FF/FG/Green Next Government

maestroamado · 15-06-2020 3:23pm

ednwireland wrote: »

suppose it was the only 3 parties that would get mange to get toogether form the numbers that the electorate threw at them.

seeing as the"left alliance" never really took off in terms of negotiation (and probably didnt have the numbers in reality)

lets hop they do something but i suspect its more of the same

We continually whinge but in reality we really like things as they have being for the last 50 years...

AdamD · 15-06-2020 3:39pm

Mules wrote: »

Normally I agree about personal responsibility but a lot of people haven't a clue about finance. That's why they have to be protected from dodgy lending practices. Sure the banks still don't pay tax on their earnings. They were exempted from it after the bailout. It's ridiculous. Banks need to be broken up and separated into deposit banks and investment banks. People can take whatever investment risks they want once it doesn't involve customer's savings.

So in the same post you're giving out about people not having a clue about finance, but also claiming the banks are exempt from tax on their earnings?

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Eric Cartman · 15-06-2020 3:40pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

And they may well be bought off with the promise of Seanad nominations. If this deal fails, Ryan is dead meat.

they almost certainly will. That academic talking shop for life is their real aim. Its the only place they can continue to get paid to hold views at odds with moderate society and not fear ousting.

Cal4567 · 15-06-2020 3:44pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

According to the Irish Times a new "not-for-profit" model that will place the dignity of the individual at its centre.

Which could mean anything really, including business as usual with the owners of clapped out hotels simply registering as non-profits to stay on the gravy train.

I can see groups such as Focus Ireland or Dublin Simon managing housing for these groups, existing entities. It is not too dissimilar to what they are doing at present. It must mean one off independent housing, rather than hostel type accommodation.

Cal4567 · 15-06-2020 3:47pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Seriously you need to read what happened in the crash......

Actually, the unregulated mess the two parties lorded over did make it a lot worse for us, compared to many other countries.

Edgware · 15-06-2020 4:26pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the worst part is, one of the best hopes for putting this shambles to bed is the extremists like saoirse mchugh and hazel chu's followers voting against it.

Saoirse McHugh
European Election. Lost
Dail election. Lost
Seanad election. Lost.
Looks like a loser to me. If Ryan puts her in to the Seanad he will be a bigger gob****e than I think he is

owlbethere · 15-06-2020 4:27pm

Eamon Ryan will have us licking our underwear clean to save on water and energy on washing them properly.

phobia2011 · 15-06-2020 4:28pm

When do the measures in their draft get applied? Immediately ? Or does each need passing in dail

Shefwedfan · 15-06-2020 4:30pm

owlbethere wrote: »

Eamon Ryan will have us licking our underwear clean to save on water and energy on washing them properly.

Says it all.....

The_Conductor · 15-06-2020 4:32pm

Am I reading this right- carbon levy to be introduced on electricity- alongside the PSO- going forwards, initially at EUR46 per tonne of carbon, estimated to add roughly EUR230-240 per annum to domestic electricity bills?

Shefwedfan · 15-06-2020 4:42pm

Says we are going to connect to French grid.

Poor_old_gill · 15-06-2020 4:46pm

Edgware wrote: »

Saoirse McHugh
European Election. Lost
Dail election. Lost
Seanad election. Lost.
Looks like a loser to me. If Ryan puts her in to the Seanad he will be a bigger gob****e than I think he is

Saoirse McHugh is a hilariously crap politician. She’s a delusional fantasist who just throws out loon ball ideas in the hope that she will be seen as radical.

All she does is stop a credible Green Party from emerging

The_Conductor · 15-06-2020 4:49pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Says we are going to connect to French grid.

Thats been on the cards for the last 20 years- I think we made a formal proposal to the EU Commission for joint funding for the interconnect back last Sept/Oct. Its one way to introduce nuclear power to Ireland..........

StackSteevens · 15-06-2020 5:15pm

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

blanch152 · 15-06-2020 5:30pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

And they may well be bought off with the promise of Seanad nominations. If this deal fails, Ryan is dead meat.

Both Ryan and Martin are tied to this deal. If it goes down, who then for Green leader? I expect both of them to say they support the deal and let the best (wo)man win the leadership election.

That is where the focus of the members will be.

JimmyVik · 15-06-2020 5:32pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

She doesnt understand much at the best of times. What does she expect?

StackSteevens · 15-06-2020 5:35pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

She doesnt understand much at the best of times. What does she expect?

She's probably waiting for the idiot's guide that the Greens will have to draw up and circulate to their members before the big vote.

Edgware · 15-06-2020 5:36pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

Shouldn't she be preparing her address for the annual Sean Russell Commemoration while the statue is still standing. Of course what really hits her is that she could be five years roaring across the Dail and nobody paying a bit of heed to her

CosmicFool · 15-06-2020 5:43pm

Michael Martin as taoiseach so. If he was a spice he'd be flour.

phobia2011 · 15-06-2020 5:49pm

Anyone any idea how it works? Their draft document with its changes, if they are agreed do all the measures get implemented overnight or does each item still need to be passed in the dail?

Podge_irl · 15-06-2020 5:52pm

phobia2011 wrote: »

Anyone any idea how it works? Their draft document with its changes, if they are agreed do all the measures get implemented overnight or does each item still need to be passed in the dail?

Yes, legislation still needs to be passed in the Dáil. It has about as much legal standing as a party manifesto.

landofthetree · 15-06-2020 6:08pm

Deal also provides that the 11 Taoiseach's nominees will go 4 to Fianna Fáil, 4 to Fine Gael, 2 to the Greens, and one independent agreed by the three party leaders. At least half of the party nominees will be women.

Party leaders will agree to the reform of the Departments of Government before the appointments are made - as expected, FG and FF get six cabinet seats each, with three for the Greens.

Source:
https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The_Conductor · 15-06-2020 6:17pm

3 for the Greens is a bit disproportionate. Any idea who gets which portfolios?

15-06-2020 6:19pm

thing about green agenda is that it's no-lose for the two big parties

popular- well thank you
unpopular- greens made us
either way- well most of it was inevitable

Eric Cartman · 15-06-2020 6:19pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

The agreement involves abolishing direct provision but doesn't say what will replace it, providing houses and apartment to anyone claiming asylum?

see its such a long winded topic.

what should happen : close it and build an asylum centre on the grounds of the airport, 45 day process with an appeal of up to another 45 days, home or stay after that with home being the default if documents are delayed or theres any doubts.

what Ryan and co want to happen : release people into the community and hope they turn up to a meeting they'll never turn up to .

what will happen : another quango will be set up to do a report and design a new system, that quango will go on till after MM is no longer Taoiseach, its report will then come out proposing a solution thats acceptable to all 3 parties, except it'll cost billions more than were willing to spend , FF will be blamed for the report costing hundreds of millions but MM is done by then , FG will then have it moved to a constituency they never stood a chance of winning and the whole project will be watered down citing public backlash on the cost and we'll end up with basically direct provision, called something friendlier , condensed into one soft prison and the contract to manage it handed to Dennis o'b's actavo.

I'm actually going to save a Link to this post so I can come back to it in 5 years at the first foundation pouring of the 'meath east asylum care centre'

Mr. Karate · 15-06-2020 6:46pm

With Fail the Gaels continuing their ruinous policies and now the Greens taxing us to death Ireland is going to go the way of Venezuela where the people who can afford to leave are going to leave.

StackSteevens · 15-06-2020 6:52pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

With Fail the Gaels continuing their ruinous policies and now the Greens taxing us to death Ireland is going to go the way of Venezuela where the people who can afford to leave are going to leave.

Not to worry, with the Direct provision centres all being closed down, they'll soon all be replaced by bona fide Asylum Seekers!

James Brown · 15-06-2020 7:15pm

By all accounts their plan is more of the same with lot's of nice vague areas for filling in on the go.
I would wish them well but their success is not tied to the tax payer's. I expect much the same of the last FF/FG government but with a few green yolks that will upset the farmers. Be nice to watch the junk yard dogs nipping at each other for the top jobs.
I hope nobody dies and we avoid a crash.

Shefwedfan · 15-06-2020 7:19pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

Did she read the SF manifesto? Vague is the best description you could say on it, back of a fag box better description

Of course Mary Lou will be great in opposition, she is fully qualified hurler from the ditch. Time for everyone to invest in noise cancelling ear phones

I do think they should put in a 1 euro fine for everytime someone says the word “change”. Will generate a lot for charity :-)

Shefwedfan · 15-06-2020 7:19pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

With Fail the Gaels continuing their ruinous policies and now the Greens taxing us to death Ireland is going to go the way of Venezuela where the people who can afford to leave are going to leave.

Just checking if you can afford to leave?

McMurphy · 15-06-2020 7:29pm

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

StackSteevens · 15-06-2020 7:38pm

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

Be interesting to hear Gene's thoughts on how he felt about working for the likes of Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly for the past 20 years or more.

I suspect that he settled for trousering the fat paycheque and aiming his impotent popgun at more distant targets.

Shefwedfan · 15-06-2020 7:42pm

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

What would the question be if SF went into power?

Why did you hide a child abuser?
Why didn't you resign from the party when you found out about it?
Do you suppose hiding child abuser?
Why did you lie on national tv about the murder of Paul Quinn?
Where are all the bodies that IRA have hid with the support of SF? will you ever tell the families where they are?
Why do you support one of your politicians abusing people via facebook?

Do we want to continue the list ??? :P:P:P:P:P

15-06-2020 7:46pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Be interesting to hear Gene's thoughts on how he felt about working for the likes of Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly for the past 20 years or more.

I suspect that he settled for trousering the fat paycheque and aiming his impotent popgun at more distant targets.

Now Now..... I often thought the same but he knows what side his bread is buttered.

JohnnyFlash · 15-06-2020 7:51pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Be interesting to hear Gene's thoughts on how he felt about working for the likes of Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly for the past 20 years or more.

I suspect that he settled for trousering the fat paycheque and aiming his impotent popgun at more distant targets.

They could use machine learning software to automate the writing of Kerrigan’s articles. 30 years of moaning, complaining and blathering on about the establishment. There’s nothing more bitter than an old socialist.

Edgware · 15-06-2020 7:51pm

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

Kerrigan still happy to take the Indo shilling.

CrankyHaus · 15-06-2020 7:53pm

Cal4567 wrote: »

I can see groups such as Focus Ireland or Dublin Simon managing housing for these groups, existing entities. It is not too dissimilar to what they are doing at present. It must mean one off independent housing, rather than hostel type accommodation.

Or Housing Trusts being paid to manage properties built on the tax payers dime that the Housing Trust takes ownership of after 30 years. Fun times.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-06-2020 8:18pm

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

Itssoeasy · 15-06-2020 8:21pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

And this deal isn't guaranteed by a long way yet. As has been said in the politics forum, ogra FF have come out against it, some FF councillors have come out against it, and the FF system is every eligible member gets a vote and it's majority decision. Deputy Martin will have some sales pitch to do.

Eric Cartman · 15-06-2020 8:23pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

Im actually considering voting for the national party next time round.

at the moment are : vote for a party that promises me some of what I want and delivers the exact opposite and goes into coalition with the exact people I don't want.

Or pick a party that promises a load of awful things I don't want but if they can only deliver in moderation it will be things I do want.

jam_mac_jam · 15-06-2020 8:34pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im actually considering voting for the national party next time round.

at the moment are : vote for a party that promises me some of what I want and delivers the exact opposite and goes into coalition with the exact people I don't want.

Or pick a party that promises a load of awful things I don't want but if they can only deliver in moderation it will be things I do want.

You actually have no idea of what you are voting for or what any of them will agree to.

James Brown · 15-06-2020 8:38pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

Only yourself to blame. Read your comment. 'It's a shambles' seemingly. 'The alternative is even worse'. The fact that FF/FG rely on that to get elected is saddening. 'if that's possible'. It's not. Cronyism, corruption, the tax payer getting rode and the strong possibility of more tribunals and a crash. Have fun.

hatrickpatrick · 15-06-2020 8:42pm

This is just unbelievably depressing. Sincerely hoping the party grassroots don't allow this coalition to be implemented. I honestly would have assumed the Greens would have more sense after what happened last time, but such is politics.

A lot of people close to me will be miserable for the next five years if housing policy isn't flipped on its head, any deal which allows FFG to prolong the neoliberal trainwreck is a disaster for the millennial generation. Given how heavily the Greens in particular rely on that generation for support, I'm not giving up just yet on this deal being scuppered.

Shefwedfan · 15-06-2020 8:43pm

Doing the rouunds again: https://www.facebook.com/odran.obrien/videos/3452753968164836/

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-06-2020 8:46pm

FG should chance going back to the people according to those poll results

For Forks Sake · 15-06-2020 8:53pm

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272624471992664068

If you're FG, you start praying to your deity of choice that the FF or Greens grassroots reject the PFG, thus achieving a new election without having seen to have been the cause of it. They can just so "we tried, not our fault them over there caused it to fail"

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272623592166100993

The #notmytaoiseach brigade will be spitting feathers this evening

Jinglejangle69 · 15-06-2020 9:04pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272624471992664068

If you're FG, you start praying to your deity of choice that the FF or Greens grassroots reject the PFG, thus achieving a new election without having seen to have been the cause of it. They can just so "we tried, not our fault them over there caused it to fail"

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272623592166100993

The #notmytaoiseach brigade will be spitting feathers this evening

Wow.

What are FG thinking with this new programme for government.

15-06-2020 9:06pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

FG should chance going back to the people according to those poll results

And they know it.

Poor FF, stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-06-2020 9:08pm

Varadkar has done a decent job imo. And it's no surprise he is preferred over Martin.

People still have dark memories of Brian Cowen I reckon.

jam_mac_jam · 15-06-2020 9:10pm

Only problem with another election is that it could backfire for FG if SF run more candidates and win more seats. Their support seems higher then I would have thought in latest poles. So likely they have a lot of people who will vote for them again.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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