussion you are on but think about the above.

The outbreaks currently are all linked to conditions in DP and food processing factories, not house parties. A government issue.

MM never mentioned that this evening however and instead the gardai have been handed powers never before seen in this country, to further erode civil liberties in Ireland.

Its unbelievably frustrating that anyone can defend whats going on

About time well overdue.