Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

FintanMcluskey

pjohnson wrote: »

About time well overdue.

Your a fascinating charachter

pjohnson

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your a fascinating charachter

Thanks.

_Kaiser_

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I don't know what side of the discussion you are on but think about the above.

instead the gardai have been handed powers never before seen in this country

pjohnson wrote: »

About time well overdue.

No decision on giving AGS more powers has been made yet from what I understand.

Chopper Dave

NeonCookies wrote: »

Oh I agree with the aim of the policy and I have been risk assessing all of my own socialising since this began - meeting others who I know are being careful, and avoiding those who I know are being reckless.

However when the government are specifying regulations you would expect them to be clear as day. Even more so when they're giving the gardai powers of enforcement in private homes - now, of course I know that's meant to be to help stop ridiculous house parties with 50+ people etc, but again if gardai are being given powers of enforcement we should be crystal clear about what those powers are.

It reads to me like they were given a package of measures to implement by NEPHD which were unpalatable. They then spent the afternoon picking and choosing and watering down the requirements and lost sight of the overall objective. But you're right - the language should be clear and concise and clearly set out what you can and can't do.

Sport has been hammered. No more than 15 at an outdoor training session but 50 allowed indoors at mass. I don't get the gym - no more than 6 at a class but more than 6 on the gym floor?

Allinall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I don't know what side of the discussion you are on but think about the above.

The outbreaks currently are all linked to conditions in DP and food processing factories, not house parties. A government issue.

MM never mentioned that this evening however and instead the gardai have been handed powers never before seen in this country, to further erode civil liberties in Ireland.

Its unbelievably frustrating that anyone can defend whats going on

They’re not all linked to DP and food processing plants.

Why peddle lies?

celt262

Swimming pools in hotels and leisure centres restricted to six people now?

growleaves

Italy's PM is now officially under investigation for enforcing a nationwide lockdown in Italy against the advice of Italy's scientific committee

According to what is read in a note from the Presidency of the Council, this notice communicates the transmission to the Court of Ministers of the acts of a proceeding originating from various complaints from subjects from various parts of Italy for epidemic crimes, culpable crimes against health, manslaughter, abuse of office, attack against the Constitution, attack against the political rights of the citizen (articles 110, 438, 452 and 589, 323, 283, 294 of the Penal Code).

Piehead

celt262 wrote: »

Swimming pools in hotels and leisure centres restricted to six people now?

Should be closed completely

odyssey06

NeonCookies wrote: »

I mentioned this in the main thread but think it got lost in the flurry of the press conference.
At the press conference MM said, word for word (I checked the recording) - "All visits to homes will be limited to 6 people from outside the home and from no more than 3 households both indoors and outdoors."

So which is it?

6 from outside the home.
https://www.thejournal.ie/family-visit-5179281-Aug2020/

NeonCookies

odyssey06 wrote:

6 from outside the home.

I just saw this and came on to post the link - thank you! I know it's probably an overly pedantic thing to be concerned about, but these are strange times.

dundalkfc10

NeonCookies wrote: »

I just saw this and came on to post the link - thank you! I know it's probably an overly pedantic thing to be concerned about, but these are strange times.

Dont be worrying. This weekend will be house party central and Gardaí won't have powers to do a thing

i_surge

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Wow for all your patronising finger wagging you essentially make up the procedure as you wish.


In the name of jeasus

It is called following scientific principle Fintan.

The law of the land is an adjunct to that.

You might figure it out someday.

odyssey06

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Dont be worrying. This weekend will be house party central and Gardaí won't have powers to do a thing

At the outset they should have been given powers to shut them down as they do in other countries regardless of covid.

Ludo

I am unclear how sport is affectedby this. Only 5 allowed at outdoor training I saw. But someone involved in a rugby club just told me all contact banned again which means no matches...that wasn't my understanding though. 15 at training will be an issue but matches can go ahead right?

growleaves

odyssey06 wrote: »

At the outset they should have been given powers to shut them down as they do in other countries regardless of covid.

That may make the Government more vulnerable to a Constitutional challenge to their emergency legislation than they are at present. (?)

odyssey06

growleaves wrote: »

That may make the Government more vulnerable to a Constitutional challenge to their emergency legislation than they are at present. (?)

I am not saying you are wrong just wondering what article of the constitution would be invoked eg especially if there are noise issues.

They are standard powers in other jurisdictions.

growleaves

odyssey06 wrote: »

I am not saying you are wrong just wondering what article of the constitution would be invoked eg especially if there are noise issues.

They are standard powers in other jurisdictions.

I don't know. I remember somebody more knowledgeable saying it could cause a constitutional issue. If I can find a cogent explanation I will post it.

Micky 32

Maybe it’s me but i detect a certain cohort on here are upset we weren’t locked down this eve going by the tone of the posts on the thread.


So to the lock us up for ‘eva’ crowd, Better luck next time..........

growleaves

Prof. Udi Qimron: 'History will judge the hysteria'

Prof. Udi Qimron will soon head the Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University.

In an interview with Yediot Ahronot, Qimron shed further light on the coronavirus. "There is a very great interest for anyone who has supported the draconian measures taken around the world to say that Sweden's policy has failed. Because if it succeeded, and trillions went down the drain for no reason, someone will have to answer for it.”

“That is why all over the world they prefer to claim that [Sweden] was wrong. But in the end, the truth came to the surface. In a world where decision makers, their advisers and the media were able to admit their mistake and the initial panic that gripped them, we would have long since returned to routine. The ongoing destruction due to the inability to admit this mistake, despite the epidemic’s small mortality numbers, is outrageous. History will judge the hysteria."

"If we had not been told that there was an epidemic in the country, you would not have known there was such an epidemic and you would not have done anything about it," he said emphatically. "The fact that this issue runs all day in the media inflates it beyond its natural dimensions. If black death had raged here, as in the 14th century, you would not have had to follow the situation in the news, the bodies would have piled up in the streets. We were not and we are not in this situation today."

Prof. Qimron noted that the total number of coronavirus deaths does not exceed 0.1% of the total population in any country, and the death rate from coronavirus is less than 0.01% of the total world population, meaning that 99.99% of the world's population so far has survived the epidemic and the virus is negligibly lethal.

road_high

Piehead wrote: »

Should be closed completely

Why? Do they spread Covid? Or is it just because you say so?

stephenjmcd

growleaves wrote: »

I don't know. I remember somebody more knowledgeable saying it could cause a constitutional issue. If I can find a cogent explanation I will post it.

Here you go, it'll be a while yet before they can enter a house

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1295785736223035399?s=19

Allinall

Micky 32 wrote: »

Maybe it’s me but i detect a certain cohort on here are upset we weren’t locked down this eve going by the tone of the posts on the thread.


So to the lock us up for ‘eva’ crowd, Better luck next time..........

It’s you.

Elmer Blooker

pjohnson wrote: »

About time well overdue.

Theres a film called 'The lives of others', I don't know if you've seen it but if you haven't you'll enjoy it.

growleaves

Here you go, it'll be a while yet before they can enter a house

Cheers

Micky 32

Allinall wrote: »

It’s you.

Well that’s a relief then.

Cases held back again to increase the fear and get a nice big number in before the announcement. How people can’t see through this rubbish is beyond me.

Be interesting to see what the existing restrictions and new restrictions will do to help with clusters in the meat factories? Oh that’s right... they’re not related in any way.

Of course the church gets an exemption as well. Wouldn’t be Ireland without that.

At this point I kind of hope the whole thing goes up in smoke. Sure we are already well on the way. A bit of austerity and poverty might force a few hands and really get the tempers going.

i_surge

growleaves wrote: »

Prof. Udi Qimron: 'History will judge the hysteria'

Wrong

Way more than 0.1% in some regions. New York state, 4 or 5 times the population of Ireland.

Charles Babbage

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Interesting.. Newstalk guy asking if there's a split in government because none of the FG crew are there.

Micheal not sounding very convincing with his response, although as he's not the best at this public speaking it's hard to tell sometimes

Fine Gael aiming to be the party party? Let rip regardless of the consequences?

pjohnson

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Theres a film called 'The lives of others', I don't know if you've seen it but if you haven't you'll enjoy it.

Whats it about? Sell it to me there Elmy

John O.Groats

odyssey06 wrote: »

At the outset they should have been given powers to shut them down as they do in other countries regardless of covid.

Agreed. The previous Government took their eyes off the ball on that one. Hopefully that will be put right very soon.