Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

scamalert

not reading about covid at all nowadays, this madness reached another level for some people, some say 1m is risk, since day one havent been in some or another store where you wouldn't pass someone inches apart, no one goes hysteric, its time government actually pulled their heads out their a$$es, read article few weeks back 7k medical workers returned and volunteered for covid, only 67 were ever hired, gov pissing cash on ppe and other crap, spending fck knows how much to create app for tracking that no one will use, one thing for sure being in government with some connections one can make 6-7 digits easily from this crap and retire after year with nice pension, regular folk will be told sure we stuck it out now we bend over for increased taxes etc. if its wasn't for a joke how nursing homes and most vulnerable should been main focus we would had completely small numbers :cool:

ixoy

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

According to a report from the Irish Mail one Sunday, the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) is set to give the go-ahead to plans that would see the two-metre rule reduced to 1.5 metres or even one metre by July, provided the infection rate of Covid-19 remains low."

Seems reasonable. Plenty of other countries doing 1.5m and they haven't seen big spikes. The science behind 1m seems solid but the greater savings at 2m aren't as obvious. 1.5m seems like a compromise and could make a huge difference to businesses, especially the hospitality industry.

Micky 32

Goldengirl wrote: »

, contacts will go because people are meeting more people .

That’s not entirely correct, the main reason is that they have been testing more close contacts hence the higher number. The cases are dropping all the time and shows no indication of your theory.

Ginger n Lemon

scamalert wrote: »

not reading about covid at all nowadays, this madness reached another level for some people, some say 1m is risk, since day one havent been in some or another store where you wouldn't pass someone inches apart, no one goes hysteric, its time government actually pulled their heads out their a$$es, read article few weeks back 7k medical workers returned and volunteered for covid, only 67 were ever hired, gov pissing cash on ppe and other crap, spending fck knows how much to create app for tracking that no one will use, one thing for sure being in government with some connections one can make 6-7 digits easily from this crap and retire after year with nice pension, regular folk will be told sure we stuck it out now we bend over for increased taxes etc. if its wasn't for a joke how nursing homes and most vulnerable should been main focus we would had completely small numbers :cool:

That in bold. :rolleyes:

I dont read as much about covid as it isnt reported as much anymore! Even BBC have removed covid from main headlines. Its all about blacklives matter and Russia being invited to G7.

On a more positive note - life is definitely going to return back to normal (not the new normal youve been hearing about) very quickly. People just cant seem to stop living life

"European tourists are reportedly defying travel and border restrictions to visit Italy, with many passing through Switzerland to avoid quarantine.

Austrian holidaymakers looking for a break at an Italian beach are turning up in the north-eastern seaside town of Jesolo, near Venice, Austria's public broadcaster ORF says. Austria annoyed Italians last Thursday by opening its borders to all its neighbours bar Italy.

"A Salzburg guest who has been with me since childhood has decided to travel to Italy with his girlfriend via Switzerland to visit us here in Jesolo," the broadcaster quotes Antonio Vigolo, owner of the Cavalieri Palace hotel, as saying. "On the way home, he wants to travel the same route to avoid the two-week quarantine."

Meanwhile, dozens of German tourists have also travelled to Jesolo, passing through Switzerland, and have wound up at the same hotel, according to Italy's Ansa news agency.

Jesolo, one of the largest holiday resorts in Italy, eased coronavirus restrictions and reopened its beaches on 23 May."

Ginger n Lemon

ixoy wrote: »

Seems reasonable. Plenty of other countries doing 1.5m and they haven't seen big spikes. The science behind 1m seems solid but the greater savings at 2m aren't as obvious. 1.5m seems like a compromise and could make a huge difference to businesses, especially the hospitality industry.

I think 1.5 metres for 29 June reopening should be bare minimum.

1 metre for 20th July if no spike in cases. Everybody happy

Ginger n Lemon

25 new cases today.

Takes 1.3 days to get a result (for tests carried out in last 7 days anyways)

If less than 100 new cases next week that will mark 4th week of new cases in double digits.

All in all at this rate youd really struggle to see any lockdown after 29th of June.

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Oh uh

"IRELAND’S TWO-METRE social distancing requirement is set to be relaxed as part of measures designed to boost the reopening hospitality sector from next month.

According to a report from the Irish Mail one Sunday, the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) is set to give the go-ahead to plans that would see the two-metre rule reduced to 1.5 metres or even one metre by July, provided the infection rate of Covid-19 remains low."

https://www.irishpost.com/news/two-metre-social-distancing-rules-to-be-relaxed-for-pubs-and-hospitality-sector-from-next-month-186398

New cases will be low as a lot of people are asymptomatic anyway and doing your random covid test 98% of which tests negative for will get boring and old very quickly.

I like this thread for many reasons, mostly for the hypothetical idealism displayed by few people here. Not to worry, remember you personally can keep even 3 metres away if you want to be safer. :pac:

It's patently obvious that the 2m rule will have to be eased at some stage. It can't go on forever. Some, like you, want it gone immediately. I'd prefer to follow the 'expert' analysis.

Ginger n Lemon

Penfailed wrote: »

It's patently obvious that the 2m rule will have to be eased at some stage. It can't go on forever. Some, like you, want it gone immediately. I'd prefer to follow the 'expert' analysis.

I am happy for you to follow "expert" analysis as long as there is no Gerry Killeen amongst your experts. :pac:

acequion

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I think 1.5 metres for 29 June reopening should be bare minimum.

1 metre for 20th July if no spike in cases. Everybody happy

Some people will never be happy. As another poster put it earlier in this thread, even if there were zero reported cases for a month there would be calls to give it another month "just in case."

When is enough enough? Europeans are opening up much faster than we are and so far so good. Fair enough to revisit if there's a considerable spike but otherwise get things moving and get life back on track. For all sorts of logical reasons.

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am happy for you to follow "expert" analysis as long as there is no Gerry Killeen amongst your experts. :pac:

I don't even know who he is.

growleaves

Penfailed wrote: »

I don't even know who he is.

A professor in UCC who wants another 2-4 months of lockdown now and perhaps years of rolling lockdowns in the future. He's worked on stemming Zika and Malaria outbreaks in Africa.

prunudo

So now that the worst appears to be over, what would the betting be that any vaccine that may materialise for this will become like the winter flu vaccines and just given to those in at risk categories.

Penfailed

growleaves wrote: »

A professor in UCC who wants another 2-4 months of lockdown now and perhaps years of rolling lockdowns in the future. He's worked on stemming Zika and Malaria outbreaks in Africa.

Seems a bit OTT.

hmmm

crossman47 wrote: »

No. If a group of people drove while drunk and got away with it (it happens), does that give everyone else the right to do the same? The 2 metre rule is the best proven method of stopping transmission especially since, this being Ireland, people then say "Ah sure, one metre is fine"

Yes. It's not about 1 metre or 2 metres or 50 feet or a furlong, it's about public health and the government doing their best to find a balance and asking the country to follow their advice. If we all just go off doing our own thing we have no control over this virus into the future.

Goldengirl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Oh uh

"IRELAND’S TWO-METRE social distancing requirement is set to be relaxed as part of measures designed to boost the reopening hospitality sector from next month.

According to a report from the Irish Mail one Sunday, the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) is set to give the go-ahead to plans that would see the two-metre rule reduced to 1.5 metres or even one metre by July, provided the infection rate of Covid-19 remains low."

https://www.irishpost.com/news/two-metre-social-distancing-rules-to-be-relaxed-for-pubs-and-hospitality-sector-from-next-month-186398

New cases will be low as a lot of people are asymptomatic anyway and doing your random covid test 98% of which tests negative for will get boring and old very quickly.

I like this thread for many reasons, mostly for the hypothetical idealism displayed by few people here. Not to worry, remember you personally can keep even 3 metres away if you want to be safer. :pac:

Ahh , like the hypothetical anarchy here too , lol

hmmm

prunudo wrote: »

So now that the worst appears to be over, what would the betting be that any vaccine that may materialise for this will become like the winter flu vaccines and just given to those in at risk categories.

There's this idea that only "at risk" people are going to see bad outcomes. That's not true - everyone should get this vaccine.

There's plenty of people who were not in an "at risk" group who have bad outcomes, and bad experiences, after contracting this virus. "At risk" groups are people who are signficantly at more risk of dying, but this isn't a cold or a flu, and people at any age should try and reduce their chances of getting this virus.

The other issue is that quite often vaccines don't work so well with elderly - and might not be able to be taken at all by other groups. So they are relying on us getting herd immunity, and they will need the healthy people to get vaccinated to give them that buffer.

Goldengirl

Micky 32 wrote: »

That’s not entirely correct, the main reason is that they have been testing more close contacts hence the higher number. The cases are dropping all the time and shows no indication of your theory.

Edited that to 'grow'which is what I intended to write , so it changes the sense of my post entirely ..apologies.🙄
...meeting more people now = more contacts .

Ginger n Lemon

hmmm wrote: »

There's this idea that only "at risk" people are going to see bad outcomes. That's not true - everyone should get this vaccine.

There's plenty of people who were not in an "at risk" group who have bad outcomes, and bad experiences, after contracting this virus. "At risk" groups are people who are signficantly at more risk of dying, but this isn't a cold or a flu, and people at any age should try and reduce their chances of getting this virus.

The other issue is that quite often vaccines don't work so well with elderly - and might not be able to be taken at all by other groups. So they are relying on us getting herd immunity, and they will need the healthy people to get vaccinated to give them that buffer.

Your post is fascinating given that 55% + of HSE staff do not get flu vaccine.

Also, what do you think about permanent social distancing for the elderly? To give them that extra buffer to avoid even potential risks of covid in case vaccine is ineffective? :rolleyes:

Speakerboxx

andrew1977 wrote: »

Was out for my Sunday morning walk in a small village, lads going in under the shutters for a haircut in a small barbers , 3 or 4 lads waiting outside all up next for a chop.

Fair play to them.

Ginger n Lemon

Goldengirl wrote: »

Ahh , like the hypothetical anarchy here too , lol

Have you seen 3000 + protesting yesterday in Dublin and last week? That isnt hypothetical, but for highly deadly infectious disease covid it is definitely anarchy.

MickeyLeari

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Fair play to them.

I hope they don't infect their parents and grandparents.

I was in Clondalkin today and decided to get carvery. The whole car park was full of people drinking take away pints and queueing to get to the bar. Good to see the pubs getting some business again.

PTH2009

Any PDFs of the new roadmap ??

growleaves

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

I was in Clondalkin today and decided to get carvery. The whole car park was full of people drinking take away pints and queueing to get to the bar. Good to see the pubs getting some business again.

I wont ask the stupid "masks" question, but any social distancing observed? Given that pints are involved.

Good day out - no surprises.

Speakerboxx

crossman47 wrote: »

No. If a group of people drove while drunk and got away with it (it happens), does that give everyone else the right to do the same? The 2 metre rule is the best proven method of stopping transmission especially since, this being Ireland, people then say "Ah sure, one metre is fine"

Tell that to all the protestors that were out in Dublin recently.

hmmm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Your post is fascinating given that 55% + of HSE staff do not get flu vaccine.

Also, what do you think about permanent social distancing for the elderly? To give them that extra buffer to avoid even potential risks of covid in case vaccine is ineffective? :rolleyes:

I know you're an anti-vaxxer & just trying to spread fear. If anything, you will be the one who will put elderly people most at risk as we won't reach herd immunity without widespread vaccine uptake.

I'll be one of the first in line for a vaccine even though I'm not in a high-risk category, will do my bit for the community and will get back to living my life as normal afterwards.

ceadaoin.

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I hope they don't infect their parents and grandparents.

Probably unlikely given how low the cases are now. I'm sure you've passed along various viruses in your lifetime, we all have. Some of those people may have even died because of it and you'd never know because it was a stranger in public that was infected. We generally don't guilt trip people for passing on the flu or colds or vomiting bugs which can lead to bad outcomes, particularly in elderly people. Its a virus ffs, unless the person knows they have it and deliberately sets out to infect people then the smug, judgy comments are uncalled for IMO.

Ginger n Lemon

hmmm wrote: »

I know you're an anti-vaxxer & just trying to spread fear. If anything, you will be the one who will put elderly people most at risk as we won't reach herd immunity without widespread vaccine uptake.

I'll be one of the first in line for a vaccine even though I'm not in a high-risk category, will do my bit for the community and will get back to living my life as normal afterwards.

:pac::pac::pac:

So you dont have thoughts about 55%+ of HSE staff not taking up flu vaccine?

Disappointing but expected. Thanks for insults btw, appreciate it.

BTW this must be great news for you, you flying to England to be one of the first?

Oxford University scientists '80%' vaccine will work - and it could be ready in a few weeks

https://www.irishpost.com/news/oxford-university-scientists-80-vaccine-will-work-and-it-could-be-ready-in-a-few-weeks-186402

Goldengirl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Your post is fascinating given that 55% + of HSE staff do not get flu vaccine.

Also, what do you think about permanent social distancing for the elderly? To give them that extra buffer to avoid even potential risks of covid in case vaccine is ineffective? :rolleyes:

In most hospitals uptake is far higher than that , especially in nurses and doctors and healthcare workers . HSE staff who have little or no patient contact would have more leeway in deciding , as in ordinary members of the public .
But it it is pretty much enforced by occupational health departments and most frontline staff are happy to get it .
So is your point a dig at hospital staff..because quoting statistics without context doesn't give an accurate picture ?