Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

Making documents available in a legal case, usually means drowning them with rooms full of paper.

Yeah but this is the manhattan DA we are talking about here, and if the New York Times could go through the tax returns and other documents of the trump family in a timely fashion for their superb article, then I'm sure the manhattan DA can go through it relatively quickly. The main reason is the stormy Daniels pay off so the timeline is fairly tight on when that happened.

Itssoeasy

Donald trump has commuted roger stones prison sentence who was convicted of covering up for trump. Drain the swamp indeed. Even Nixon didn't pardon his people.

Arghus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Donald trump has commuted roger stones prison sentence who was convicted of covering up for trump. Drain the swamp indeed. Even Nixon didn't pardon his people.

It's all a great distraction. Get the media off his back for a while about the virus, get them all riled up talking about Roger Stone.

StringerBell

It's just naked, brazen corruption in full view of the public without a care in the world. America is in big, big trouble and worse if he grifts his way to a second term

Incredible, and I do always wonder for any of his supporters, I know the ones round here have largely disappeared, but I do always wonder do they stop to think how they would feel about the actions if it was a guy from the other team carrying them out.

He is an absolute disgrace. A stomach turning human being.

Itssoeasy

And just for the record of the thread roger stone as a result of the Robert mueller investigation was CONVICTED of lying to congress, obstruction and tampering of witneses.

I take it the usa can no longer call out other authoritarian countries when they do the very thing Donald trump has done tonight. Hopefully the American media don't get distracted by this and stay on the important issues of coronavirus and the fact the American president seems to have done nothing in regards to Russia putting bounties on what America rightly describes as "the best of us."

aloyisious

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Donald trump has commuted roger stones prison sentence who was convicted of covering up for trump. Drain the swamp indeed. Even Nixon didn't pardon his people.

He gets to keep his convicted felon record as its a commution of sentence, not a pardon wiping the board clean. There's a plus in that as it implies a pardon would have been a step too far for Trumps legal advisors, whatever about the top judges. Imagine the look on W/H residents faces when they hear Stone on U.S TV saying he's going to write a book about his legal experiences.

alchemist33

https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1281681337351626752?s=20


And here's Stone admitting he got his sentence commuted because he had dirt on Trump. It's like a crime drama where the gangland boss will get his lackey out as long as he doesn't sing like a canary.

robinph

alchemist33 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1281681337351626752?s=20


And here's Stone admitting he got his sentence commuted because he had dirt on Trump. It's like a crime drama where the gangland boss will get his lackey out as long as he doesn't sing like a canary.

Which whilst that is Trump sticking his fingers up at anyone trying to come after him, the inability to realise that at some stage very soon he's not going to be the president anymore and whoever he is currently sticking his fingers up at will be free to come back after him, especially as he's just admitted guilt by cancelling the sentence for someone who says they have more dirt on him.

listermint

Can't wait to see trump in the dock . Il actually have a beer to celebrate.

aloyisious

alchemist33 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1281681337351626752?s=20


And here's Stone admitting he got his sentence commuted because he had dirt on Trump. It's like a crime drama where the gangland boss will get his lackey out as long as he doesn't sing like a canary.

Two-part question: ref his 7 felony convictions, does the state he's a resident in have a law denying convicted felons the vote AND if his home state did have such a law, would it apply to him? Is he a Florida resident for the purpose of voting?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-republicans-move-limit-felon-voting-rights-despite-constitutional-amendment-n985156

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/florida-governor-signs-bill-making-it-harder-for-felons-to-regain-voting-rights/2019/06/28/5e446828-9a0b-11e9-916d-9c61607d8190_story.html

Itssoeasy

aloyisious wrote: »

He gets to keep his convicted felon record as its a commution of sentence, not a pardon wiping the board clean. There's a plus in that as it implies a pardon would have been a step too far for Trumps legal advisors, whatever about the top judges. Imagine the look on W/H residents faces when they hear Stone on U.S TV saying he's going to write a book about his legal experiences.

Do you honestly think roger stone and trump care about the difference ? No, they are trying to rewrite history because they were caught doing something the shouldn’t have been.

EltonJohn69

Assuming Trump is President in a few months can Stones be charged again/sent to prison ?

Wanderer78

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Assuming Trump is President in a few months can Stones be charged again/sent to prison ?

probably wont happen, he ll probably walk away soon enough

To be honest, commuting the sentence seems more like tying up loose ends before November as he's bricking it.

PropJoe10

Absolutely disgusting use of the US justice system by an obviously corrupt human wrecking ball. The US cannot survive another 4 years of this lawlessness.

The Phantom Jipper

Could Trump not have done this after the election, even if he lost? Seems like sheer madness doing this now, and completely stepping all over whatever shred of a "law and order" message he might claim to have.

Wanderer78

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Could Trump not have done this after the election, even if he lost? Seems like sheer madness doing this now, and completely stepping all over whatever shred of a "law and order" message he might claim to have.

law and order? you do realise hes trying to break up all institutions in america, including the legal system, undermine everything for personal gain is his philosophy

banie01

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Donald trump has commuted roger stones prison sentence who was convicted of covering up for trump. Drain the swamp indeed. Even Nixon didn't pardon his people.

This is why 'pardon power" needs to be removed completely from the gift of elected officials.

Put it in the hands of a committee or statutory body but remove pardon and commutation power from the gift of elected officials.

The argument often made that it is a protection against miscarriage of justice is a patent absurdity.

Itssoeasy

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Could Trump not have done this after the election, even if he lost? Seems like sheer madness doing this now, and completely stepping all over whatever shred of a "law and order" message he might claim to have.

If he loses in November then there may not be enough toner and paper in the White House to keep up with the amount of lose end tie ups.

Professor Moriarty

Itssoeasy wrote: »

If he loses in November then there may not be enough toner and paper in the White House to keep up with the amount of lose end tie ups.

Expect a massive order for shredders once he knows that he hasn't a hope.

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Expect a massive order for shredders once he knows that he hasn't a hope.

Sure he's doing that now. There was a story about him ripping up documents which is against the law which is meant to preserve presidential documents for posterity and poor White House staffers tapping them back together.

Also, the issue of trump of refusing to leave office if he loses. There seems to be a consequence for cabinet officials should they be found to help the president stay in office.

Professor Moriarty

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Sure he's doing that now. There was a story about him ripping up documents which is against the law which is meant to preserve presidential documents for posterity and poor White House staffers tapping them back together.

Also, the issue of trump of refusing to leave office if he loses. There seems to be a consequence for cabinet officials should they be found to help the president stay in office.

The military would ultimately step in but I can't see it happening. Once he leaves or is escorted outside, he'll spend the rest of his life in courtrooms.

The Phantom Jipper

Wanderer78 wrote: »

law and order? you do realise hes trying to break up all institutions in america, including the legal system, undermine everything for personal gain is his philosophy

That's kind of my point, he'll claim to be the law and order candidate as a central part of his campaign and yet has just served up an example that'll run in ads until election day completely undermining his own message.

Wanderer78

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

That's kind of my point, he'll claim to be the law and order candidate as a central part of his campaign and yet has just served up an example that'll run in ads until election completely undermining his own message.

a cluster b such as him doesnt care for anyone or anything, they ll say anything in the hope of personal gain

TomOnBoard

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the two firms involved have said they are examining the ruling to understand their legal obligations. I doubt either firm would be dumb enough to resist a legal order so obtaining them won't take time once they hand them over. The review of them may take time but I doubt it takes a long time. I get the impression that the prosecutors know the things they need to check because let's remember the trump Organisation have been cooperating with documents.

I'd be very surprised if the DA hasn't already seen enough of them (probably leaked out by someone from Trump organisation or DB or Capital One) to have a very good idea of what they will say. The subpoenas are needed to cover legalities to ensure they don't run foul of 'fruit of the poisoned tree' arguments later.

I watch "Billions" and see how Chuck Roades and his crew perform...

TomOnBoard

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Assuming Trump is President in a few months can Stones be charged again/sent to prison ?

Not for the same crime(s).

However, given that Stone has been 'rat****ing' around politics ever since the 60s, and known Trump since the '80s, you can be sure that he's done one or hundreds of 'favours' for Donnie over the decades that skirted the bounds of legality. Stone knows so much about Trump's secrets and lies over those decades, which is what he says he has kept quiet during this process. Now, if any of that possible illegality came to light over the course of the investigation into his behaviour(s), then further charges may well ensue.

In any event, the DoJ folks who worked in putting Stone away must be seething with rage at this development. They too will have their day!

sid waddell

listermint wrote: »

Can't wait to see trump in the dock . Il actually have a beer to celebrate.

Any reasonable person would love to see it. But I don't see it happening. America's institutions have failed because they are built on norms, not rules, and norms require good faith operators to function, and fail when confronted with fascists.

What happened with Stone was entirely predictable, you'd have been mad to believe he would do anything else.

There will be a lot more of this stuff between now and the election, which will likely be fixed. And when Trump "wins" (it'll be an obviously fraudulent "victory"), every case against a Trump ally will be summarily shut down.

And Ghislaine Maxwell may well be used as a weapon to try and destroy Trump's political opponents, possibly before the election. Maxwell is a political operative herself and a congenital liar who will be willing to say anything to void or lessen her prison time, so the assumption should be that her arrest is a catch and kill, or catch and use to destroy opponents manoeuvre.

Even if Biden somehow does get in, expect the criminality of the Trump regime and their cronies to be swept under the carpet for the sake of the bogus concept of "unity". Thus legitimising that criminality and inviting much more of it in the future.

ECO_Mental

Trying to look for the positives of the whole sh1t show that is the GOP and Trump and I have come to the conclusion this is good let them at it.....:cool::cool:

Come November this year the GOP will get wiped out hopefully for a generation, the Dems will get a super majority in both houses and will then proceed to right all the wrongs

Top of my list

Ban Gerrymandering
Ban voter restriction efforts
Implement Environmental carbon reduction laws
Pack every single Judge with the most liberal judges they can come up with
Etc
etc

Let the GOP drag themselves into the gutter the worse they get and more Dem voters will come out and vote.

Good luck to Trump hes doing us all a Favour

robinph

TomOnBoard wrote: »

In any event, the DoJ folks who worked in putting Stone away must be seething with rage at this development. They too will have their day!

They must have a multitude of other threads that they were investigating but just didn't quite have enough to follow through on to be certain of a conviction. One the dodgy safety net of Trump being president has gone I'd expect a few of those threads to be pulled on to see where they lead.

serfboard

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Could Trump not have done this after the election

It’s possible that Stone’s help might be sought for the election campaign. Pretty inconvenient to do from inside a prison cell ...