Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

growleaves

i_surge wrote: »

Wrong

Way more than 0.1% in some regions. New York state, 4 or 5 times the population of Ireland.

The Professor only referred to countries, not regions. NY is not its own country.

Gael23

What is to be taken form limiting use of public transport?

i_surge

growleaves wrote: »

The Professor only referred to countries, not regions. NY is not its own country.

And what are most countries but a line on a map?

The point stands and that professor is talking out of his arse. It is easy enough to find a rogue professor and use him as "proof". Simple tactic.

Equally Sweden is such a red herring. There are rules but what determines spread is behaviour and that is down to the people.

The equivalent of non lockdown has been practiced elsewhere and was a massive failure (Florida). That simply puts the argument to bed.

Anyone who tries to argue that lockdown was pointless is frankly an idiot or severely manipulated. The evidence against that position is too strong and too obvious.

MickeyLeari

Gael23 wrote: »

What is to be taken form limiting use of public transport?

It must be a big risk. Or more likely to free capacity for school kids.

Plumbthedepths

John O.Groats wrote: »

Agreed. The previous Government took their eyes off the ball on that one. Hopefully that will be put right very soon.

4 weeks before the Dail and Seanad sits. Only then can the powers the Cork fool wants given to the guards that supercedes private property rights can be passed .

growleaves

And what are most countries but a line on a map.

Uh do you feel the need to gerrymander so that covid seems even worse than it is?

The statement you disputed is totally unobjectionable and most people are aware that regions like e.g. Wuhan, Lombardy and New York have had larger outbreaks than their host countries.

i_surge

growleaves wrote: »

Uh do you feel the need to gerrymander so that covid seems even worse than he is?

The statement you disputed is totally unobjectionable and most people are aware that regions like e.g. Wuhan, Lombardy and New York have had larger outbreaks than their host countries.

I agree. The statement made was indeed factually correct.

It still doesnt support the argument as there are conuter examples aplenty.

average_runner

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Fine Gael aiming to be the party party? Let rip regardless of the consequences?

Martin is a joke, gyms can open but kids sports are gone. It's ok to get pissed at a wedding but kids sports is over.

Bloody joke

growleaves

i_surge,

EVERY locked down country should have had 100,000s (or millions, depending on size) of deaths. Taiwan, Japan, Sweden, Mexico, Brazil (prior to lockdown) according to the predictions. It didn't happen.

If you make the criteria 'if it saves one life' then maybe it had an effect somewhat. Though that is not people were saying in March - they were throwing around very big numbers.

corny

I wonder will these nice new powers the Gardai are getting be rescinded once Coronavirus is a thing of the past?

carveone

Ludo wrote: »

I am unclear how sport is affectedby this. Only 5 allowed at outdoor training I saw. But someone involved in a rugby club just told me all contact banned again which means no matches...that wasn't my understanding though. 15 at training will be an issue but matches can go ahead right?

It says "behind closed doors". I've no idea what that means - play inside? The gov.ie website says that "Groups exercising outdoors should be limited to 15 people, including training sessions" so I'd gather that means everything, otherwise what's the point? Seems a bit confusing.

It'll be interested to see what actually happens at the playing pitch near me. Didn't make any difference tonight but I suppose I didn't expect it to.

Three weeks ago there was more than 200 to 300 people out there - it was a bit gobsmacking actually as there was just no social distancing at all. Lots of young kids as it was a Saturday but it's the adults that were mostly the problem. I wasn't terribly surprised to hear the government comments about issues with sporting events...

Coillte_Bhoy

corny wrote: »

I wonder will these nice new powers the Gardai are getting be rescinded once Coronavirus is a thing of the past?

You mean like the initial powers they were given were allowed lapse?

growleaves

corny wrote: »

I wonder will these nice new powers the Gardai are getting be rescinded once Coronavirus is a thing of the past?

Its already been said that Coronavirus will never be a thing of the past (technically Swine Flu still kills more than zero people).

Ludo

carveone wrote: »

It says "behind closed doors". I've no idea what that means - play inside? The gov.ie website says that "Groups exercising outdoors should be limited to 15 people, including training sessions" so I'd gather that means everything, otherwise what's the point? Seems a bit confusing.

It'll be interested to see what actually happens at the playing pitch near me. Didn't make any difference tonight but I suppose I didn't expect it to.

Three weeks ago there was more than 200 to 300 people out there - it was a bit gobsmacking actually as there was just no social distancing at all. Lots of young kids as it was a Saturday but it's the adults that were mostly the problem. I wasn't terribly surprised to hear the government comments about issues with sporting events...

Just clarified it...all matches can go ahead...

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/taoiseach-micheal-martin-confirms-team-sports-can-continue-with-no-spectators-present-39460580.html

The Belly

corny wrote: »

I wonder will these nice new powers the Gardai are getting be rescinded once Coronavirus is a thing of the past?

Nope once given they will stay in some form or the other.

Assetbacked

The wedding thing being 50 but outdoor gatherings of 15 makes little sense until I remember that a high ranking public sector employee connected to NPHET is hosting a wedding this weekend.

Another reason I can say safely that Ireland is not basing it's restrictions on science but control and hysteria.

i_surge

growleaves wrote: »

i_surge,

EVERY locked down country should have had 100,000s (or millions, depending on size) of deaths. Taiwan, Japan, Sweden, Mexico, Brazil (prior to lockdown) according to the predictions. It didn't happen.

If you make the criteria 'if it saves one life' then maybe it had an effect somewhat. Though that is not people were saying in March - they were throwing around very big numbers.

Do you honestly think if left unfettered there wouldn't have been very big numbers? Whether mandated or not, the vast majority worldwide have spent more time than ever in their own homes, a mix of fear and precaution.

That professor is right in a way, because lockdown did its job it opens the stage for hysterical ignorant types to claim it was all for nothing and a disgrace to civil liberty (I'm am very civil freedom orientated btw, health is a component of freedom). Blind to the alternative reality.

Plumbthedepths

corny wrote: »

I wonder will these nice new powers the Gardai are getting be rescinded once Coronavirus is a thing of the past?

Unless the Dail and Seanad are recalled early the powers can't be passed for 4 weeks.

The Belly

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Unless the Dail and Seanad are recalled early the powers can't be passed for 4 weeks.

Im sure they will call a emergency sitting

John O.Groats

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

4 weeks before the Dail and Seanad sits. Only then can the powers the Cork fool wants given to the guards that supercedes private property rights can be passed .

4 weeks isn`t that far away. Hopefully when the Dail and Seanad resume the legislation will quickly go through and be passed into law. Why is MM a "Cork fool" by the way? Because what the government are doing doesn`t suit your narrative?

carveone

Ludo wrote: »

Just clarified it...all matches can go ahead...

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/taoiseach-micheal-martin-confirms-team-sports-can-continue-with-no-spectators-present-39460580.html

Well that seems totally idiotic. That scuppers kids sports (are they training or is it a match?) which, in my opinion, seems to be the least risky.

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

i_surge,

EVERY locked down country should have had 100,000s (or millions, depending on size) of deaths. Taiwan, Japan, Sweden, Mexico, Brazil (prior to lockdown) according to the predictions. It didn't happen.

If you make the criteria 'if it saves one life' then maybe it had an effect somewhat. Though that is not people were saying in March - they were throwing around very big numbers.

The hysteria is incredible to witness. We were told all kinds of figures at the start of this. People genuinely believed anywhere between 30k and 100k Irish would die.

Months later we have 1775 dead. At the rate we’re going, it will be a long time before we reach 2k. And we have admitted that the deaths are way overstated.

Who would have thought we’d end up so queasy about 1 or 2 deaths a week.

Assetbacked

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The hysteria is incredible to witness. We were told all kinds of figures at the start of this. People genuinely believed anywhere between 30k and 100k Irish would die.

Months later we have 1775 dead. At the rate we’re going, it will be a long time before we reach 2k. And we have admitted that the deaths are way overstated.

Who would have thought we’d end up so queasy about 1 or 2 deaths a week.

It will take almost a year and a half to hit 2k at this rate.

i_surge

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The hysteria is incredible to witness. We were told all kinds of figures at the start of this. People genuinely believed anywhere between 30k and 100k Irish would die.

Months later we have 1775 dead. At the rate we’re going, it will be a long time before we reach 2k. And we have admitted that the deaths are way overstated.

Who would have thought we’d end up so queasy about 1 or 2 deaths a week.

Thanks for providing an example of my point.

Piehead

corny wrote: »

I wonder will these nice new powers the Gardai are getting be rescinded once Coronavirus is a thing of the past?

What’s needed is a few visible arrests of rule breakers as a lesson to the general populace

road_high

Micky 32 wrote: »

Maybe it’s me but i detect a certain cohort on here are upset we weren’t locked down this eve going by the tone of the posts on the thread.


So to the lock us up for ‘eva’ crowd, Better luck next time..........

Definitely. More than upset I’d say, furious. Lockdown foreva is slipping away now

i_surge

i_surge wrote: »

Thanks for providing an example of my point.

There would be no major difference.
Some extra deaths but overall the country would be in a much better position.

Better off socially, economically and overall better health, including mentally.

Assetbacked

Piehead wrote: »

What’s needed is a few visible arrests of rule breakers as a lesson to the general populace

Get some grannies in handcuffs after hugging their grandkids, that will put them back in their cocoons.

Lundstram

Piehead wrote: »

What’s needed is a few visible arrests of rule breakers as a lesson to the general populace

North Korea is that way

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i_surge

Piehead wrote: »

What’s needed is a few visible arrests of rule breakers as a lesson to the general populace

I'd prefer some form of intrinsic motivation but at the end of the day those taking the piss need to see it isn't acceptable. Paradox of tolerance time.

The virtue signalling "stay home" thing ran out of steam very quick.

Many doing that were more into optics than principles though.