Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

It’ll be some bridge to cross when we’ve no economy left. I’ve no problem with small sensible precautions wash your hands wear a mask on public transport but the social distancing and other such are nonsense and will destroy the country.

How will it? People can still come, they can still mix. Maybe they can do it at slightly different times so you're not crammed into a bar on top of each other. Why does this have to be the case to save the economy?

And the other example haircuts, who's going to not have a professional haircut because they might not have a natter with their favourite hairdresser or - shock horror - have to book an appointment? If people take some personal responsability and not constantly be looking for everything on tap convenience the economy will be just fine.

growleaves wrote: »

If pubs are made systematically un-enjoyable by micro-regulations on behaviour then people might dislike it and stop going which would mean more pubs will close.

It doesn't just matter what people here think - or if they opposed the lockdown or not - since we're only a handful of people on this thread. Its how the whole mass of people respond to the new "pub experience". Different pubs may get different reactions, who knows.

Yes .some pubs their whole vibe is small and packed and cosy .
I know one in particular that has said a month ago it will not be opening until the virus is gone !
They just don't think its safe or viable .

Is the 2 metre separation distance required in pubs/restaurants?

Or has it been lifted? Is it gone from public transport?

No shows and late arrivals should have been getting charged fron before covid tbf so thats a good change.

Assetbacked wrote: »

The queues outside the shops are ridiculous and such a token gesture when everyone is on top of each other inside and can touch what they want (remember this has been the case with supermarkets the last 3 months and there was zero clusters from supermarkets). My feeling is that the media scaremongering is in order to ensure enough impressionable idiots are scared enough to not go out and socialise as there is a large cohort of people that view the virus as not very serious, the measures as illogical and therefore are just getting back to normal, so that's the best that can be hoped for at this stage.

The mandatory masks on public transport as of today, when it's been stated by our decision makers to not be important only a few weeks ago and in the context of the daily briefings attendees never wearing them, is absurd and quite comical. Social distancing will be done by September, I still feel this way.

FYI on masks mandatory as of today, masks are still not mandatory on public transport. The legislation hasn't been drawn up yet, no date set yet. Still lots of details to be worked out.

Tried to make a booking for a table at a well known late bar for the end of next month to celebrate a friends birthday but we won’t be bothering after seeing all the terms and conditions attached to it.

We’ll have to sit in 2x tables of 4 because tables of 6 is the max allowed.
Said tables will be 2m apart, and we won’t be allowed socialise, interact or even swap places with our friends at the other table.
We won’t be allowed communicate at all and we have to remain in our allocated seats for the duration of our 90 minute slot.
We can’t book more than one slot so we can’t stay for longer than 90 minutes.
It sounds like an absolutely grim experience so we aren’t bothering. I attached the reply from the bar below, I covered any identifying info so I think it’s ok.

If this is the reality of going to the pub going forward, I can’t see many making the effort to even go. You’d get less hassle going through airport security.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Tried to make a booking for a table at a well known late bar for the end of next month to celebrate a friends birthday but we won’t be bothering after seeing all the terms and conditions attached to it.

We’ll have to sit in 2x tables of 4 because tables of 6 is the max allowed.
Said tables will be 2m apart, and we won’t be allowed socialise, interact or even swap places with our friends at the other table.
We won’t be allowed communicate at all and we have to remain in our allocated seats for the duration of our 90 minute slot.
We can’t book more than one slot so we can’t stay for longer than 90 minutes.
It sounds like an absolutely grim experience so we aren’t bothering. I attached the reply from the bar below, I covered any identifying info so I think it’s ok.

If this is the reality of going to the pub going forward, I can’t see many making the effort to even go. You’d get less hassle going through airport security.

Got this from another venue in Dublin also when I enquired about after 20th July

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

It’ll be some bridge to cross when we’ve no economy left. I’ve no problem with small sensible precautions wash your hands wear a mask on public transport but the social distancing and other such are nonsense and will destroy the country.

Will they destroy most other countries too? ...because they're also doing it.

crossman47 wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't go to a restaurant if they had no safeguards. I intend to support those who have.

That's not my point. They all have to and 6 per table for next 3 weeks is my point. Guidelines for pubs are yet to be issued

SusieBlue wrote: »

Tried to make a booking for a table at a well known late bar for the end of next month to celebrate a friends birthday but we won’t be bothering after seeing all the terms and conditions attached to it.

We’ll have to sit in 2x tables of 4 because tables of 6 is the max allowed.
Said tables will be 2m apart, and we won’t be allowed socialise, interact or even swap places with our friends at the other table.
We won’t be allowed communicate at all and we have to remain in our allocated seats for the duration of our 90 minute slot.
We can’t book more than one slot so we can’t stay for longer than 90 minutes.
It sounds like an absolutely grim experience so we aren’t bothering. I attached the reply from the bar below, I covered any identifying info so I think it’s ok.

If this is the reality of going to the pub going forward, I can’t see many making the effort to even go. You’d get less hassle going through airport security.

And this is the point I made earlier.. Why would you spend (probably more) money for an "experience" like that?

It's absolutely not the businesses fault but they'll have reduced trade anyway. If still more people decide not to bother, many will struggle and close. As I said a few days ago too, with them being "open" the subsidises for staff wages from the government won't be there either.

This half-open approach will do more harm than good I fear.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And this is the point I made earlier.. Why would you spend (probably more) money for an "experience" like that?

It's absolutely not the businesses fault but they'll have reduced trade anyway. If still more people decide not to bother, many will struggle and close. As I said a few days ago too, with them being "open" the subsidises for staff wages from the government won't be there either.

This half-open approach will do more harm than good I fear.

Perhaps, but what else can be done really.
People were asked to be responsible but the weekend before we went into lockdown pubs, clubs, beaches etc, were jammed.
Do you think that if pubs were allowed to open without restrictions now it would be any different and we would not end up back to where we were in April ?

fr336 wrote: »

I'm not sure they care. A lot of people, more than you think, have an attitude of "That's life, these things happen". As if Covid is another of those things that just happens in life and got to get on with it, no avoiding it. It's like seeing an invasion coming and just waving them in.

I think there is a fairly large cohort that figure their chance of not being seriously effected if they are infected could not care less who they infect or kill. Something the same is now going on with opposition to wearing masks. Wearing face masks is more to protect others than to protect the wearer.

deathbomber wrote: »

Correct - typing on the phone, outbreak wave/cluster - however you want to phrase it. Box clever? Look at the uk headlines today, thousands on the beaches, USA seeing large outbreaks now probably due to the protests. We won't be boxing any more cleverer. If international travel resumes, the argument is there for being hit with a bigger spike than before which means more deaths than before. People at least should mask up in public, shops etc. If international travel is restricted, it means far less deaths and relative normality in full

Yes, Box clever means no nationwide lockdown, no closing of borders, it means test, trace, isolate.. protect the vulnerable, hospitals now deal with Covid very efficiently, this isn't march we know how to deal with those who need hospital care for Covid.
The USA aren't managing the response, but what to you expect, they have seriously bad systemic faults with their healthcare system. And one of the worst Presidents in history.
Same in UK, the Tory response and the Dominic Cummings scandal has destroyed political leadership in Government Covid rules. Same in Brazil, the worst political leadership possible.

The panic when we saw what happened in Northern Italy never happened here, an advantage of being an Island nation.
This "bigger spike" you keep carping on about won't happen either, and I won't keep engaging with the same ridiculous argument over and over.