Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

Alejandro68

What if we are the only highly intelligent species in the Universe at the moment? Given the recent discovery of life somewhat on Venus which is microbiological. By the time they evolve into a somewhat intelligent being, wouldn't we be the high tech aliens to them? And yes I have been drinking and pondering this.

Timberrrrrrrr

Alejandro68 wrote: »

What if we are the only highly intelligent species in the Universe at the moment? Given the recent discovery of life somewhat on Venus which is microbiological. By the time they evolve into a somewhat intelligent being, wouldn't we be the high tech aliens to them? And yes I have been drinking and pondering this.

But then what if we are considered the equivelant of microbial specks to a more advanced race?

Hamsterchops

Japanese military given instructions on UFOs ...

http://news.sky.com/story/japanese-military-given-instructions-on-ufos-12072428

Alejandro68

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But then what if we are considered the equivelant of microbial specks to a more advanced race?

You make a good question for which I have no answer at the moment. But that scenario is also possible.

EmmetSpiceland

bangkok wrote: »

humans are currently driving a vehicle around mars, we've been to the moon, sent probes to venus, jupitur saturn, crashed a probe into a passing comet, in 200 years we will probably be walking or flying around most of the planets in the solar system, in 1000 years, we will probably be living on other planets, why is it so implausible to you that aliens are currently fling around the earth?!

Distance and time. It’s highly likely that we’ll be moving outwards, saving an extinction level “event”.

The moon, Mars, Europa, Enceladus and maybe, even Titan. Anywhere we can get fuel to hop further out but once we get to the ice giants we’re looking at “ark” type ships that will be making one way trips out into the great black yonder.

The idea of aliens zip-zapping across our planet and then “whizzing“ back to their home world to report on what the humans did next just doesn’t make sense.

If they wanted to contact us, they would, if they wanted study us, they would and not in a clumsy “anal fixated” way and if they wanted to conquer us, they could.

Although why they would want to is anyone’s guess. There’s nothing on this planet that they couldn’t find floating out in space in abundance. Unless they need the blood of the humans to power their vast “space bending” super hyper power drives? I mean, it’s possible...

unhappys10

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Distance and time. It’s highly likely that we’ll be moving outwards, saving an extinction level “event”.

The moon, Mars, Europa, Enceladus and maybe, even Titan. Anywhere we can get fuel to hop further out but once we get to the ice giants we’re looking at “ark” type ships that will be making one way trips out into the great black yonder.

The idea of aliens zip-zapping across our planet and then “whizzing“ back to their home world to report on what the humans did next just doesn’t make sense.

If they wanted to contact us, they would, if they wanted study us, they would and not in a clumsy “anal fixated” way and if they wanted to conquer us, they could.

Although why they would want to is anyone’s guess. There’s nothing on this planet that they couldn’t find floating out in space in abundance. Unless they need the blood of the humans to power their vast “space bending” super hyper power drives? I mean, it’s possible...

You're that full of sh1te the probe would get stuck.

EmmetSpiceland

unhappys10 wrote: »

You're that full of sh1te the probe would get stuck.

Point your “probing finger” somewhere, pal.

Also, stop focusing on my arse, keep “watching the skies”

bangkok

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Point your “probing finger” somewhere, pal.

Also, stop focusing on my arse, keep “watching the skies”

You are the one who keeps mentioning anal probing and im not sure why

the purple tin

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Distance and time. It’s highly likely that we’ll be moving outwards, saving an extinction level “event”.

The moon, Mars, Europa, Enceladus and maybe, even Titan. Anywhere we can get fuel to hop further out but once we get to the ice giants we’re looking at “ark” type ships that will be making one way trips out into the great black yonder.

The idea of aliens zip-zapping across our planet and then “whizzing“ back to their home world to report on what the humans did next just doesn’t make sense.

If they wanted to contact us, they would, if they wanted study us, they would and not in a clumsy “anal fixated” way and if they wanted to conquer us, they could.

Although why they would want to is anyone’s guess. There’s nothing on this planet that they couldn’t find floating out in space in abundance. Unless they need the blood of the humans to power their vast “space bending” super hyper power drives? I mean, it’s possible...

Humans. Animals. Plants.
You are trying to apply human reasoning to non-human creatures.
Unless you are an alien E. Trying to throw humanity off your scent. When did you crashland?

steddyeddy

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Come on now, S, you can’t really believe it’s aliens from some extra-solar planet “whizzing” about our skies? You’re always going on about being a scientist, surely you view this Fortean nonsense as a bit of fun, not to be taken seriously.

It's not a matter of belief Emmet. I don't believe there's aliens. We don't do that in science. What we do is work through what we have to go on and eliminate what it could or couldn't be. What you're doing is calling one option crazy which is so far away from science it's not even funny. We start off from a position of "I don't know".

I don't know what it is but let's work through it. Here's part of the account of Dave Fravor, the aforementioned pilot.

Cmdr. David Fravor, a former squadron leader who worked as a Navy pilot for 18 years, said on Monday he was on a routine training mission off the coast of California in 2004 when his unit was directed to go and examine strange unidentified objects that were descending from 80,000 to 20,000 feet, and then disappearing.

Upon flying 60 miles to the location, Fravor says he saw a tic-tac shaped object, “40 feet long with no wings, just hanging close to the water,” in an interview with the Washington Post on Monday. He said it created a disturbance on the water uncharacteristic of a helicopter or a plane, and moved rapidly.

“As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, it accelerates and it’s gone,” he told the Post. “Faster than I’d ever seen anything in my life. We turn around, say let’s go see what’s in the water and there’s nothing. Just blue water.”

So it's something that responds to the pilots, mirrors them and even actively jammed their radar (an act of war). So seemingly intelligent.

On the technical aspects several points stand out. It accelerated faster than anything 6 seasoned pilots had seen, it had no visible (to the naked eye or infrared camera) propulsion system, it moved without inertia, it hovered in 70 mph winds and it had the capability to jam radar. It was also picked up on radar intermittently;. The aircraft carrier radar did pick up something that was moving faster than could be estimated accurately.

It's unlikely to be something natural that isn't controlled by something.

Now we're away from lanterns, lights or birds.

We're down to some sort of vehicle. Is it man made or not.

All of the pilots and Navy officials who have got involved has said that no aircraft exist like this on earth. It's not simply a incremental progression towards a new aircraft, it's new propulsion systems and even new utilisation of physics (lack of inertia, no heat signature).

It's not likely to be from earth so we're only left with something extraterrestrial with technology far in excess of ours.

I mean, we’re not talking about, intelligent, life existing in far flung corners of the galaxy here, that’s fine but the sci-fi stuff can’t be taken too seriously.

There's military data on something unidentified operating with aerodynamic parameters completely unknown and you're saying we can't take it seriously. You realise how unscientific that is?

I’ve no doubt your pilot saw something, no reason to suggest he didn’t, but to call it alien and then say “that’s that” is just insane. Aliens has to be the least likely explanation but, then again, it seems to be the easiest.

At first glance it's obviously inappropriate to call something alien. That's why you go through the facts and data. It's a vehicle, it's not like anything we have on earth so the alien theory isn't so unlikely.

bobbyy gee

it's like god you believe or you don't believe
or moving statues

igCorcaigh

bobbyy gee wrote: »

it's like god you believe or you don't believe
or moving statues

It isn't really.

Cases like this are more like the legal system.

You gather evidence, present some hypotheses and see how they weigh up.

But in delivering your verdict, you require a very high.burden of proof, so my opinion is that the jury is out, as the evidence is anecdotal or ambiguous. And the claim is extraordinary.

JasonStatham

I was watching Ancient Aliens last night on Blaze.

They had some engineered aluminium object that dated from before humans had the capability to industrially produce aluminum

They were also showing a metal ball discovered in America (Betz Sphere) that had a.small sample of element 140 inside the ball, and which made the device roll around after humans. Bizarre stuff.

bobbyy gee

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Point your “probing finger” somewhere, pal.

Also, stop focusing on my arse, keep “watching the skies”

You know aliens live underground

Wanderer78

Hamsterchops wrote:

What are UFOs !

No, we haven't been visited, too many humans have overactive imaginations!

The Nal

Heres the problem really

This video explains why we cannot go faster than light

the purple tin

JasonStatham wrote: »

I was watching Ancient Aliens last night on Blaze.

They had some engineered aluminium object that dated from before humans had the capability to industrially produce aluminum

They were also showing a metal ball discovered in America (Betz Sphere) that had a.small sample of element 140 inside the ball, and which made the device roll around after humans. Bizarre stuff.

And there was a show on before it about the portugese air force pilot in 1977 who had a close encounter with a craft that moved super fast and didn't show up on radar it caused his instruments to go gaga and his plane went into freefall. he was very lucky to gain control at the last second.
The encounter happened above a big hydro-electric dam and at the exact same time there was a massive drain on the power station that they couldn't explain. Really interesting stuff.

saabsaab

They exist alright as shown by the released US navy videos and other cases. What they are is the question.

the purple tin

There was one theory that the tic tac UFO is a top-secret craft belonging to US military.
If that's true they have really been keeping us in the dark. It had no visible engine or means of propulsion, no wings, moved super-fast, and hovered completely still in strong winds, produced no heat, no exhaust fumes ect.


It would have to be anti-gravity technology and really, really advanced. If it is man-made then they have gone way ahead of anything we could have imagined.
Even our space programs are still using more or less victorian technology, like.

McGinniesta

I believe that it is foolish to dismiss stuff that is not yet fully understood or explained.

Scepticism is fine but flat dismissal is foolish.

This also goes for the paranormal, the occult and other related areas.

saabsaab

If the tic tacs are man made why are the major powers still using rocket technology to launch satellites? Doesn't seem to make sense.

the purple tin

saabsaab wrote: »

If the tic tacs are man made why are the major powers still using rocket technology to launch satellites? Doesn't seem to make sense.

Well the theory is that there was a breakaway or crossroads of technology: NASA carried on with the old fashioned combustion technology while other sections of the Govt started to secretly develop more advanced propulsion systems.


The space program has sort of stalled since the 70s tbf, Von Braun claimed that we would be visiting Mars and have colonies on the Moon by the 80s I think.
It is the same with weapons development, US, Russia, China etc want to keep everything top-secret, don't let the other crowd even get an inkling of what you've got.


It's interesting that in the big UFO wave of the early 50s in America, lots of high up people in military and govt thought that they were advanced Russian craft buzzing the US as an aggressive display of air superiority. They even asked Russia on the QT if they belonged to them.

jmlad2020

saabsaab wrote: »

If the tic tacs are man made why are the major powers still using rocket technology to launch satellites? Doesn't seem to make sense.

If they are man made, whoever is suppressing it from major powers doesn't want us to know something.

If it turns out to be copied technology from UFOs this will potentially confirm the presence of extra terrestrial life forms.. which would possibly cause widespread panic.

4068ac1elhodqr

This^ relates also to the concept of free-energy systems.

You can only imagine the imbalance (of current) that would suddenly occur if some poor potatoe farmer in Egypt can suddenly run desal-plants, tractors, and all sorts of machinery for free 24/7, sure you'd never get any peace with folks whizzing about on hoverboards or zero-point gravitating themselves down to Barbados for the weekend.

igCorcaigh

the purple tin wrote: »

There was one theory that the tic tac UFO is a top-secret craft belonging to US military.
If that's true they have really been keeping us in the dark. It had no visible engine or means of propulsion, no wings, moved super-fast, and hovered completely still in strong winds, produced no heat, no exhaust fumes ect.


It would have to be anti-gravity technology and really, really advanced. If it is man-made then they have gone way ahead of anything we could have imagined.
Even our space programs are still using more or less victorian technology, like.

They would have used it openly though?

Then again, the US has never had to fight an existential war.

the purple tin

Silas Steep Gull wrote: »

This^ relates also to the concept of free-energy systems.

You can only imagine the imbalance (of current) that would suddenly occur if some poor potatoe farmer in Egypt can suddenly run desal-plants, tractors, and all sorts of machinery for free 24/7, sure you'd never get any peace with folks whizzing about on hoverboards or zero-point gravitating themselves down to Barbados for the weekend.

That's true. The entire fossil fuel industry would die overnight leaving some very pissed off billionaires.


Richard Dolan is a good source for all of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIKFqUEI4U0

Hamsterchops

the purple tin wrote: »

There was one theory that the tic tac UFO is a top-secret craft belonging to US military.
If that's true they have really been keeping us in the dark. It had no visible engine or means of propulsion, no wings, moved super-fast, and hovered completely still in strong winds, produced no heat, no exhaust fumes ect.

It would have to be anti-gravity technology and really, really advanced. If it is man-made then they have gone way ahead of anything we could have imagined.
Even our space programs are still using more or less victorian technology, like.

Good points well made...
Would like some more videos though, apart from those poor quality little "tic tac" snippets we've all seen.

_Brian

With the projected number of planets with life estimates so high it would be no surprise that thousands would have civilisations massively ahead of our own.
Why wouldn’t they observe us as a sort of living history lesson or sociology experiment.

Wasn’t there a Star Trek episode specifically about that happening.

No different to humans spending months in the jungle observing chimpanzee groups.

If there were a backwards civilisation on the moon you can bet we would be endlessly observing them.

Maybe we’re a sort of Truman show for them.

Butson

There is no way this stuff belongs to the US Military, or any military.
It would be such a leap in technology behind anything we have ever seen. Why are Nasa still using rocket launchers to go to space?

Why did the US military, when going in to capture / kill their number one target (Bin Ladin) use helicopters, one of which crashed? This was 7 years after the tic tac video.

Watching Unidentified Season 2 on the History Channel at the moment. This stuff is going on all the time. The Tic Tac video is only one of many, which they hope will be released.

the purple tin

Butson wrote: »

There is no way this stuff belongs to the US Military, or any military.
It would be such a leap in technology behind anything we have ever seen. Why are Nasa still using rocket launchers to go to space?

Why did the US military, when going in to capture / kill their number one target (Bin Ladin) use helicopters, one of which crashed? This was 7 years after the tic tac video.

Watching Unidentified Season 2 on the History Channel at the moment. This stuff is going on all the time. The Tic Tac video is only one of many, which they hope will be released.

One reason people reckon is security. Free energy could totally change the planet but it also has the potential to be very destructive if it were used as a weapon.
Another reason is the fossil fuel cartel have become so rich and powerful and they are not willing to just give all that up.
Third reason is they can't make money off it like they can with normal elecrticity, you can't meter it and sell it.


Even with standard weapons the world's superpowers are very cloak and dagger. I read about some new plane the Americans had built, radical new design, very hush-hush. When US got involved in Bosnia, some of them wanted to use the plane in the war but the high ups wouldn't let them, they were paranoid about anyone seeing it, or shooting it down and capturing it. Same again with the first Gulf war, and again with the second.

The warplane can't be used in a war because their enemies might get a peek at it :pac: It will probably be obselete soon, if it isn't already, without ever being used.

jmlad2020

the purple tin wrote: »

One reason people reckon is security. Free energy could totally change the planet but it also has the potential to be very destructive if it were used as a weapon.
Another reason is the fossil fuel cartel have become so rich and powerful and they are not willing to just give all that up.
Third reason is they can't make money off it like they can with normal elecrticity, you can't meter it and sell it.


Even with standard weapons the world's superpowers are very cloak and dagger. I read about some new plane the Americans had built, radical new design, very hush-hush. When US got involved in Bosnia, some of them wanted to use the plane in the war but the high ups wouldn't let them, they were paranoid about anyone seeing it, or shooting it down and capturing it. Same again with the first Gulf war, and again with the second.

The warplane can't be used in a war because their enemies might get a peek at it :pac: It will probably be obselete soon, if it isn't already, without ever being used.

Interesting thinking. Free energy has its well known benefits but not many bring up the negatives.

MonkieSocks

bangkok

Butson wrote: »

There is no way this stuff belongs to the US Military, or any military.
It would be such a leap in technology behind anything we have ever seen. Why are Nasa still using rocket launchers to go to space?

Why did the US military, when going in to capture / kill their number one target (Bin Ladin) use helicopters, one of which crashed? This was 7 years after the tic tac video.

Watching Unidentified Season 2 on the History Channel at the moment. This stuff is going on all the time. The Tic Tac video is only one of many, which they hope will be released.

quote from Ben Rich...

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

bnt

bobbyy gee wrote: »

it's like god you believe or you don't believe
or moving statues

Yesh, no, I'd say that's precisely the wrong way to go about it. The term "UFO" starts with "unidentified", and that's all it means: we haven't identified it. In the future we might, but there's a chance we might not, because the universe is so huge and spread out, with light years between stars.

Imagine for a minute that Star Wars was true: that a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, a galactic Empire rose, and fell, and who knows what else happened. The enormous amounts of time and distance involved would almost guarantee that we would never hear about it. It works the other way too: our civilization(s) will rise and fall, all our wars and worries will be resolved - one way or another - and it will all go unnoticed in a universal sense.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Fermi Paradox yet, named after the physicist who once asked "where is everybody?" There are various hypotheses listed in that article for why we haven't been visited yet, or don't know about it if we have,

Psychlops

Reading a book on Triangle UFO's atm by David Marler, really interesting including radar data & eyewitness accounts.

BattleCorp

The universe (both known and unknown) is so vast, it's absolutely unimaginably vast. There has to be other intelligent life out there. It would be very naive for us to think we are the only intelligent life in the universe. So yes, I do think there are little green men flying around out there somewhere. Have they ever come here, who knows, but they're out there.

Hamsterchops

But how would you even go about seeing a UFO?

Liedown on the grass and stare at the sky waiting for something to appear, or sit in the back garden at night looking up at the stars waiting for movement? I've seen nothing so far, and I guess most other people haven't either. Probably just a tiny minority of people worldwide who have witnessed something unidentified (and unexplained) in the sky.

Mullaghteelin

It's a shame this topic can't be discussed without referencing the obligatory 1950s tropes of little green men from Mars and flying saucers
The latest terminolgy used by the Americans is unidentified aerial phenomenon.

bangkok

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But how would you even go about seeing a UFO?

Liedown on the grass and stare at the sky waiting for something to appear, or sit in the back garden at night looking up at the stars waiting for movement? I've seen nothing so far, and I guess most other people haven't either. Probably just a tiny minority of people worldwide who have witnessed something unidentified (and unexplained) in the sky.

pure luck... in my case just going home one night in the car

saabsaab

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But how would you even go about seeing a UFO?

Liedown on the grass and stare at the sky waiting for something to appear, or sit in the back garden at night looking up at the stars waiting for movement? I've seen nothing so far, and I guess most other people haven't either. Probably just a tiny minority of people worldwide who have witnessed something unidentified (and unexplained) in the sky.

I guess it just happens. Not too common but myself and some relations have seen them in the countryside also I fella I knew in ATC.

They are areas where sightings are said to be common. Even in parts of Ireland.

Fuzzyduzzy

Consciousness seems to be the big buzz word in Ufology at the moment. Steven Greer (I know, not a big fan either) really pushes the notion of CE5, which is a series of steps that can bring a sighting of a Ufo to you. Richard Dolan, along with others, has started bringing this up a lot too.

There is a new documentary called The Phenomenon which is well worth a look.

auspicious

The Ariel School Encounter.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqc5tfCgFC8&t=924s

Thomas..

I believe in UFOs anyway

Happened again the other day , some lad ran past me and yelled fukk off

saabsaab

Thomas.. wrote: »

I believe in UFOs anyway

Happened again the other day , some lad ran past me and yelled fukk off

U Ff Off

Psychlops

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles

Fuzzyduzzy

https://youtu.be/DPeiCIfAsx0
Trump asked about the new Pentagon UAP task force today. That taskforce is weeks old, yet he mentions something he only saw two days ago?

Rhys Essien

https://twitter.com/spacedotcom/status/1315656355101831169?s=21

Psychlops

Rhys Essien wrote: »

https://twitter.com/spacedotcom/status/1315656355101831169?s=21

About time, Science funnily enough has always steered clear of this & Skinwalker Ranch.

BattleCorp

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

It's a shame this topic can't be discussed without referencing the obligatory 1950s tropes of little green men from Mars and flying saucers
The latest terminolgy used by the Americans is unidentified aerial phenomenon.

*Checks thread title.

Yep, ok to talk about flying saucers.

Hamsterchops

Rhys Essien wrote: »

https://twitter.com/spacedotcom/status/1315656355101831169?s=21

I'm beginning to wonder if these two or three grainy videos from the US Navy are the only verified sightings ever? I mean why don't we see many verified videos from many decades, why just these two or three B&W poor quality videos from the early 2000s :cool:

I want more, and I want good quality colour video.

I want to believe.