Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Tell me how

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Trying to look for the positives of the whole sh1t show that is the GOP and Trump and I have come to the conclusion this is good let them at it.....:cool::cool:

Come November this year the GOP will get wiped out hopefully for a generation, the Dems will get a super majority in both houses and will then proceed to right all the wrongs

Top of my list

Ban Gerrymandering
Ban voter restriction efforts
Implement Environmental carbon reduction laws
Pack every single Judge with the most liberal judges they can come up with
Etc
etc

Let the GOP drag themselves into the gutter the worse they get and more Dem voters will come out and vote.

Good luck to Trump hes doing us all a Favour

That's incredibly naive in my view. The US is a 2 party state, its where 'You are either with us, or against us' holds through more than a lot of other places we are familiar, particularly Ireland and the UK.

Over the last 4 elections. 22 States have voted Republican at each one versus 17 states which were consistently Democrat over that period. Probably not unsurprisingly given the flag waving culture and the 'Land of the free' ethos which many view the country as (irrespective of how true that is or otherwise), many are easily motivated to dislike the idea of the 'Government' telling them what to do. And that makes it easy for the GOP who profess to be against government involvement to attract voters. I suspect many vote for them as much because they 'aren't Democrats' than what they will do if they are in power.

Makes for escalating division between both parties/communities.

To reiterate how many view the importance of a sense of freedom, even New Hampshire, a Democrat state over the last 4 elections and with 2 Democrat Senators has 'Live Free, or Die' as it's motto.

Also, if the Democrats are the party many of us might like them to be, Bernie Sanders would have secured the nomination either in 2016, or this time round. The fact that the only candidate calling for universal healthcare saw his early advantage in the primaries disappear as a global Pandemic was being particularly harmful in the US was amazing to me.

fr336

Trump tweets:


The only job @realDonaldTrump cares about is his own. Everything he does is for his own reelection.


Oh wait no, this is a tweet Trump wrote in 2011 about Obama...

fr336

Just watching yet another Trump documentary and a reminder that he brought out so many first time voters in 2016. How do you beat this guy when he's reaching parts of the electorate who haven't voted in decades before then, if ever? They think the guy is above the average politician where nothing changes. It's very much like Brexit.

Wanderer78

fr336 wrote: »

Just watching yet another Trump documentary and a reminder that he brought out so many first time voters in 2016. How do you beat this guy when he's reaching parts of the electorate who haven't voted in decades before then, if ever? They think the guy is above the average politician where nothing changes. It's very much like Brexit.

ah hes tanking, he ll walk away

Water John

If he can't do his big rallies, because people won't come, it'll finish him as that's his oxygen.

pixelburp

fr336 wrote: »

Just watching yet another Trump documentary and a reminder that he brought out so many first time voters in 2016. How do you beat this guy when he's reaching parts of the electorate who haven't voted in decades before then, if ever? They think the guy is above the average politician where nothing changes. It's very much like Brexit.

Thing is, do those same voters feel it was a vote well used? Trump promised sweeping changes and delivered on none. CoVid is rampaging through the country while he flails and shows no leadership. Draining the swamp manifested as Roger Stone having a sentence commuted. Now this is a country that has managed to make wearing a mask a partisan issue so good luck anyone pronouncing definites about its populace. But even with that in mind, the floating voter can't exactly be enamoured with a lack of results since 2016 and a man who said he took no responsibility for the CoVid crisis.

Itssoeasy

Mitt Romney the senator for Utah has described trumps commutation of the prison sentence of Roger Stone as "historic corruption" according to NBC news. Mitt won't be invited to the GOP Christmas party if he keeps this up.

spacecoyote

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mitt Romney the senator for Utah has described trumps commutation of the prison sentence of Roger Stone as "historic corruption" according to NBC news. Mitt won't be invited to the GOP Christmas party if he keeps this up.

This is his tweet about it, a pretty public statement. Wonder if any others will row in behind him?

https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1281937795616067586

cb890

I think with the furore there will be over this, and the fact that we can (sadly) expect the deaths from Covid to ratchet up over the next month (we're just beginning to see these tick upwards this week), there's jsut no way in any kind of a fair electrion that Trump wins.

FWIW I'm not sure he REALLY cares. He'll probably continue to be objectionable, maybe even make a show of having to be removed from the WH, but you can be sure as far as legal ramifications go, he'll never get closer to jail than the inside of a courtroom. You can also be sure that the Trump family will have done exceptionally well out of the presidency from a financial point of view. Furthermore, You can be sure that he'll continue to be a media darling of the right-wing (whether that's OANN or a re-cast Trump News). That way he'll get plenty of coverage and 'adoration' from his fans, while not having to worry about the details of actually having to DO anything - if anything this is what he REALLY wants (the ability to sit on the side lines and hurl abuse at anyone who is left of fascism on the political spectrum).

It'll be a bit of a sad outcome for the rest of us, when he probably should be escorted away in a jumpsuit of his favourite colour, but at least it'll be an improvement on this non-sense...

looksee

Tell me how wrote: »

That's incredibly naive in my view. The US is a 2 party state, its where 'You are either with us, or against us' holds through more than a lot of other places we are familiar, particularly Ireland and the UK.

Over the last 4 elections. 22 States have voted Republican at each one versus 17 states which were consistently Democrat over that period. Probably not unsurprisingly given the flag waving culture and the 'Land of the free' ethos which many view the country as (irrespective of how true that is or otherwise), many are easily motivated to dislike the idea of the 'Government' telling them what to do. And that makes it easy for the GOP who profess to be against government involvement to attract voters. I suspect many vote for them as much because they 'aren't Democrats' than what they will do if they are in power.

Makes for escalating division between both parties/communities.

To reiterate how many view the importance of a sense of freedom, even New Hampshire, a Democrat state over the last 4 elections and with 2 Democrat Senators has 'Live Free, or Die' as it's motto.

Also, if the Democrats are the party many of us might like them to be, Bernie Sanders would have secured the nomination either in 2016, or this time round. The fact that the only candidate calling for universal healthcare saw his early advantage in the primaries disappear as a global Pandemic was being particularly harmful in the US was amazing to me.

If a two party system is what the populace wants then fine, let them get on with it.

The problem with Trump's idea of government is that he is creating waves at world level where it could affect the rest of us. They will find it very difficult to regain any semblance of credibility as a world leader - they may say, as they do, that they are world leaders but if no-one else thinks they are then it is just self delusion.

Once Trump is out, even if they want an extreme right government, provided it is a government that can deal with world affairs then that's all that need concern us, what they do internally is their own business.

sliabh 1956

The top writer for Fox News host Tucker Carlson has for years been using a pseudonym to post bigoted remarks on an online forum that is a hotbed for racist, sexist, and other offensive content
Carslon a huge Trump fan I wonder will Trump make a comment on this.

Muahahaha

Few people saying he might pull out of the race over fearing of losing. But isnt he already boxed in here in that he has some 17 different legal actions against him that cant proceed so long as he is President. Whether he likes it or not it is crucial he gets another four years, if not then sealed indictments get opened and court cases start flying around like confetti.

Wanderer78

Muahahaha wrote:

Few people saying he might pull out of the race over fearing of losing. But isnt he already boxed in here in that he has some 17 different legal actions against him that cant proceed so long as he is President. Whether he likes it or not it is crucial he gets another four years, if not then sealed indictments get opened and court cases start flying around like confetti.

America won't be able for another 4, it may cause a civil war

pixelburp

I really can't imagine the scenario where Trump would have the nerve to walk away. His raging over witch hunts and inferiority complex feels more like it's leading to an election failure, followed either by attempted voter fraud or a conspiracy narrative of being wronged.

Wanderer78

pixelburp wrote:

I really can't imagine the scenario where Trump would have the nerve to walk away. His raging over witch hunts and inferiority complex feels more like it's leading to an election failure, followed either by attempted voter fraud or a conspiracy narrative of being wronged.

His ego is too fragile for defeat, he can blame anyone he wants if he walks away, and he ll blame everyone bar himself, he ll still be the greatest

pixelburp

Wanderer78 wrote: »

His ego is too fragile for defeat, he can blame anyone he wants if he walks away, and he ll blame everyone bar himself, he ll still be the greatest

Perhaps, but walking away is a definite personal action. He's choosing to leave, to quit. Given the man blames everyone else for his mistakes, the choice to stand down feels too culpable. Getting ousted by elections he has already framed as corrupt or rigged seems like the more likely path of exit. He won't stop yapping about Postal votes, it's all set up for him

Thepoet85

I have no doubt in my mind, the US is heading towards some form of civil war. A narcissistic megalomaniac like Trump simply won't walk away from this. He would rather see the country tear itself apart than admit defeat.

Recent example: His response to Coronavirus

Water John

A lot of the States that are red, are actually receivers of funding from the blue states.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

A lot of the States that are red, are actually receivers of funding from the blue states.

That was a funny moment(as funny as it could be during a global pandemic) with Mitch McConnell talking about Blue States filling for bankruptcy and it was pointed out that Kentucky takes more money from the federal government than it puts in. Red states and the GOP rail against "socialism" yet many GOP controlled states get government help. It's funny.

Water John

And Kentucky may turn blue, the ingrates.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

And Kentucky may turn blue, the ingrates.

And the fact Texas is in play in a presidential election shows how badly a GOP president has done. Texas shouldn't been within an arses roar of being up for grabs for a democrat.

beggars_bush

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And the fact Texas is in play in a presidential election shows how badly a GOP president has done. Texas shouldn't been within an arses roar of being up for grabs for a democrat.

Big latino vote there.

alchemist33

Texas is getting a lot of migration from California too these days, which I've seen Texans complain online about.

TomOnBoard

pixelburp wrote: »

I really can't imagine the scenario where Trump would have the nerve to walk away. His raging over witch hunts and inferiority complex feels more like it's leading to an election failure, followed either by attempted voter fraud or a conspiracy narrative of being wronged.

Remember bonespurs.. An invented medical condition used to excuse avoidance of a personal threat...

ExMachina1000

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Remember bonespurs.. An invented medical condition used to excuse avoidance of a personal threat...

570,000 Americans dodged the draft.

Trump, Bill Clinton, Bush and Sanders all dodged the draft under various excuses.

There is a singer I cant remember his name but he took crystal meth before his army physical and literally pooped his pants during the medical to avoid the draft.

Twas common enough now

salmocab

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

570,000 Americans dodged the draft.

Trump, Bill Clinton, Bush and Sanders all dodged the draft under various excuses.

There is a singer I cant remember his name but he took crystal meth before his army physical and literally pooped his pants during the medical to avoid the draft.

Twas common enough now

Only one of them questioned the likes of mc cain and claimed he knew more than generals.

Timberrrrrrrr

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Remember bonespurs.. An invented medical condition used to excuse avoidance of a personal threat...

But he is the healthiest person to ever hold office!

"If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency," wrote Dr. Harold Bornstein in the December 2015. He added: "His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary."

Well, that's what he told the doctors to say.

"He dictated that whole letter. I didn't write that letter," Bornstein told CNN in 2018. "I just made it up as I went along." Added Bornstein: "(Trump) dictated the letter and I would tell him what he couldn't put in there. They came to pick up their letter at 4 o'clock or something."

Bornstein also told NBC that Trump's medical records had been taken from him by former Trump bodyguard Keith Schiller and another man just days after the doctor told The New York Times that the President took medicine to grow his hair.

Leroy42

alchemist33 wrote: »

Texas is getting a lot of migration from California too these days, which I've seen Texans complain online about.

Maybe they should build a wall.

circadian

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

570,000 Americans dodged the draft.

Trump, Bill Clinton, Bush and Sanders all dodged the draft under various excuses.

There is a singer I cant remember his name but he took crystal meth before his army physical and literally pooped his pants during the medical to avoid the draft.

Twas common enough now

Not sure what your point is here.

Cody montana

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

570,000 Americans dodged the draft.

Trump, Bill Clinton, Bush and Sanders all dodged the draft under various excuses.

There is a singer I cant remember his name but he took crystal meth before his army physical and literally pooped his pants during the medical to avoid the draft.

Twas common enough now

“As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager“