FF/FG/Green Next Government

RandomViewer

antimatterx wrote: »

Rumours Leo might take Finance.

FF get finance, FG have no say on what anyone gets, pecking order is FF, Green and FG get the scraps,

Truthvader

smurgen wrote: »

Imagine what you must think of Eoghan Murphy (8th count) or Simon Harris (15th count lol) two of the worst most incompetent lumps in memory. Their only ability is being too thick to quit.

Oh yeah Eoghan Murphy didn't build a million free houses in the 18 months he was a Minister, the useless bastard,

Grow Up FFS

Jinglejangle69

Lundstram wrote: »

Or someone with a proven track record in the finance industry.

It amazes me people forget where this country was when FG came into power, they got us to full employment, reduced our national debt to manageble levels and got the IMF off our backs. Yet you and your ilk still moan.

All rage and bluster but nothing meaningful to contribute.. reminds me of a certain party.

Don't forget the rainy day fund Pascal persevered with when Pearse Doherty wanted to spend it a year ago.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PfG as pointed out is not a decision...it frim fannery that will be torn up as soon as the new Taoiseach gets back from the Aras. If that even happens.

Ok......

Millionaire only not

RandomViewer wrote: »

FF get finance, FG have no say on what anyone gets, pecking order is FF, Green and FG get the scraps,

Fg to do the backseat driving, if they hit a wall in first leg of the journey with Michae’l driving Ull see Leo back in charge.
I think fg are actually being very smart here as it’s the greens and ff will take the battering if it goes wrong.
Fg relies sf are here to stay as the second largest party and this act is to finish off ff for good .

RandomViewer

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its actually shocking when you look at it. All economic indicators pointing towards a deep recession and we are being promised

-NBP 3bn
-NCH -2bn and rising
-Metrolink 4bn and rising
-10,000 social houses built by the private sector- easily 3bn
-End of direct provision so now 4,000 people needing their rent paid in private apartments, easily 350 million over 5 years.

And not a tax increase in sight while we have hundreds of thousands unemployed and businesses crashing to the wall. No suggestion that social welfare will be cut either so that bill remains at around 20 billion.

This is fantasy economics from FFGG. They must have had the seeds to that magic money tree all along.

What part of the social welfare bill do you expect cut, maybe make employers pay sick pay and maternity, if so do we all get our PRSI back? Jobseekers is less than 15% of the welfare budget and half that is stamps paid,

FFVII

I wish they would stop wasting money.

RandomViewer

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Fg to do the backseat driving, if they hit a wall in first leg of the journey with Michae’l driving Ull see Leo back in charge.
I think fg are actually being very smart here as it’s the greens and ff will take the battering if it goes wrong.
Fg relies sf are here to stay as the second largest party and this act is to finish off ff for good .[/QUOTE/.

How? Leo is looking for exit strategy, either EU next year or move to America, his day has past, possibly Coveney as well, FG s next leader will one of the grey suits who appear with Ivan Yates, They are almost indistinguishable from each other.

RandomViewer

FFVII wrote: »

I wish they would stop wasting money.

Some Green Rep on radio this morning saying that for every Euro spent on roads there had to be two spent on public transport, so will we have lots of empty buses coming and going to the middle of nowhere just to keep the Greens happy

Shefwedfan

RandomViewer wrote: »

Some Green Rep on radio this morning saying that for every Euro spent on roads there had to be two spent on public transport, so will we have lots of empty buses coming and going to the middle of nowhere just to keep the Greens happy

Why are you so afraid of public transport?

RandomViewer

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why are you so afraid of public transport?

To quote your favourite pinup Margaret Hilda Thatcher, " Only losers take the bus", have owned cars for 34 years and no matter how bad some of them were that were a hundred times better than a bus, I truly despise buses, the smell, the stiuffiness, the uncomfortable seats, the obnoxious passengers, the barely sober driver, the terrible music on the radio,

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

Imagine what you must think of Eoghan Murphy (8th count) or Simon Harris (15th count lol) two of the worst most incompetent lumps in memory. Their only ability is being too thick to quit.

There is no shortage of people who don't have a clue about how our electoral system works.

Time to bring back Civics as a proper subject.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That was the first point P. Doherty scored tonight...laughed Thomas out of it. It's just mindblowing that either FG or FF memberships will go for this...the pain they must know they will endure when this programme is ripped up like the manifesto's is clear for all to see.
It's will be a question of who gets decimated the most.

Pearse Doherty the fiscal conservative?

There is reinventing oneself, there is reincarnation, and there is Pearse Doherty.

Mules

AdamD wrote: »

So in the same post you're giving out about people not having a clue about finance, but also claiming the banks are exempt from tax on their earnings?

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

I'm not giving out about people not knowing about finance and banks in Ireland do receive a tax exemption.

smelly sock

Snakes the lot of them. People didnt vote for this ****e. Mehole Martin.

It's like putting Larry Murphy in charge of the rape crisis centre. FF ruined the country and Mehole was at the wheel.

Good old Ireland.

flazio

smelly sock wrote: »

Snakes the lot of them. People didnt vote for this ****e. Mehole Martin.

It's like putting Larry Murphy in charge of the rape crisis centre. FF ruined the country and Mehole was at the wheel.

Good old Ireland.

Right, now you have slept off whatever caused you to resort to childish name calling, you'd realise that through the proportional representation system, people voted for FF to have the exact same number of seats as SF. (minus the Ceann Comhairle)

Bodhran22 wrote: »

Top priority is reunification and winning a border poll. We need to start planning now.

Top priority is still protecting lives and ensuring that the virus stays at levels our hospitals can cope with. After that the priority has to be steadying the economy from what has to be the biggest shock to the system the world has ever seen.

Poor_old_gill

smelly sock wrote: »

Snakes the lot of them. People didnt vote for this ****e. Mehole Martin.

It's like putting Larry Murphy in charge of the rape crisis centre. FF ruined the country and Mehole was at the wheel.

Good old Ireland.

The vitriol that SF have instilled in their voters is
worrying.

This goes back to knowing f*ckall about what happened with the last crisis & knowing f*ckall about SF have done when in power in the north or how workable their proposals are.

They’re just one election away from playing the Trumpian “they took arrr jobs” card.

Poor_old_gill

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Useless f**ker even got fined last time for not attending. Absolute waste of space


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eight-politicians-denied-full-allowance-over-poor-attendance-1.3949510


Not going to bring around much "change" sitting on his ass at home

“We’ve had enough of experts”

Or people who have the ability, discipline and dedication to finish a 3 year course.

Wasn’t dropping out halfway through and then going back later, only to make a other mess of it, the SF approach in the north

Yurt2

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

The vitriol that SF have instilled in their voters is
worrying.

This goes back to knowing f*ckall about what happened with the last crisis & knowing f*ckall about SF have done when in power in the north or how workable their proposals are.

They’re just one election away from playing the Trumpian “they took arrr jobs” card.

You must have missed the last few months on here and other social media outlets, where traumatized FG supporters were labeling all and sundry sc*mbags etc for having the temerity to not vote for the smart clever hard working boy party (tm).


One of the most unedifying post-election displays I've seen in Ireland in living memory.


There's very little in the way of anti-immigrant sentiment displayed by SF representatives btw (whatever about other clangers they may have dropped).

Jimmy Garlic

flazio wrote: »

Right, now you have slept off whatever caused you to resort to childish name calling, you'd realise that through the proportional representation system, people voted for FF to have the exact same number of seats as SF. (minus the Ceann Comhairle)


Top priority is still protecting lives and ensuring that the virus stays at levels our hospitals can cope with. After that the priority has to be steadying the economy from what has to be the biggest shock to the system the world has ever seen.

Levels they can cope with? Get real will ya, hospitals have never been so empty and staff never so bone idle, unless you count in the tik tok routines. They have been that way since the start of the “crisis” when every other health condition people may have became none of their concern. You’d want to stop watching Rte every now and again and get some fresh air.

Pa ElGrande

The European Green Deal is a Bad Deal

That’s because the EU Commission just released its “Farm to Fork” strategy, which is the agricultural portion of the European Green Deal. It announces a series of unrealistic goals: In the next decade, farmers like me are supposed to slash our use of crop-protection products by half, cut our application of fertilizer by 20 percent, and transform a quarter of total farmland into organic production.

None of this, of course, is supposed to disrupt anybody’s dinner.

source

Pork politics. The political establishment sees lot of stimulus money coming out of Brussels under the Green banner. The play will be there is no alternative (TINA) game and use the urban Green party as the scapegoat since those most impacted live in rural communities.


Programme for Government (page 33)

• Transforming the scale of organic farming, with the delivery of a fair price for farmers at its heart.
• Building on Ireland’s relative carbon efficiency in food production and ensuring the delivery of the measures identified by Teagasc to the fullest extent possible.
• Deliver an incremental and ambitious reduction in the use of inorganic nitrogen fertiliser through to 2030.
• Rapidly evaluating the potential role of sustainable bioenergy.

source

Bottom line more welfare payments for farmers who will be producing less because subsidies are funded by trees that grow money. Organic farming is known to be less productive than modern farming methods.

Our goal should be to grow more food on less land. Yet the EU’s present approach, driven by ideology rather than science, will lead to growing less food on more land.

What’s “green” about that?

This is all supposed to happen, by the way, at a time of worldwide population growth. Demographers expect that an additional 2 billion people will inhabit our planet by 2050. We need to feed them, too. Figuring out how to do this over the next 30 years is farming’s major challenge—and the solution, if we find one, lies in the creative use of innovative technologies, products and strategies, especially in the developing world.

source

I suppose that’s one way to address the obesity problem. In Europe all politicians left and right are believers in climate scam for one reason. The two supposedly "right wing" parties in this country have agreed a government deal with the Greens, who got 7% of vote, accepting all the stupidity – 7% per annum cut in carbon (P32), €100 carbon tax (P. 24), and no imported fracked gas. (P. 36). Where will the difference be made up? imports


Ambitious EU climate efforts could increase emissions in the rest of the world

In this scenario, a green transformation of CO2-intensive industries (e.g. concrete, steel and chemicals) will incur new costs for new green technologies, which in turn, will increase the price of products. This could impact the competitiveness of EU products on the global market and be advantageous to China and the United States, who would be continuing their production of similar, yet cheaper goods. The prediction is that fewer goods would then be manufactured in Europe, which would lead to an increase in new imports to satisfy consumer and commercial demand.

Similarly, a phase-out of fossil fuels by the EU would lower global demand, thus making them cheaper. In response, non-EU countries would be likely to import and consume larger quantities of fossil fuels.

Finally, more climate-friendly consumer behaviour in the EU could end up pushing part of the saved CO2 out into the rest of the world as well. For example, while a decrease in red meat consumption by Europeans may reduce imported feed grains such as soybean, it may also result in increased imports of food grains and other plant-based foods the latter of which would increase CO2 emissions in the rest of the world.

source

Catch-22, it's not hard to see a collapse of the EU, will the Great Leap Forward be the straw that breaks the Camels back. Did they not learn from the Yellow Vests or the Dutch farmers?

Shefwedfan

smelly sock wrote: »

Snakes the lot of them. People didnt vote for this ****e. Mehole Martin.

It's like putting Larry Murphy in charge of the rape crisis centre. FF ruined the country and Mehole was at the wheel.

Good old Ireland.

But people did vote, maybe not this exact make up but they voted for it

Shefwedfan

Yurt! wrote: »

You must have missed the last few months on here and other social media outlets, where traumatized FG supporters were labeling all and sundry sc*mbags etc for having the temerity to not vote for the smart clever hard working boy party (tm).


One of the most unedifying post-election displays I've seen in Ireland in living memory.


There's very little in the way of anti-immigrant sentiment displayed by SF representatives btw (whatever about other clangers they may have dropped).

Not really, most of the thread got ruined by a couple of posters who brought every discussion down to SF good, everything bad.

They have popped up here starting the same discussion about the opinion poll which they have rehashed 50 times across the forum

One of them posted the same post across three political thread at the same time and then started a fight on all 3, actually forgetting which thread he was in and posting replies incorrectly.

Do nothing to do with rival parties at all you will find.....

Case in point, the post above, how many times have we seen the same post, people didn’t vote, some childish insult blah blah blah. Are SF supporters unable to understand an election? Of course people voted for it. As I said not in this make up but FF, FG and Greens all got votes. End of story, yet we will see the same stupid post repeated again and again and again

Jinglejangle69

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not really, most of the thread got ruined by a couple of posters who brought every discussion down to SF good, everything bad.

They have popped up here starting the same discussion about the opinion poll which they have rehashed 50 times across the forum

One of them posted the same post across three political thread at the same time and then started a fight on all 3, actually forgetting which thread he was in and posting replies incorrectly.

Do nothing to do with rival parties at all you will find.....

Case in point, the post above, how many times have we seen the same post, people didn’t vote, some childish insult blah blah blah. Are SF supporters unable to understand an election? Of course people voted for it. As I said not in this make up but FF, FG and Greens all got votes. End of story, yet we will see the same stupid post repeated again and again and again

Its not the change peoole voted for is a classic.

These people having a vote are dangerous.

Only their vote should count and noone else's.

Jinglejangle69

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not really, most of the thread got ruined by a couple of posters who brought every discussion down to SF good, everything bad.

They have popped up here starting the same discussion about the opinion poll which they have rehashed 50 times across the forum

One of them posted the same post across three political thread at the same time and then started a fight on all 3, actually forgetting which thread he was in and posting replies incorrectly.

Do nothing to do with rival parties at all you will find.....

Case in point, the post above, how many times have we seen the same post, people didn’t vote, some childish insult blah blah blah. Are SF supporters unable to understand an election? Of course people voted for it. As I said not in this make up but FF, FG and Greens all got votes. End of story, yet we will see the same stupid post repeated again and again and again

Its not the change peoole voted for is a classic.

These people having a vote are dangerous.

Only their vote should count and noone else's.

Shefwedfan

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Its not the change peoole voted for is a classic.

These people having a vote are dangerous.

Only their vote should count and noone else's.

Yes ignore 76% of the country and just consider 24%

This hits it exactly on the head

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/02/17/24-of-electorate-that-voted-sinn-fein-under-impression-100-of-nation-voted-for-party/

This bit needs to be repeated here

Despite the plain language used by volunteers from the That’s Not How Elections Work organisation and their attempts to repeat the information, only a bit more slowly each time, a cohort of people who voted Sinn Féin were still struggling to process the information, and insisted on maintaining the sort of authority only befitting a party that had a mandate that comes with winning 100% of the vote.

Yurt2

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not really, most of the thread got ruined by a couple of posters who brought every discussion down to SF good, everything bad.

They have popped up here starting the same discussion about the opinion poll which they have rehashed 50 times across the forum

One of them posted the same post across three political thread at the same time and then started a fight on all 3, actually forgetting which thread he was in and posting replies incorrectly.

Do nothing to do with rival parties at all you will find.....

Case in point, the post above, how many times have we seen the same post, people didn’t vote, some childish insult blah blah blah. Are SF supporters unable to understand an election? Of course people voted for it. As I said not in this make up but FF, FG and Greens all got votes. End of story, yet we will see the same stupid post repeated again and again and again

I'm not going to defend some of the aggressive posting styles of SF supporters. But you're entirely missing the point. You're content to ignore some of the disdainful and outright insulting codswallop that was coming from the other side.


I'd argue it was worse. It was people having a tantrum about an election result they didn't see coming and weren't able to come to terms with.


I lent SF a vote as in all honesty, they were streets ahead on thinking about housing policy and a basic interrogation of FG's taxation proposals were actually highly irresponsible (despite the marketing bluff of 'fiscal responsibility'). I and a lot of people don't want a cabinet and a government that can't admit painfully obvious failings, and I don't think giving succor to a political movement that throws their toys out of the pram when the failings are pointed out to them is healthy.


As a movement this is actually what FG is. They can't deal with it when the 'clever boys' narrative is exposed for what it is: bluff.

titan18

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its actually shocking when you look at it. All economic indicators pointing towards a deep recession and we are being promised

-NBP 3bn
-NCH -2bn and rising
-Metrolink 4bn and rising
-10,000 social houses built by the private sector- easily 3bn
-End of direct provision so now 4,000 people needing their rent paid in private apartments, easily 350 million over 5 years.

And not a tax increase in sight while we have hundreds of thousands unemployed and businesses crashing to the wall. No suggestion that social welfare will be cut either so that bill remains at around 20 billion.

This is fantasy economics from FFGG. They must have had the seeds to that magic money tree all along.

Paschal has come out and said it's uncosted, and Varadkar has said it will require borrowing to do it. We're really running head first off a cliff financially

Bishop of hope

Yurt! wrote: »

I'm not going to defend some of the aggressive posting styles of SF supporters. But you're entirely missing the point. You're content to ignore some of the disdainful and outright insulting codswallop that was coming from the other side.


I'd argue it was worse. It was people having a tantrum about an election result they didn't see coming and weren't able to come to terms with.


I lent SF a vote as in all honesty, they were streets ahead on thinking about housing policy and a basic interrogation of FG's taxation proposals were actually highly irresponsible (despite the marketing bluff of 'fiscal responsibility'). I and a lot of people don't want a cabinet and a government that can't admit painfully obvious failings, and I don't think giving succor to a political movement that throws their toys out of the pram when the failings are pointed out to them is healthy.


As a movement this is actually what FG is. They can't deal with it when the 'clever boys' narrative is exposed for what it is: bluff.

It's all bluff and dependent on circumstances at any given time.
The fairest policies of any government can bankrupt a country while the harshest can save it.

Yurt2

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's all bluff and dependent on circumstances at any given time.
The fairest policies of any government can bankrupt a country while the harshest can save it.

This is politics, all politicians engage in it to a greater or lesser extent. It's an ugly business.


However, one political party in this country have a deeply ingrained pricklyness about not being viewed as the smartest guys in the room, even when the failures were stacking up and becoming increasingly obvious.