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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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    #362
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Forget Covid, the abymsal leadership, the blind eye to Russia, the regressive environmental steps, the absence of a wall, the business focused bail outs etc etc, 'They're trying to steal the election!!!' will be the cry from the Republican side.
    But the voting public ,including his base will be gagging to see his returns and so will be complicit.

    Also ,why didn't he just show his tax returns like all other recent candidates have done (and he promised)?

    Not sure why any of the other issues need to be forgotten . He has trodden a slimy path from the outset and left endless hostages to fortune(and our bad fortune at that).


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    #363
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,254 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Don't think the SDNY would move on him prior to the election. Their business is successfully prosecuting a case. Next year will suit them fine, whether he's reelected or not.


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    #364
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Tell me how wrote: »
    It shows how bizarre a situation it is with him that on reading your post, my immediate though was that I hope he doesn't get a late summer early autumn surprise as if it was negative enough (for him) it would lead to massive calls from GOP of it being political and used to suggest that if he loses, it'll be because of some state level judge wanting to make a name for themselves.

    Forget Covid, the abymsal leadership, the blind eye to Russia, the regressive environmental steps, the absence of a wall, the business focused bail outs etc etc, 'They're trying to steal the election!!!' will be the cry from the Republican side.

    Leave them at it, state courts, no presidential parsons. Good luck Donnie

    Far more likely in that event that deal is done for Donnie to leave through the back door to avoid the charges.

    Either way I can't see it being positive for him.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #365
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Water John wrote: »
    Don't think the SDNY would move on him prior to the election. Their business is successfully prosecuting a case. Next year will suit them fine, whether he's reelected or not.

    I'd expect to know if there's charges via leaks if not officially well before the end of the year though, I'd expect to know before the election in fact.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #366
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Water John wrote: »
    Don't think the SDNY would move on him prior to the election. Their business is successfully prosecuting a case. Next year will suit them fine, whether he's reelected or not.
    You don't think that ,if re elected he would find a way to halt the process?


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    #367
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    amandstu wrote: »
    You don't think that ,if re elected he would find a way to halt the process?

    He absolutely will do whatever he has to if he gets back in, look at how little he has cared about the rule of law and imagine how much worse it will get.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #368
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    amandstu wrote: »
    But the voting public ,including his base will be gagging to see his returns and so will be complicit.

    Also ,why didn't he just show his tax returns like all other recent candidates have done (and he promised)?

    Not sure why any of the other issues need to be forgotten . He has trodden a slimy path from the outset and left endless hostages to fortune(and our bad fortune at that).

    I don't believe they'll show anything particularly illegal (outside of what is being investigated in NY) but what it will show is that his entire persona is build on a huge massive lie.

    This is a man who has spent his life telling everyone how amazing and successful he is at every opportunity but now when given an opportunity to prove it he fight tooth and nail in court to hide the specifics???

    He's not a Billionaire (or if he is only just) . he's up to his eyes in debt and his businesses are a failing pyramid scheme that haven't turned a net profit in years, if ever.

    His entire persona and ego punctured - That would be a mortal wound to a raging narcissist like Trump .

    Even Fox News agrees


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    #369
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Forget Covid, the abymsal leadership, the blind eye to Russia, the regressive environmental steps, the absence of a wall, the business focused bail outs etc etc, 'They're trying to steal the election!!!' will be the cry from the Republican side.
    Trump will continue to claim the Democrats are trying to fix the election not just as a way to advertise his own crimes - he's planning to fix it - but as a way to get Democrats to ridicule the notion that the election will be fixed, meaning that the Democrats cannot object to the "results" without looking like idiots when Trump actually does fix the election in his favour.

    This is what he did in 2016 and he's doing it again.

    What a neat grift.


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    #370
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I don't believe they'll show anything particularly illegal (outside of what is being investigated in NY) but what it will show is that his entire persona is build on a huge massive lie.

    This is a man who has spent his life telling everyone how amazing and successful he is at every opportunity but now when given an opportunity to prove it he fight tooth and nail in court to hide the specifics???

    He's not a Billionaire (or if he is only just) . he's up to his eyes in debt and his businesses are a failing pyramid scheme that haven't turned a net profit in years, if ever.

    His entire persona and ego punctured - That would be a mortal wound to a raging narcissist like Trump .

    Even Fox News agrees

    Is operating businesses which are a front for Russian mafia money laundering actually illegal?

    Serious question to anybody reading.


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    #371
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    sid waddell wrote: »
    Is operating businesses which are a front for Russian mafia money laundering actually illegal?

    Serious question to anybody reading.

    I guess the key question there would be if it was "knowingly" ?

    If you knew it was funds from criminal activity , that's a crime clear as day.

    If you didn't know , then maybe their might be some breach of business rules for not doing due diligence and the like - You might end up getting your company struck off the register or banned from from being a company director , that kind of thing.


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    #372
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I guess the key question there would be if it was "knowingly" ?

    If you knew it was funds from criminal activity , that's a crime clear as day.

    If you didn't know , then maybe their might be some breach of business rules for not doing due diligence and the like - You might end up getting your company struck off the register or banned from from being a company director , that kind of thing.

    It seems to me it becomes harder to claim you didn't know when there's a consistent pattern there which spans three decades.


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    #373
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    There's a meme going around that says it all:
    The "billionaire" who hides his tax returns
    The "genius" who hides his college grades
    The "businessman" who bankrupted a casino
    The "playboy" who pays for sex
    The "Christian" who doesn't go to church
    The "philanthropist" who defrauds a charity
    The "patriot" who dodged the draft
    The "innocent man" who refused to testify


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    #374
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,524 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Tchaikovsky wrote: »
    There's a meme going around that says it all:
    The "billionaire" who hides his tax returns
    The "genius" who hides his college grades
    The "businessman" who bankrupted a casino
    The "playboy" who pays for sex
    The "Christian" who doesn't go to church
    The "philanthropist" who defrauds a charity
    The "patriot" who dodged the draft
    The "innocent man" who refused to testify

    And they are all demonstrably true! It's not a case of 'He's like someone who.....' He literally did all these things.

    Watching this unfold over the last number of years with the accompanying refusal of his supporters/party to see him for what he is is very revealing in a societal/political way.

    I've said it before, Trump is performing pretty much exactly as I expected he would, but I had no idea that he would be let do so by the structures of the White House or the Republican Party. I figured that once he got elected, he'd welcome strong advisors to stage manage his every word and action but it is had been a fiasco continuously since the beginning.

    It has shown the absence of morality and dignity which dominate in US politics. The 2 party system has been a significant reason as to why it has gotten to this.


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    #375
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I don't believe they'll show anything particularly illegal (outside of what is being investigated in NY) but what it will show is that his entire persona is build on a huge massive lie.

    This is a man who has spent his life telling everyone how amazing and successful he is at every opportunity but now when given an opportunity to prove it he fight tooth and nail in court to hide the specifics???

    He's not a Billionaire (or if he is only just) . he's up to his eyes in debt and his businesses are a failing pyramid scheme that haven't turned a net profit in years, if ever.

    His entire persona and ego punctured - That would be a mortal wound to a raging narcissist like Trump .

    Even Fox News agrees

    If that turned out to be so ,I would actually think better of him (no fault of his own to have inherited Daddy's money and to have been a poor businessman).

    The suspicion is that the GRU did their job (compromat) on Trump
    We already know the manunculus is a sick joke but such a revelation would mean the joke was on the American public (and us ).


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    #376
    bmc58
    Registered Users Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭bmc58


    pixelburp wrote: »
    America First in action it seems: the US has bought 90% of world supplies of a key CoVid treatment drug, leaving the rest of the world lacking for the next 3 months. Only one company holds the patent (insert Big Pharma rant here). Says a lot IMO when an institution supposedly meant to make sober, considered actions behaves like a panicky hoarder buying up all the loo roll.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

    The way Covid 19 is spreading in their country now,they'll want every drop of it and more.


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    #377
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,580 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Trump seems to think there is a difference between mail-in ballots and absentee ballots, the first are "dishonest" and the second are "fine". Is there any actual difference or is he just confused?


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    #378
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,580 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Water John wrote: »
    Don't think the SDNY would move on him prior to the election. Their business is successfully prosecuting a case. Next year will suit them fine, whether he's reelected or not.

    I'd like to think that, like with the USSC decision to pass the issue of of Trump's tax declarations being made public back down to the lower courts, it's to NOT give Trump any cause to say they interfered with the election like Comey allegedly did [not that not having any excuse to make an accusation would bother Trump].


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    #379
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,071 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    aloyisious wrote:
    Trump seems to think there is a difference between mail-in ballots and absentee ballots, the first are "dishonest" and the second are "fine". Is there any actual difference or is he just confused?


    Think he's a bit more than confused to be honest, very little going on up stairs there, wouldn't be surprised if he packed in the election, looking less likely he ll be reelected, his ego is too fragile for a defeat, he d rather quit and blame everyone else


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    #380
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Trump seems to think there is a difference between mail-in ballots and absentee ballots, the first are "dishonest" and the second are "fine". Is there any actual difference or is he just confused?

    Yeah, there's a difference.

    Basically, they both use the mail (and fax in unusual cases for absentees) to transport the votes.

    Absentee ballots are sent to ppl who can't physically be at the polling booth. They must be applied for and, in most states, a reason ('excuse') given. Examples include military personnel, students living away etc.

    Some states operate a mail in ballots system whereby the elections are conducted predominantly via the mail.

    So, the issue seems to be boiling down to attempts to extend the absentee ballot principle to all voters and dropping the need for an 'excuse' if a voter wishes to vote by mail instead of in person.

    Trump is saying that the process involved in applying for an absentee ballot ensures some security, and if that 'excuse' requirement were dropped, voter fraud would increase. Many others believe that's simply BS.


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    #381
    TomOnBoard
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Think he's a bit more than confused to be honest, very little going on up stairs there, wouldn't be surprised if he packed in the election, looking less likely he ll be reelected, his ego is too fragile for a defeat, he d rather quit and blame everyone else

    This is very likely IMO. He won't just quit, but will 'get' a convenient health condition that means and can't run again, thereby saving face. Whether he does that in a timeframe that allows an alternative candidate to run, or simply says "Phuck 'em... Let Mitch and the rest of 'em figure it out", or resigns completely and puts Pence in the chair who will then pardon any/all offences he might have committed.... Anyone's guess at this stage...


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    #382
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    How long until the ways and means committee case will be ruled on?

    Incredible to think something literally written into law is being contested in a serious manner.

    They need some serious reform in the US to stop administrations doing this running out the clock in the future

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #383
    listermint
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    https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1281675261931671552

    Well well...


    "NEW: A federal judge in NY – acting quickly on his own and without being asked by either side -- has ordered attorneys for President Trump and Manhattan D.A. Cy Vance to inform the court by next Wednesday morning how they expect to proceed with the subpoena for Trump's tax docs"


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    #384
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,071 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    TomOnBoard wrote:
    This is very likely IMO. He won't just quit, but will 'get' a convenient health condition that means and can't run again, thereby saving face. Whether he does that in a timeframe that allows an alternative candidate to run, or simply says "Phuck 'em... Let Mitch and the rest of 'em figure it out", or resigns completely and puts Pence in the chair who will then pardon any/all offences he might have committed.... Anyone's guess at this stage...


    Does he normally live in trump towers, thinking of sending a few dummies to him when he bombs?


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    #385
    Water John
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    I presume that's the judge in charge of the Grand Jury?
    Obtaining and examining the tax returns and doing an indepth cross analysis should take some time.


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    #386
    Arghus
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    Judging by his quotes, it sounds like it's a matter of time before he gets rid of Dr. Fauci.


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    #387
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    listermint wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1281675261931671552

    Well well...


    "NEW: A federal judge in NY – acting quickly on his own and without being asked by either side -- has ordered attorneys for President Trump and Manhattan D.A. Cy Vance to inform the court by next Wednesday morning how they expect to proceed with the subpoena for Trump's tax docs"


    Has form for acting speedily on Trump matters before actually, a part I forgot when I was explaining why I don't think this necessarily drags on too long and we might get something out of it before the election.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #388
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 54,033 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Arghus wrote: »
    Judging by his quotes, it sounds like it's a matter of time before he gets rid of Dr. Fauci.

    He's been dying to get rid of him, it's only a matter of time.

    Fauci is barely on tv anymore as the White House are trying to stop Fauci telling the true costs of the Covid.

    The USA needs a wake up call and unfortunately Trump isnt the person to provide this and Fauci has to say how bad it is.

    I do look forward to the day when Fauci retires and brings out a book about his time under this crazy administration, it will an unbelievable read


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    #389
    PropJoe10
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Does he normally live in trump towers, thinking of sending a few dummies to him when he bombs?

    He'll probably move to Jeffrey Epstein's island off Florida or something.


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    #390
    Itssoeasy
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    Water John wrote: »
    I presume that's the judge in charge of the Grand Jury?
    Obtaining and examining the tax returns and doing an indepth cross analysis should take some time.

    Well the two firms involved have said they are examining the ruling to understand their legal obligations. I doubt either firm would be dumb enough to resist a legal order so obtaining them won't take time once they hand them over. The review of them may take time but I doubt it takes a long time. I get the impression that the prosecutors know the things they need to check because let's remember the trump Organisation have been cooperating with documents.


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    #391
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,254 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Making documents available in a legal case, usually means drowning them with rooms full of paper.


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