Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

manniot2

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I know it is a bit controversial. But are things still a little bit slow? Bars in Brussels are open today, and were open in Paris over the weekend yet we will need to wait until 20 July here unless you want to have a substantial meal. The 2 metre rule needs to be reduced for public transport and there is still no clarity on flying.

And this controlling behaviour about what is and what is not a substantial meal is insulting to businesses who have made massive sacrifices.

Of course its too slow. What is going to be different at the end of July? 25 cases a day these days, it will never be much lower than that.

I cant help but feel the treatment of the hairdressers is a bit of a class issue. They dont seem to have the proper representation at government level like the Vintners etc.

GocRh

the kelt wrote: »

Ah look bit by bit.

I looked at the original plan over the weekend and where we are now as of this morning is a world apart.

It took them a while to realise how ridiculous the original plan was in its timings etc but we got there eventually. By the end of June there could be another huge acceleration of things.

Seems to be the likely scenario. Simon Harris and the NPHET will continue to issue 'guidelines' demanding social distancing which the Cabinet will not implement. As was the case last week with the acceleration of the reopening plan - it did not follow in full the NPHET guideline.
The Cabinet has finally decided to do its job and stop delegating decision making solely to the NPHET and Simon Harris.

MickeyLeari

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Used the bus myself this morning, I'm one of the first stops so was fine but if your not in the first few stops forget about it, we were flying past stops with plenty of people at them. Public transport is a mess this morning by all accounts.

It was always going to be with the insistence on 2 m. They could have gone to 1.5 m for public transport in line with Germany etc instead they are having a "study"....

Ginger n Lemon

NIMAN wrote: »

Watched the piece on the news last night about shops preparations to reopen.

I always hated shopping but if thats what it'll be like, I'll be ordering online.

There was an assistant helping a child try on shoes. She was like a mummy, only her eyes showing. Tight mask and a guard like she was about to strim the garden. And the child was behind a perspex screen as well. You could have let a bomb off on the other side and she would probably have survived.

And then any item of clothes tried on has to be put in a room for 24hrs and steam cleaned.

It's all a bit OCD if you ask me.

I feel for the small retailers. The cost of this will cripple many.

Fully agree. It was a very very sad scene, even child rolled up his eyes when camera turned to him.

the whole steaming of clothes etc is just crazy stuff, you could really see they made a special effort for the RTE coming to town

GocRh

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It was always going to be with the insistence on 2 m. They could have gone to 1.5 m for public transport in line with Germany etc instead they are having a "study"....

And face masks should be mandatory. Even England is getting along with the programme, I don't understand why Ireland is still waiting.

Onesea

Was going to fly back to Ireland start of July. But looking at the uncertain and unclear picture of the speed of reopening is making me hold off until all the restrictions are gone.
Is there a quarantine period for visitors? And if the quarantine for visitors drops they will have to figure out how people will get from the airports given the limited public transport effort.

Ginger n Lemon

Only in f*ing Ireland

Serving ‘substantial’ meal will be required for pubs to reopen

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/serving-substantial-meal-will-be-required-for-pubs-to-reopen-1.4273112?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fserving-substantial-meal-will-be-required-for-pubs-to-reopen-1.4273112

Seriously, all those stand up comedians are going to have sooo much material couple of months from now in their shows.

"have you ever been to Ireland? Yeah"

"Health dept thought that a fed customer is a healthy customer" :pac::pac::pac:

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

So its now time to start complaining that places are opening after complaining about them being closed :pac:

Gotta love this thread.

It's almost as if they were full of something. Not quite sure exactly, but there is a bit of an agricultural smell off them.

setanta1984

NIMAN wrote: »

Watched the piece on the news last night about shops preparations to reopen.

I always hated shopping but if thats what it'll be like, I'll be ordering online.

There was an assistant helping a child try on shoes. She was like a mummy, only her eyes showing. Tight mask and a guard like she was about to strim the garden. And the child was behind a perspex screen as well. You could have let a bomb off on the other side and she would probably have survived.

And then any item of clothes tried on has to be put in a room for 24hrs and steam cleaned.

It's all a bit OCD if you ask me.

I feel for the small retailers. The cost of this will cripple many.

It's insanity. I think it will last for 2 weeks, max.

All of this is optics for the media and the internet.

Tenzor07

Onesea wrote: »

Was going to fly back to Ireland start of July. But looking at the uncertain and unclear picture of the speed of reopening is making me hold off until all the restrictions are gone.
Is there a quarantine period for visitors? And if the quarantine for visitors drops they will have to figure out how people will get from the airports given the limited public transport effort.

Can't see that the majority of small hotels,pubs, restaurants will bother opening in July as things stand.
Most have been closed for 3 months already, what's another month while Holohan decides about the 2m rule?

MickeyLeari

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Only in f*ing Ireland

Serving ‘substantial’ meal will be required for pubs to reopen

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/serving-substantial-meal-will-be-required-for-pubs-to-reopen-1.4273112?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fserving-substantial-meal-will-be-required-for-pubs-to-reopen-1.4273112

Seriously, all those stand up comedians are going to have sooo much material couple of months from now in their shows.

"have you ever been to Ireland? Yeah"

"Health dept thought that a fed customer is a healthy customer" :pac::pac::pac:

For many years a substantial meal in nightclubs was "Chicken curry and chips" and it was not obligatory to have. .

Ginger n Lemon

BAD BAD NEWS - co incidence we are accelerating?

"KPMG calls for zero rate VAT as data show slow pick-up in economic activity

The Government should consider introducing a zero VAT rate for some businesses, according to KPMG, one of the State’s largest accountancy firms. The call comes as new figures show the reopening of the construction sector failed to spark a swift rebound in activity last month.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/kpmg-calls-for-zero-rate-vat-as-data-show-slow-pick-up-in-economic-activity-1.4272962?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Fkpmg-calls-for-zero-rate-vat-as-data-show-slow-pick-up-in-economic-activity-1.4272962

I can see further acceleration 29th of June.

GocRh

Onesea wrote: »

Was going to fly back to Ireland start of July. But looking at the uncertain and unclear picture of the speed of reopening is making me hold off until all the restrictions are gone.
Is there a quarantine period for visitors? And if the quarantine for visitors drops they will have to figure out how people will get from the airports given the limited public transport effort.

2-week quarantine at the moment. Quarantine is a recommendation, not a requirement, but it is a requirement to fill in the contact tracing arrival form.
Airport buses not operating, realistically taxis are the only option.
Unless you have a place to stay in Ireland or people to visit I wouldn't bother visiting early July. Most places will still be closed or with strict social distancing rules.

Ginger n Lemon

Mmmm clear as mud what needs to be done

"Two-metre rule to cost thousands their jobs, government report reveals

Thousands of people will not be able to return to work in the tourism sector if the two-metre social distancing restriction is not relaxed, a government report reveals.

Less than a quarter of people working in hotels, restaurants and pubs will return to their jobs at the end of this month if the strict Covid-19 rule is maintained for the industry"

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-metre-rule-to-cost-thousands-their-jobs-government-report-reveals-39267254.html

Get rid of that nonsense 2 metre asap (pref for 29 June)

prunudo

setanta1984 wrote: »

It's insanity. I think it will last for 2 weeks, max.

All of this is optics for the media and the internet.

I think 'new normal' is a media word. In the real world we won't be long to reverting to original life. Once hand washing, coughing/sneezing etiquette and sensible social distancing is implemented, people will soon discover that the majority of covid safety precautions are unworkable in everyday life.

Sofa King Great

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Only in f*ing Ireland

Serving ‘substantial’ meal will be required for pubs to reopen

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/serving-substantial-meal-will-be-required-for-pubs-to-reopen-1.4273112?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fserving-substantial-meal-will-be-required-for-pubs-to-reopen-1.4273112

Seriously, all those stand up comedians are going to have sooo much material couple of months from now in their shows.

"have you ever been to Ireland? Yeah"

"Health dept thought that a fed customer is a healthy customer" :pac::pac::pac:

Not that hard to understand. They dont want pubs reopening. They want restaurants reopening. Some pubs have restaurant licenses so therefore this is to ensure they open as restaurants as opposed to pubs

facehugger99

tigger123 wrote: »

Just read the lead story on the IT website.

What is the logic on insisting that pubs serve a substantial meal? Surely table service should be enough...?

How does serving a substantial meal help to stop the spread of the virus?

Logic was fcuked out the window right at the start of this.

Benimar

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Mmmm clear as mud what needs to be done

"Two-metre rule to cost thousands their jobs, government report reveals

Thousands of people will not be able to return to work in the tourism sector if the two-metre social distancing restriction is not relaxed, a government report reveals.

Less than a quarter of people working in hotels, restaurants and pubs will return to their jobs at the end of this month if the strict Covid-19 rule is maintained for the industry"

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-metre-rule-to-cost-thousands-their-jobs-government-report-reveals-39267254.html

Get rid of that nonsense 2 metre asap (pref for 29 June)

A serious question for you. On the basis that you don’t want to (completely!) ignore health advice, would you support a reduction of 2M to 1m IF everyone had to remain seated and had to wear masks when entering, exiting, walking to toilet?

This push for 1m is mad. I can see some sort of argument to go to 1.5m (I’m not certain I would personally) as some European countries use that. To reduce it to the ‘minimum’ the WHO, given the Irish record with minimum requirements would be an enormous risk.

MickeyLeari

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I find the amount of people on this thread scoffing at health experts predicting disaster while lapping up every single economic doom story fascinating.

They were wrong. We will be right.

Jackman25

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I find the amount of people on this thread scoffing at health experts predicting disaster while lapping up every single economic doom story fascinating.

Other than Gerry Killeen, what health experts are predicting disaster?
Can you link to them?

Benimar

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Not that hard to understand. They dont want pubs reopening. They want restaurants reopening. Some pubs have restaurant licenses so therefore this is to ensure they open as restaurants as opposed to pubs

This.

And to stop the 10 pints of Guinness and a packet of peanuts lads going to the pubs for another 3 weeks until they see how places run with SD.

There is some chance people eating will remain seated and respect SD. The lads out for a session? Not so much.

pjohnson

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I find the amount of people on this thread scoffing at health experts predicting disaster while lapping up every single economic doom story fascinating.

The economy is doomed is they stay closed. Now the economy is doomed if they open.

MickeyLeari

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's exactly the kind of thing people predicting a 10-20% fatality rate in the early covid threads were saying.

Indeed a 6 billion one month deficit is trivial. I know quite a few people who have already been let go.

Jackman25

pjohnson wrote: »

So its now time to start complaining that places are opening after complaining about them being closed :pac:

Gotta love this thread.

Hilarious to see this idiot still pretending to scoff at the thread even though the "relaxation of restrictions" before the scheduled time as most posters were calling for, is exactly what is happening.

ShyMets

facehugger99 wrote: »

Logic was fcuked out the window right at the start of this.

Looks like its to prevent a group of people going into a pub, ordering toasted sandwich between them and then having rake of pints.

I can see what they're trying to do. But its fair to say these new regulations won't last pis*ing time.

Onesea

The social distancing is horse ****e.People won't and cannot live like that.

MickeyLeari

ShyMets wrote: »

Looks like its to prevent a group of people going into a pub, ordering toasted sandwich between them and then having rake of pints.

I can see what they're trying to do. But its fair to say these new regulations won't last pis*ing time.

What is the public health risk?

ixoy

Benimar wrote: »

This push for 1m is mad. I can see some sort of argument to go to 1.5m (I’m not certain I would personally) as some European countries use that. To reduce it to the ‘minimum’ the WHO, given the Irish record with minimum requirements would be an enormous risk.

Do you think that people will suddenly get right up in each other's faces if it was reduced? I can't really see that happening - people are close enough often as is and many are effectively at 1m already and I doubt they'll go closer.

The reduction would mostly affect businesses and how they space things out. 1.5m does not seem to have impacted Germany and indeed some countries are trying 1m.

pjohnson

Jackman25 wrote: »

Hilarious to see this idiot still pretending to scoff at the thread even though the "relaxation of restrictions" before the scheduled time as most posters were calling for, is exactly what is happening.

Yet some whingers are still are whinging! Despite supposedly getting exactly what they wanted.

Almost like they just wanted to have a whinge regardless. Not the least bit suprised the most vocal are still the most vocal with the whinging. Never happy.

ednwireland

honestly does gerry killen get off on this, the rest of europe opens up yet he wants everyone to sit at home terrified. cant someone put him on €350 a week and see how long he thinks thats a good idea.

i suspect we will have a second wave (but hope not) but the way this virus is behaving seems to be making it hard to predict for experts (surely spain and italy should be in a second wave by now ?)

A leading disease control expert has said the Government’s decision to ease restrictions is ‘bamboozling’ and that 60,000 Irish people could die from Covid-19 as a result.

He said Ireland is ‘inevitably’ going to be hit with a second Covid-19 wave, which could bring 1,000 deaths a day unless it is stopped.

‘I can guarantee that if you follow the plan as New scheduled, even for the five phases, I can guarantee you a second wave, 100% – not 99%, 100%.

but then he was speaking to the irish daily mail

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/expert-says-accelerated-reopening-could-cost-60-000-lives/ar-BB15b7Lx?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds