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StackSteevens

hotmail.com wrote: »

The Green new senator from Mayo says she opposes the deal.

No such person exists.

Perhaps you mean the big mouthed failure who has lost three elections in the past ten months?

Yurt2

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Or on the dole :p:p

You've spent the last few months slandering a full quarter of the electorate as skangers and 'dole heads', standing over sexist rhetoric about MLMC and you get bent out of shape about a slightly unflattering nickname used across the political spectrum like MeHole?

Hard to take seriously.

jmayo

ELM327 wrote: »

She's a senator? Therefore irrelevant.

But will she be a senator in future?
She only got in because yer wan in Waterford left to be MEP.

Then again almost all the senators are just parachuted in anyway.

Also Pippa. ???
WTF was she named after a Home & Away character or what.
Then again she is the horsey type so explains a bit.

Anyway she is now in Offaly not Mayo.
And the Greens are not as far removed from the usual political shyte of the other parties as they would have you believe.
She was county councillor in Offaly and when she became a senator her hubby took her seat.
How novel.

_Kaiser_

Listening to Jim O'Callaghan on R1, the "deal" seems to basically be completely aspirational and wholly dependent that the economy recovers next year which is far from certain

In other words it's a wish list, nothing more.

ELM327

hotmail.com wrote: »

Leo absolutely dying for the Greens to vote against it. It looks like FG could win 70 seats if there was an election in 5 weeks.

Leo and FG have gained a lot of popularity from their handling of covid.
I don't think they'd get 70 seats but they would improve to mid 50's at least.
If there were an election now I think FG would gain, SF would stagnate or gain slightly, FF would fall and greens would fall hard.

hotmail.com

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Listening to Jim O'Callaghan on R1, the "deal" seems to basically be completely aspirational and wholly dependent that the economy recovers next year which is far from certain

In other words it's a wish list, nothing more.

This is the reason I think there should be an election in September given the new circumstances.

jmayo

StackSteevens wrote: »

No such person exists.

Perhaps you mean the big mouthed failure who has lost three elections in the past ten months?

No that's yer wan Saoirse McHugh from Achill.

The one that went around telling the electorate she didn't agree with all eamon's policies.

Well it was either that or tell people that she thought eamon's idea of introducing wolves to Nephin area was actually a good idea. :rolleyes:

So be fair to her on that.

ELM327

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Listening to Jim O'Callaghan on R1, the "deal" seems to basically be completely aspirational and wholly dependent that the economy recovers next year which is far from certain

In other words it's a wish list, nothing more.

Good. We can't afford half the notional crap the greens want.

dundalkfc10

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Listening to Jim O'Callaghan on R1, the "deal" seems to basically be completely aspirational and wholly dependent that the economy recovers next year which is far from certain

In other words it's a wish list, nothing more.

Imagine SF came up with this "deal"

The FG and FF base would rip it apart

StackSteevens

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I look down on FG supporters as they sit by and watch the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, going back on what they were elected for.

To me thats the definistion of a scumbag or skanger.

Keep on looking son - it's lovely in the pool today!

Alternatively, why not pull up your socks and get an educational qualification or two and then maybe some day you'll be able to join us in the pool?

I appreciate that it's far easier to sit on the sidelines and moan - and I acknowledge that Parties like Sinn Fein need underachieving moaners like you to keep them in votes but Third Level is free these days (not like it was in my day when my poor parents had to scrimp and save to put my siblings and me through college) so you could break free from the SF dependency yoke, if you tried hard enough. And Dundalk IT has a handful of decent courses that you could sign up for.

TCDStudent1

ELM327 wrote: »

Leo and FG have gained a lot of popularity from their handling of covid.
I don't think they'd get 70 seats but they would improve to mid 50's at least.
If there were an election now I think FG would gain, SF would stagnate or gain slightly, FF would fall and greens would fall hard.

Why do you think this would happen? Have they really damaged themselves a lot since the last election?

Charles Babbage

hotmail.com wrote: »

Leo absolutely dying for the Greens to vote against it. It looks like FG could win 70 seats if there was an election in 5 weeks.

Exactly. If there is an election because the greens are acting the maggot then FG will benefit greatly and FF won't do too bad if they are seen to have been trying.

The problem is that you can vote for the Greens, SDs, SF etc as a protest but these are not serious about governing the state.

RandomViewer

jmayo wrote: »

You mean P Doherty "the engineer"



Ah FFS
Delusion.



Actually how come we haven't had thousands dying on the streets when they haven't been able to go to A&E.

This lockdown has proven one thing that too many people go to A&E unnecessarily.
And a lot of that is down to GPs as well.

The diagnostics and cancer treatments, etc should all be back up and running if they are not.
I do know some people who were getting continous cancer treatment, but they were either in private or non acute specialist hospitals.




Can't stand FF or martin.
Can't stand shinners as two face murdering bast***s still in charge.
Can't stand eejits in Greens with heads up their organic ar**s.
Can't stand Labour since the likes of Spring and Quinn left.
Now can't stand FG with that virtue signalling media loving cretin in charge.
And don't mention all those cretins in loony land PBP, etc.

Who the fook is left. :mad:

DANNY HEALY RAE ?

ELM327

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Why do you think this would happen? Have they really damaged themselves a lot since the last election?

The airtime given to Eamon Ryan and a lot of his utterances (let them grow flowers) will have damaged the support from non core green party voters.
Not to mention that they will have caused a viable government to fall.

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Imagine SF came up with this "deal"

The FG and FF base would rip it apart

Be specific and tell us which parts of it you have problems with.

I have seen a lot of uninformed ranting about this deal from clueless Shinnerbots on Twitter who just seem to be going off on one without any particular issue. Maybe a Sinn Fein supporter on here can offer some insight into what particular problems they have with the deal.

jmayo

ELM327 wrote: »

Leo and FG have gained a lot of popularity from their handling of covid.
I don't think they'd get 70 seats but they would improve to mid 50's at least.
If there were an election now I think FG would gain, SF would stagnate or gain slightly, FF would fall and greens would fall hard.

FG can only do that if they manage to get leo the gobshyte to keep quite rather than going round claiming that the Irish public service needs to be mulitcultured.

blanch152

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Exactly. If there is an election because the greens are acting the maggot then FG will benefit greatly and FF won't do too bad if they are seen to have been trying.

The problem is that you can vote for the Greens, SDs, SF etc as a protest but these are not serious about governing the state.

If this is voted down by the Green membership, the election will see FF and FG gain enough seats to form a government without them.

jmayo

RandomViewer wrote: »

DANNY HEALY RAE ?

Here why don't you just shoot me now and get over with

The_Conductor

blanch152 wrote: »

Be specific and tell us which parts of it you have problems with.

Complete and utter fantasy economics- how are to pay for all the largess outlined in the plan. I accept that the guarantee not to increase income tax/USC/PRSI is only for the first two years of the programme for government (aka the pain is going to kick in from year 3 onwards) - but the manner in which they plan to plaster money around the place- just seems so completely and utterly irresponsible?

ELM327

jmayo wrote: »

FG can only do that if they manage to get leo the gobshyte to keep quite rather than going round claiming that the Irish public service needs to be mulitcultured.

I mean, they made the gaffe last time about the RUC commemoration and that's already forgotten. Leo can make a few mistakes because the alternatives (Mehole, Mary Lou, Eamon Ryan) are so abhorrent to most people that leo is the only option unless he buys an AK and starts shooting up the place.

blanch152 wrote: »

If this is voted down by the Green membership, the election will see FF and FG gain enough seats to form a government without them.

agreed

ELM327

The_Conductor wrote: »

Complete and utter fantasy economics- how are to pay for all the largess outlined in the plan. I accept that the guarantee not to increase income tax/USC/PRSI is only for the first two years of the programme for government (aka the pain is going to kick in from year 3 onwards) - but the manner in which they plan to plaster money around the place- just seems so completely and utterly irresponsible?

It's just to get the greens on board. Once the economy doesnt return to pre covid levels they will have a reason not to implement any of it.

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

Be specific and tell us which parts of it you have problems with.

I have seen a lot of uninformed ranting about this deal from clueless Shinnerbots on Twitter who just seem to be going off on one without any particular issue. Maybe a Sinn Fein supporter on here can offer some insight into what particular problems they have with the deal.

The part where they dont exactly say or have any idea in the "deal" where all the money is coming from.

The biggest flaw in my eyes, FG promised 10,000 more houses in their pre election plan be built than is in this deal.

3% tax break for people earning over €100,000 (Suppose look after your own and all)

CrankyHaus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Listening to Jim O'Callaghan on R1, the "deal" seems to basically be completely aspirational and wholly dependent that the economy recovers next year which is far from certain

In other words it's a wish list, nothing more.

Bertie Ahern (of all people) said the same on Radio 1 yesterday evening.
I think most people know it's pie in the sky unless we bounce out of the Corona slump; but I approve of them being open about it.

StupidLikeAFox

ELM327 wrote: »

Leo and FG have gained a lot of popularity from their handling of covid.
I don't think they'd get 70 seats but they would improve to mid 50's at least.
If there were an election now I think FG would gain, SF would stagnate or gain slightly, FF would fall and greens would fall hard.

Greens probably the same.
FG up due to Covid handling
Independents down - I think people would abandon the indos and return to main parties to avoid a similar kind of a stalemate
FF down
Soc Dems might lose a few due to not engaging in Govt talks
Maybe Labour would increase if they were able to position themselves reinvented with a new leader (not sure how easy that would be with AK)
Sinn Fein - who knows?

gormdubhgorm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Why do you think this would happen? Have they really damaged themselves a lot since the last election?

Smaller parties always get eaten alive by sacrificing principles to get into government. Happened the Greens, PD's, and Labour before.
It is a strange dynamic as that is the best smaller parties can do, but it also ends up putting them back to square one.

Is there a proper political name to the phenomenon?

Beechwoodspark

Saoirse says NOOOOOOOOO

ELM327

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Greens probably the same.
FG up due to Covid handling
Independents down - I think people would abandon the indos and return to main parties to avoid a similar kind of a stalemate
FF down
Soc Dems might lose a few due to not engaging in Govt talks
Maybe Labour would increase if they were able to position themselves reinvented with a new leader (not sure how easy that would be with AK)
Sinn Fein - who knows?

Greens the same? If they are identified as pulling down a government?


Unlikely. Agree with the rest.

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The part where they dont exactly say or have any idea in the "deal" where all the money is coming from.

The biggest flaw in my eyes, FG promised 10,000 more houses in their pre election plan be built than is in this deal.

3% tax break for people earning over €100,000 (Suppose look after your own and all)

Where is that in the deal?

StackSteevens

smurgen wrote: »

Imagine what you must think of Eoghan Murphy (8th count) or Simon Harris (15th count lol) two of the worst most incompetent lumps in memory. Their only ability is being too thick to quit.

I assume that you have the same degree of contempt for the four Sinn Fein candidates who slithered their way into the Seanad without reaching the quota?

I refer to:

Failed MP McCallion from Derry;
failed MEP Boylan from Dublin;
Wolfe Tones lover Warfield from Dublin and someone called Paul Gavan from Limerick of whom the world knows very little.

antimatterx

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The part where they dont exactly say or have any idea in the "deal" where all the money is coming from.

The biggest flaw in my eyes, FG promised 10,000 more houses in their pre election plan be built than is in this deal.

3% tax break for people earning over €100,000 (Suppose look after your own and all)

Is that not fair? People who make 6 figures pay a disgusting amount of tax.