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Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 polesheep


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Then we need somewhere to park so we can use the beauitful park .Not everyone lives within walking distance and it is there for us all to enjoy

    But if you create parking for everyone then there will be less and less beautiful park for all to enjoy. It is a city park, there are limits to how much access we can give to cars in our growing (population) city. If some people have to drive to the park then we should be looking at why we do not have more parks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    Loads of parks near me and Dublin in general. Phoenix park one of very few that does not have parking at the entrance or around it. That requires you to drive into the middle of it to park.

    You want to keep that illogical design. When it's been the cause of arguments for decades.

    It's like a bucket with a tiny hole to fill it and to empty it. People complain it's always full and takes ages to empty it. But won't change how they use it, or the design of it. Because some mad old grandparent made it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭ Hurrache


    Motors weren't really a factor back when the park was 'man made'.

    Where they could use for parking though is where they currently have gigs (don't get me started on that) and use overflow parking for events on in the visitor centre, at the Ashtown gate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Motors weren't really a factor back when the park was 'man made'. ....

    They had a car racing in it 100 yrs ago and frequently changed it since.

    People like to say people are looking to concrete over the whole thing. When all people are looking to it change improve how it works. Improve it as a park.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭ Hurrache


    Doesn't matter if they had F1 in it last year, it wasn't 'built' with cars in mind.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Doesn't matter if they had F1 in it last year, it wasn't 'built' with cars in mind.

    Pre dates bicycles yet people want changes for bicycles.

    There's double standards being applied here. If a change suits a certain agenda then conservation is ignored.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Did you follow them? I think that’s called stalking...

    Seriously they could be going anywhere, even if it is town so what and NONE of your business

    This is a discussion about the Phoenix park, cars driving & parking in it.
    People have made the point, me included, that plenty of cars parked there belong to commuters, who use it as a big free car park.
    There are people on here complaining that there isn't enough parking for users, there is. The problem is people parking there that are not using the park.
    so, you see very much the business of all park users I would think.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    beauf wrote: »
    Why don't you ring Garda HQ or the Park Ranger. One of them will be deciding if that's ok or not.

    What do you mean ok? do you mean legal?
    Trust me,I am well aware that it is legal. But isn't that one of the points we are discussing here? all day parking by commuters should be stopped & then there would be more than enough parking for actual users of the park.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    I mean the opw complains about parking and commuters but then encourages it by doing nothing about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    bubblypop wrote: »
    This is a discussion about the Phoenix park, cars driving & parking in it.
    People have made the point, me included, that plenty of cars parked there belong to commuters, who use it as a big free car park.
    There are people on here complaining that there isn't enough parking for users, there is. The problem is people parking there that are not using the park.
    so, you see very much the business of all park users I would think.

    Ban all commuters then. Including cyclists.

    Then there's no conflict between cyclists and pedestrians either.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭ woody22


    Surely just make it paid parking. That would disincentivise the commuters and shoppers, who use it as a parking lot. Maybe free for an hour or two and then jack up the prices


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    beauf wrote: »
    Ban all commuters then. Including cyclists.

    Then there's no conflict between cyclists and pedestrians either.

    You must find things difficult to understand......
    I have no problem with commuters using the park for commuting, I just don't think they should use it as a big free carpark for the city....

    I think people that park in the Phoenix Park should be either working in th epark, or visiting the park itself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    woody22 wrote: »
    Surely just make it paid parking. That would disincentivise the commuters and shoppers, who use it as a parking lot. Maybe free for an hour or two and then jack up the prices

    Seems to be beyond them.

    Fines for parking on the grass etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭ zerosugarbuzz


    bubblypop wrote: »
    You must find things difficult to understand......
    I have no problem with commuters using the park for commuting, I just don't think they should use it as a big free carpark for the city....

    I think people that park in the Phoenix Park should be either working in th epark, or visiting the park itself.

    Compromise. Put paid parking in the park. Max €5 for max 5 hours. Gets rid of those working in town but not too expensive for leisure users.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    bubblypop wrote: »
    You must find things difficult to understand......
    I have no problem with commuters using the park for commuting, I just don't think they should use it as a big free carpark for the city....

    I think people that park in the Phoenix Park should be either working in th epark, or visiting the park itself.

    Likewise you must be struggling with the title of the thread. Parking AND Traffic in the Park.

    You're pet subject is obviously people using it as park and ride. (Though you don't know if they have parked and just going to get a coffee in the shop, before going back to work, I say that because we see them walking back with stuff like coffees from that shop) But it overlaps with people parking and using the park, and also commuters, cyclists and whole load of things.

    But if people don't want to treat them as inter-related fine lets do blank bans and be ignorant of the nuances of it all. But do it to everyone. Seems fair.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    beauf wrote: »
    Likewise you must be struggling with the title of the thread. Parking AND Traffic in the Park.

    You're pet subject is obviously people using it as park and ride. (Though you don't know if they have parked and just going to get a coffee in the shop, before going back to work, I say that because we see them walking back with stuff like coffees from that shop) But it overlaps with people parking and using the park, and also commuters, cyclists and whole load of things.

    But if people don't want to treat them as inter-related fine lets do blank bans and be ignorant of the nuances of it all. But do it to everyone. Seems fair.

    From what shop?
    I watch people everyday, this morning at 6.45am included, parking their cars & heading into town. And I can assure you that I do know that the 2 this morning parked outside Garda HQ for the day, as their cars were still parked there half an hour ago.

    Do what to everyone? You want more car parks put into the Phoenix park, when there are enough parking space for everyone using the park. The trick is to just allow parking for patrons of the park.

    I don't see any issues with persons driving through the park, or cyclists or pedestrians.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    bubblypop wrote: »
    From what shop?
    I watch people everyday, this morning at 6.45am included, parking their cars & heading into town. And I can assure you that I do know that the 2 this morning parked outside Garda HQ for the day, as their cars were still parked there half an hour ago.

    If they were working in the HQ or the Zoo or similar, you'd expect them to be there all day.

    I've always assumed the majority were staff. Indeed someone else on one of these forums said they park on the Ave for work in the park, as they don't have allocated parking.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/civilian-staff-in-cars-are-refused-entry-to-garda-hq-1.169413
    bubblypop wrote: »
    Do what to everyone? You want more car parks put into the Phoenix park, when there are enough parking space for everyone using the park. The trick is to just allow parking for patrons of the park.
    .

    No I wanted better use of parking. Also you can keep saying there is enough parking but that doesn't make it true. Considering the problems outside of work hours which are well known.

    But don't let facts get in the way of the dogma.
    bubblypop wrote: »
    I don't see any issues with persons driving through the park, or cyclists or pedestrians.

    You don't see what you don't want to see. There's a ton of video, photographic and media evidence to prove there are issues. You don't have to accept anyones opinion on it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    beauf wrote: »
    If they were working in the HQ or the Zoo or similar, you'd expect them to be there all day.

    I've always assumed the majority were staff. Indeed someone else on one of these forums said they park on the Ave for work in the park, as they don't have allocated parking.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/civilian-staff-in-cars-are-refused-entry-to-garda-hq-1.169413



    No I wanted better use of parking. Also you can keep saying there is enough parking but that doesn't make it true. Considering the problems outside of work hours which are well known.

    But don't let facts get in the way of the dogma.



    You don't see what you don't want to see. There's a ton of video, photographic and media evidence to prove there are issues. You don't have to accept anyones opinion on it.

    I know if someone works in the depot, also zoo staff have enough parking inside the zoo.
    Like i said, no issue with people parking in the park if they are working in or visiting the park. That is fair enough.
    Its the people parking there and going elsewhere that's the problem.

    Better use of parking? what does that mean exactly? tow cars parked on grass? yes, I agree. Force those lazy drivers to an actual car park instead of on the grass.


    what issues are there regarding cyclists & pedestrians in the park?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    If you don't know by now, nothing I say can explain it to you.

    In pretty sure any article or video will be, ignored, taken out of context, or "I know a guy".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    Have an entrance fee for the park, for pedestrians, cyclists and cars.

    Let people vote with their wallet of they want to be there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭ woody22


    beauf wrote: »
    Have an entrance fee for the park, for pedestrians, cyclists and cars.

    Let people vote with their wallet of they want to be there.

    For pedestrians????


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,384 ✭✭✭✭ Stark


    woody22 wrote: »
    For pedestrians????

    It's to make up for them not paying"road tax"


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,468 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    woody22 wrote: »
    Surely just make it paid parking. That would disincentivise the commuters and shoppers, who use it as a parking lot. Maybe free for an hour or two and then jack up the prices

    I'd agree in principle but the place would be ruined with signage and in fairness to OPW they keep that kind of pollution to the absolute minimum in the Park.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭ woody22


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I'd agree in principle but the place would be ruined with signage and in fairness to OPW they keep that kind of pollution to the absolute minimum in the Park.

    I think that a single big board at every entrance would be fine. Rather have some signage if it meant less parking


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    woody22 wrote: »
    For pedestrians????

    Pay for the upkeep of the park.
    You use it. You pay for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭ woody22


    beauf wrote: »
    Pay for the upkeep of the park.
    You use it. You pay for it.

    You’re right. There should also be a fee for walking on the pavement in the city


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    woody22 wrote: »
    You’re right. There should also be a fee for walking on the pavement in the city

    Who do think pays for them...


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,468 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    beauf wrote: »
    Have an entrance fee for the park, for pedestrians, cyclists and cars.

    Let people vote with their wallet of they want to be there.

    Ah would ya cop on to life.

    Phoenix Park is the jewel in the crown of the OPW, they run it on behalf of the people of Ireland and they use our taxes to do it, pretty well overall. Would you dream of seeing a charge for pedestrian entry into Hyde Park or Richmond Park or the Tiergarten?! Let's be serious here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭ woody22


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Ah would ya cop on to life.

    Phoenix Park is the jewel in the crown of the OPW, they run it on behalf of the people of Ireland and they use our taxes to do it, pretty well overall. Would you dream of seeing a charge for pedestrian entry into Hyde Park or Richmond Park or the Tiergarten?! Let's be serious here.

    It’s a wind up


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,255 ✭✭✭✭ Spanish Eyes


    Doesn't matter, no one is listening, no one who can decide really cares.

    North Road for through traffic, no parking ever on Chesterfield.

    Paid parking everywhere else.

    Pedestrians and cyclists free to enter. It is important to protect the fabric of this wonderful park. For everyone.


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