FF/FG/Green Next Government

McMurphy

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

StackSteevens

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

Be interesting to hear Gene's thoughts on how he felt about working for the likes of Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly for the past 20 years or more.

I suspect that he settled for trousering the fat paycheque and aiming his impotent popgun at more distant targets.

Shefwedfan

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

What would the question be if SF went into power?


Why did you hide a child abuser?
Why didn't you resign from the party when you found out about it?
Do you suppose hiding child abuser?
Why did you lie on national tv about the murder of Paul Quinn?
Where are all the bodies that IRA have hid with the support of SF? will you ever tell the families where they are?
Why do you support one of your politicians abusing people via facebook?


Do we want to continue the list ??? :P:P:P:P:P

Topgear on Dave

StackSteevens wrote: »

Be interesting to hear Gene's thoughts on how he felt about working for the likes of Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly for the past 20 years or more.

I suspect that he settled for trousering the fat paycheque and aiming his impotent popgun at more distant targets.

Now Now..... I often thought the same but he knows what side his bread is buttered.

JohnnyFlash

StackSteevens wrote: »

Be interesting to hear Gene's thoughts on how he felt about working for the likes of Denis O'Brien and Tony O'Reilly for the past 20 years or more.

I suspect that he settled for trousering the fat paycheque and aiming his impotent popgun at more distant targets.

They could use machine learning software to automate the writing of Kerrigan’s articles. 30 years of moaning, complaining and blathering on about the establishment. There’s nothing more bitter than an old socialist.

Edgware

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1272495166490923014?s=19

Kerrigan still happy to take the Indo shilling.

CrankyHaus

Cal4567 wrote: »

I can see groups such as Focus Ireland or Dublin Simon managing housing for these groups, existing entities. It is not too dissimilar to what they are doing at present. It must mean one off independent housing, rather than hostel type accommodation.

Or Housing Trusts being paid to manage properties built on the tax payers dime that the Housing Trust takes ownership of after 30 years. Fun times.

SEPT 23 1989

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

Itssoeasy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

And this deal isn't guaranteed by a long way yet. As has been said in the politics forum, ogra FF have come out against it, some FF councillors have come out against it, and the FF system is every eligible member gets a vote and it's majority decision. Deputy Martin will have some sales pitch to do.

Eric Cartman

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

Im actually considering voting for the national party next time round.

at the moment are : vote for a party that promises me some of what I want and delivers the exact opposite and goes into coalition with the exact people I don't want.

Or pick a party that promises a load of awful things I don't want but if they can only deliver in moderation it will be things I do want.

jam_mac_jam

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im actually considering voting for the national party next time round.

at the moment are : vote for a party that promises me some of what I want and delivers the exact opposite and goes into coalition with the exact people I don't want.

Or pick a party that promises a load of awful things I don't want but if they can only deliver in moderation it will be things I do want.

You actually have no idea of what you are voting for or what any of them will agree to.

James Brown

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This is a total shambles but the alternative is even worse if that's possible

Only yourself to blame. Read your comment. 'It's a shambles' seemingly. 'The alternative is even worse'. The fact that FF/FG rely on that to get elected is saddening. 'if that's possible'. It's not. Cronyism, corruption, the tax payer getting rode and the strong possibility of more tribunals and a crash. Have fun.

hatrickpatrick

This is just unbelievably depressing. Sincerely hoping the party grassroots don't allow this coalition to be implemented. I honestly would have assumed the Greens would have more sense after what happened last time, but such is politics.

A lot of people close to me will be miserable for the next five years if housing policy isn't flipped on its head, any deal which allows FFG to prolong the neoliberal trainwreck is a disaster for the millennial generation. Given how heavily the Greens in particular rely on that generation for support, I'm not giving up just yet on this deal being scuppered.

Shefwedfan

Doing the rouunds again: https://www.facebook.com/odran.obrien/videos/3452753968164836/

SEPT 23 1989

FG should chance going back to the people according to those poll results

For Forks Sake

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272624471992664068

If you're FG, you start praying to your deity of choice that the FF or Greens grassroots reject the PFG, thus achieving a new election without having seen to have been the cause of it. They can just so "we tried, not our fault them over there caused it to fail"

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272623592166100993

The #notmytaoiseach brigade will be spitting feathers this evening

Jinglejangle69

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272624471992664068

If you're FG, you start praying to your deity of choice that the FF or Greens grassroots reject the PFG, thus achieving a new election without having seen to have been the cause of it. They can just so "we tried, not our fault them over there caused it to fail"

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272623592166100993

The #notmytaoiseach brigade will be spitting feathers this evening

Wow.

What are FG thinking with this new programme for government.

Topgear on Dave

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

FG should chance going back to the people according to those poll results

And they know it.

Poor FF, stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Kermit.de.frog

Varadkar has done a decent job imo. And it's no surprise he is preferred over Martin.

People still have dark memories of Brian Cowen I reckon.

jam_mac_jam

Only problem with another election is that it could backfire for FG if SF run more candidates and win more seats. Their support seems higher then I would have thought in latest poles. So likely they have a lot of people who will vote for them again.

FrancieBrady

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Varadkar has done a decent job imo. And it's no surprise he is preferred over Martin.

People still have dark memories of Brian Cowen I reckon.

The fall for FG when it comes will be all the more spectacular.

Topgear on Dave

https://twitter.com/fiachkelly/status/1272633522617044992

Abstentions already.

Some of these green TDs may long for a cosy back bench seat without responsibility for a few years.

Somebody better tell them "Yiz are in too deep to stop now lads"

For Forks Sake

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Only problem with another election is that it could backfire if SF run more candidates and win more seats. Their support seems higher then I would have thought in latest poles. So likely they have a lot of people who will vote for them again.

Their vote management history when they've run mutliple candidates is not good. They managed to lose a seat in Donegal of all places in 2016 splitting the vote all wrong. They should consult with the Healy-Raes on how to carve up a constituency efficiently

Loafing Oaf

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Only problem with another election is that it could backfire for FG if SF run more candidates and win more seats. Their support seems higher then I would have thought in latest poles. So likely they have a lot of people who will vote for them again.

And if polling during the campaign indicated SF would be leading the next government, FG would be absolutely crucified by middle class voters for handing over the country to SF when there was a centrist coalition deal on the table...

jam_mac_jam

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

And if polling during the campaign indicated SF would be leading the next government, FG would be absolutely crucified by middle class voters for handing over the country to SF when there was a centrist coalition deal on the table...

Yeah and then its FF and SF. A complete nightmare.

antimatterx

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272624471992664068

If you're FG, you start praying to your deity of choice that the FF or Greens grassroots reject the PFG, thus achieving a new election without having seen to have been the cause of it. They can just so "we tried, not our fault them over there caused it to fail"

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1272623592166100993

The #notmytaoiseach brigade will be spitting feathers this evening

Trust me, we are!

Shefwedfan

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Their vote management history when they've run mutliple candidates is not good. They managed to lose a seat in Donegal of all places in 2016 splitting the vote all wrong. They should consult with the Healy-Raes on how to carve up a constituency efficiently

Mary Lou has failed in both election. IN the locals she got hammered. In the General she didnt figure out prior to election how many to run. Who really thinks she will do any better?


Also the manifesto they had was awful, if another election it would be put under the microscope and it would quickly fall to pieces.

Eric Cartman

FG should just hope the greens or FF don't let this get over the line, go back to the polls and get in on their own or with the backing of indys or SD. This charade has gone on long enough now.

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mary Lou has failed in both election. IN the locals she got hammered. In the General she didnt figure out prior to election how many to run. Who really thinks she will do any better?


Also the manifesto they had was awful, if another election it would be put under the microscope and it would quickly fall to pieces.

Holding steady at 25% of the vote, yet FF on 14% even going into coaltion.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Holding steady at 25% of the vote, yet FF on 14% even going into coaltion.

Polls count for nothing