Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Speakerboxx

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Shure, lets keep barbers shut until 20th of July, in the meantime

Over 3,000 people held a Black Lives Matter demonstration outside the US embassy in Dublin today. - 6th of June

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/thousands-of-people-take-part-in-black-lives-matter-protests-across-ireland-39265087.html

Look at the all the beautiful social distancing observed by nobody.

What the hell are we actually doing as a country currently - allowing 3000 people to gather and break all social distancing rules, while keeping barber shops, cinemas, gyms and pubs closed for further 6 weeks? This is just nonsense of epic proportions.

We are keeping businesses shut to control the R number right? Get them new cases to as low as possible. and then our law enforcement allows 3000 to gather for 2nd time in 2 weeks.

I dont know why ANY business would keep shut for even 1 more day with all this rubbish carry on.

PS look at all the pictures of the protest, no gloves were worn that day.

Totally agree. Everyone should carry on now and forget this 2 meter rule which is only nonsense at this stage

acequion

Penfailed wrote: »

You typed a very long post having a go at people for blindly following lockdown and not thinking for themselves...and then you post that ^^^

Again twisting my words. Again incapable of seeing the nuances of this complicated situation and seeing the nuances of other opinions. Black and white tunnel vision and hell bent on attacking the poster in order to be right.

Jog on now and find something else to do! :rolleyes:

Santy2015

Here we go, the day before easing... the scaremongering begins once again
https://t.co/Abvyxk1ho2
All of a sudden since Thursday contacts have risen from 2/3 to 4/6!!

_Kaiser_

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Shure, lets keep barbers shut until 20th of July, in the meantime

Over 3,000 people held a Black Lives Matter demonstration outside the US embassy in Dublin today. - 6th of June

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/thousands-of-people-take-part-in-black-lives-matter-protests-across-ireland-39265087.html

Look at the all the beautiful social distancing observed by nobody.

What the hell are we actually doing as a country currently - allowing 3000 people to gather and break all social distancing rules, while keeping barber shops, cinemas, gyms and pubs closed for further 6 weeks? This is just nonsense of epic proportions.

We are keeping businesses shut to control the R number right? Get them new cases to as low as possible. and then our law enforcement allows 3000 to gather for 2nd time in 2 weeks.

I dont know why ANY business would keep shut for even 1 more day with all this rubbish carry on.

PS look at all the pictures of the protest, no gloves were worn that day.

All I see there is people with too much time on their hands and opportunists - and someone who can't spell "breathe".

"End direct provision" eh? Sure... process their claims within 2 weeks, give them one appeal if they are denied, and then send them home if that fails - oh.. but wait, that's not what's being proposed is it? Nah.. just give em houses and permanent residency! :rolleyes:

eigrod

Santy2015 wrote: »

Here we go, the day before easing... the scaremongering begins once again
https://t.co/Abvyxk1ho2

Yep. The close contacts figure is meaningless without context.

If, as seems to be the case, the majority of new cases are from clusters like meat factories (and their employees sharing accommodation), of course the close contacts figures will be high. If it’s not in the community, there will be no close contacts in households of 1 to 4 to bring that average down.

Penfailed

acequion wrote: »

Again twisting my words. Again incapable of seeing the nuances of this complicated situation and seeing the nuances of other opinions. Black and white tunnel vision and hell bent on attacking the poster in order to be right.

Jog on now and find something else to do! :rolleyes:

Number one, I didn't twist your words, I quoted them. Number two, you talk about nuances and this complicated situation yet you are able to pigeonhole people into three categories. No room for nuance there. Number three, I didn't attack the poster. I am countering your viewpoint.

I'll not be jogging anywhere for a while. Dodgy knees.

andrew1977

Was out for my Sunday morning walk in a small village, lads going in under the shutters for a haircut in a small barbers , 3 or 4 lads waiting outside all up next for a chop.

Micky 32

Santy2015 wrote: »

Here we go, the day before easing... the scaremongering begins once again
https://t.co/Abvyxk1ho2
All of a sudden since Thursday contacts have risen from 2/3 to 4/6!!

Yet hospital and cases are dropping, nothing to see here. Scaremongering and something for RTE to report.

Didn’t they recently increase testing for close contacts lately? I’d expect a rise in that area.

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

Are you serious, vote for fg? I did in the two elections before the one just gone. Not a chance they'll get any vite again with varadkarcat the helm, supporting g rip off housing and using those thsy claimed to represent, to be cash cows for the obscene welfare state that they fully support , I'm referring to the cradle to grave welfare etc

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112348370&postcount=452

And there's more for those that want to search.

Did you ever get together with cartman to discuss your new political party?

average_runner

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yet hospital and cases are dropping, nothing to see here. Scaremongering and something for RTE to report.

Didn’t they recently increase testing for close contacts lately? I’d expect a rise in that area.

It's not scaremongering, hse are just releasing the numbers like always. All countries are doing it.

Berlin r rate went above one last week.

There is nothing worry about if the number stays low. Just don't do stupid things

average_runner

Idbatterim wrote: »

Are you serious, vote for fg? I did in the two elections before the one just gone. Not a chance they'll get any vite again with varadkarcat the helm, supporting g rip off housing and using those thsy claimed to represent, to be cash cows for the obscene welfare state that they fully support , I'm referring to the cradle to grave welfare etc

SF will give more to the welfare state as will FF.

So not sure who u want in power.

ZX7R

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yet hospital and cases are dropping, nothing to see here. Scaremongering and something for RTE to report.

Didn’t they recently increase testing for close contacts lately? I’d expect a rise in that area.

It's good news in reality as it shows that they have contact tracing in order.
How the rte news has it as an article heading that is a different story, they are always trying to spin a negative

Ginger n Lemon

Well well

"Many will feel real frustration that they had to stay closed for so long at all, especially given what is now emerging about the nature of the coronavirus and how it is spread in the community.

Investment bank JP Morgan recently found in a survey of each US state after lockdown, that in almost all states infection rates declined, not increased, after lockdowns ended. The evidence pointed to the idea that "common sense measures unrelated to full lockdowns", such as social distancing and hand-washing, were more effective in containing the virus."

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/retailers-will-feel-aggrieved-that-they-should-have-opened-sooner-39264055.html

I know right, they arent doctors or virologists they are just 1 investment bank.

Good article, talks about "Retailers will feel aggrieved that they should have opened sooner" damn right.

acequion

Penfailed wrote: »

Number one, I didn't twist your words, I quoted them. Number two, you talk about nuances and this complicated situation yet you are able to pigeonhole people into three categories. No room for nuance there. Number three, I didn't attack the poster. I am countering your viewpoint.

I'll not be jogging anywhere for a while. Dodgy knees.

Number one,you did not quote my words. At least I certainly didn't recognise my words in your post, hence my point about twisting them and I don't have time to trawl back over posts to squabble over who said what and anyway that was never my point in posting.

Number two, everything is pigeon holed for summary purposes. Otherwise how would all the great scholars of this world grasp complex concepts? How would kids learn in school? In real life everything is nuanced and everything is quite likely a paradox.

Therefore yes you can pigeon hole people into categories while at the same time appreciating the nuances. Anybody who claims that this whole situation isn't nuanced and complex with so many different facets and aspects to consider, is indeed very tunnel visioned.

Penfailed

acequion wrote: »

Number one,you did not quote my words.

Eh? I used the actual quote function to quote you.

Anyway, you, without nuance, stuck everyone in Ireland into three categories. You then castigated two of those groupings for following lockdown and said that you fell into the third group and were a free critical thinker. You then topped it off by saying that you followed lockdown...putting you firmly into one of the first two categories.

Goldengirl

storker wrote: »

Wow indeed. You appear to be projecting when you talk of apoplectic reactions. Try calming down and rereading my post, in which I didn't say that questioning restrictions was bad, what I said was that claiming that anyone who disagreed with you was just doing so because they were sheep blindly accepting the government narrative is a characteristic of conspiracy theorist arguments. You didn't touch any nerve (although I certainly appear to have done so), you just reminded me of behaviour I've seen before in online discussions.

As for who is "virulently anti restrictions", I would classify those as being anti restriction (no problem with that) but with a side serving of contempt and insult for those posters who weren't marching in step i.e. the accusations of "sitting on hole" enjoying €350 per week, or peering out terrified through letterboxes, curtain-twitching finger-waggers, anti-social troglodytes, crypto-fascists...that sort of thing. You don't have to look very hard to find evidence of it. That's before I even go into the disregard for life that was displayed by some.

This...says it all, well done !



As one poster who is ( incorrectly ) labelled pro lockdown or a clutching rosary beads ( again even funnier , lol) or curtain twitching , I say to those ...I have been working all through this looking after those infected , so haven't had as much time as others to be either curtain twitching or finger wagging. Or indeed on this site.
Unlike some who rail against the country ,the government, the medical experts who have tried to guide us through this crisis, the majority of people who follow the rules , they say unquestioningly.
I note , these posters appear to have nothing else to do but bang away on the keyboard all day . And they criticise people for sitting at home on Covid payment ? The irony of it .
How do you any of you know that people don't question or read about research in other countries?
Who made any of you the arbiter of common sense and reason?
Live and let live one, as one claimed was his philosophy...what a joke !
I really don't see how your viewpoints could be so narrow or biased except that you hear nothing else but the sound of your own voice all day.

At the end of the day it is down to personal responsibility whether people follow regulations or not.
Everyone has their own life to live but in this case it needed people to conform to a set of rules , WHETHER THEY LIKED OR AGREED WITH IT OR NOT , in order to stem this virus, which it has .
Whether some people are afraid still to go outside may depend on their vulnerability. I feel sorry for them but that is their decision.
While I sympathise with their fear the vast majority of people are happy to move on with their lives , albeit with a care to not get infected, which some here denigrate as being stupid or over cautious. So be it , time will tell on this virus .

Goldengirl

Idbatterim wrote: »

I agree, but many just follow rte blindly etc, hane no critical thinking themselves and arent even presented with any other views from the media. Its dangerous in my opinion....

Where do you get this information from ? This is your opinion , which you are entitled to , but I disagree with you.
Ireland is not the closed country you talk about anymore.

Goldengirl

Santy2015 wrote: »

Here we go, the day before easing... the scaremongering begins once again
https://t.co/Abvyxk1ho2
All of a sudden since Thursday contacts have risen from 2/3 to 4/6!!

How is this scaremongering?
It's a fact that as restrictions ease , contacts will grow because people are meeting more people .

Goldengirl

Penfailed wrote: »

Number one, I didn't twist your words, I quoted them. Number two, you talk about nuances and this complicated situation yet you are able to pigeonhole people into three categories. No room for nuance there. Number three, I didn't attack the poster. I am countering your viewpoint.

I'll not be jogging anywhere for a while. Dodgy knees.

He berated me for telling him to give over , lol!

acequion

Penfailed wrote: »

Eh? I used the actual quote function to quote you.

Anyway, you, without nuance, stuck everyone in Ireland into three categories. You then castigated two of those groupings for following lockdown and said that you fell into the third group and were a free critical thinker. You then topped it off by saying that you followed lockdown...putting you firmly into one of the first two categories.

Are you really that badly stuck for someone to fight with!

I wasn't referring to the quote function, which is just that, a quote function. I said you were twisting my words and twisting my meaning and you're still doing that. I didn't "put myself firmly" into any category, merely said I'd prefer the more open minded. Also, I never castigated anybody for following lockdown and yes I followed it and believed in it myself up to a point. I "castigated," to use your word, people with tunnel vision.

You are demonstrating that very tunnel vision by harping on and on. If you can't see the paradoxes and grey areas that's your problem. But for the last time,I stand over every word I said and to be forced to justify myself further is only dragging this thread off topic and tiresome for other posters.

I have no problem with people who disagree with me. None. But I do have a problem with people who can't accept a different world view, the kind of people who just can't live and let live, can't agree to disagree and won't let anything go.

I won't reply to any more of your posts, regardless how deliberately provocative.

Goldengirl

acequion wrote: »

Are you really that badly stuck for someone to fight with!

I wasn't referring to the quote function, which is just that, a quote function. I said you were twisting my words and twisting my meaning and you're still doing that. I didn't "put myself firmly" into any category, merely said I'd prefer the more open minded. Also, I never castigated anybody for following lockdown and yes I followed it and believed in it myself up to a point. I "castigated," to use your word, people with tunnel vision.

You are demonstrating that very tunnel vision by harping on and on. If you can't see the paradoxes and grey areas that's your problem. But for the last time,I stand over every word I said and to be forced to justify myself further is only dragging this thread off topic and tiresome for other posters.

I have no problem with people who disagree with me. None. But I do have a problem with people who can't accept a different world view, the kind of people who just can't live and let live, can't agree to disagree and won't let anything go.

I won't reply to any more of your posts, regardless how deliberately provocative.

I think you have a problem with yourself then ,as described above .

Idbatterim

average_runner wrote: »

SF will give more to the welfare state as will FF.

So not sure who u want in power.

A non left wing party and non exist here

Ginger n Lemon

Well there goes that

"British Airways has begun legal proceedings over what it calls the British government’s “unlawful” quarantine measures, which include 14-days of self-isolation for international arrivals.

It states: “In our view, the government has failed to identify a valid justification for the blanket nature of the regulations, especially given the extremely severe nature of the self-isolation provisions that apply.”

The letter sent to the Procurator General Jonathan Jones was also signed by BA’s budget rivals easyJet and Ryanair."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/ba-begins-legal-proceedings-over-unlawful-quarantine-measures-1003826.html

You cant assume 100% infection rate of arrivals lol.

Penfailed

Idbatterim wrote: »

A non left wing party and non exist here

You want a right wing party? How far to the right?

storker

Penfailed wrote: »

You want a right wing party? How far to the right?

Ghengis Khan

Idbatterim

Penfailed wrote: »

You want a right wing party? How far to the right?

Ah I'd even be happy with a centrist party. It's amazing, no money to lock up endless conviction scumbags etc , but this virus hits or the last bust and tens of billions can be found in the blink of an eye, as an example

Anyway the housing crisis hasn't gone away and it will be the younge generation fcuked over the most by this again, just borrow billions more to be paid back by the younger generations ....

Penfailed

acequion wrote: »

Are you really that badly stuck for someone to fight with!

I wasn't referring to the quote function, which is just that, a quote function. I said you were twisting my words and twisting my meaning and you're still doing that. I didn't "put myself firmly" into any category, merely said I'd prefer the more open minded. Also, I never castigated anybody for following lockdown and yes I followed it and believed in it myself up to a point. I "castigated," to use your word, people with tunnel vision.

You are demonstrating that very tunnel vision by harping on and on. If you can't see the paradoxes and grey areas that's your problem. But for the last time,I stand over every word I said and to be forced to justify myself further is only dragging this thread off topic and tiresome for other posters.

I have no problem with people who disagree with me. None. But I do have a problem with people who can't accept a different world view, the kind of people who just can't live and let live, can't agree to disagree and won't let anything go.

I won't reply to any more of your posts, regardless how deliberately provocative.

Look. I'm not fighting with you. I'm disagreeing with you. You say you don't have a problem with that but then post as if you do. I don't have tunnel vision, as you put it.
You're calling people, 'dictators/control freaks' or 'subservient followers' and you're more of a 'live and let live' kind of fella. You told me to 'jog on'. That's not a very live and let live attitude. You should calm down. I'm happy enough if you don't want to engage with any more of my posts. Equally, I will respond if you do. I'm very, 'live and let live' in that respect...

crossman47

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Totally agree. Everyone should carry on now and forget this 2 meter rule which is only nonsense at this stage

No. If a group of people drove while drunk and got away with it (it happens), does that give everyone else the right to do the same? The 2 metre rule is the best proven method of stopping transmission especially since, this being Ireland, people then say "Ah sure, one metre is fine"

storker

Penfailed wrote: »

It's proven that you are 4 times more likely to catch the virus at 1m than 2m. It's safer to stick to the two metre rule. 1m is normality. If someone was closer than a metre to me, they'd be invading my personal space. Things haven't returned to normal yet.

Agreed. 1 metre isn't distancing at all; it's normal conversation distance. I get that 2 metres might be too difficult for businesses to achieve, and that's a problem - perhaps to be solved with screens and/or masks, but people need to remember that 1 metre doesn't magically become just as safe as 2 metres just because businesses like it better.

Ginger n Lemon

storker wrote: »

Agreed. 1 metre isn't distancing at all; it's normal conversation distance. I get that 2 metres might be too difficult for businesses to achieve, and that's a problem - perhaps to be solved with screens and/or masks, but people need to remember that 1 metre doesn't magically become just as safe as 2 metres just because businesses like it better.

Oh uh

"IRELAND’S TWO-METRE social distancing requirement is set to be relaxed as part of measures designed to boost the reopening hospitality sector from next month.

According to a report from the Irish Mail one Sunday, the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) is set to give the go-ahead to plans that would see the two-metre rule reduced to 1.5 metres or even one metre by July, provided the infection rate of Covid-19 remains low."

https://www.irishpost.com/news/two-metre-social-distancing-rules-to-be-relaxed-for-pubs-and-hospitality-sector-from-next-month-186398

New cases will be low as a lot of people are asymptomatic anyway and doing your random covid test 98% of which tests negative for will get boring and old very quickly.

I like this thread for many reasons, mostly for the hypothetical idealism displayed by few people here. Not to worry, remember you personally can keep even 3 metres away if you want to be safer. :pac: