Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

unhappys10

Rhys Essien wrote: »

David Fravor (the US airforce pilot who spotted the tictac ufo) does a very in depth podcast with the man who will probably take over from Joe Rogan on YouTube, Lex Fridman.

Great interview and you could listen to Fravor all day. Sound guy and very inspiring to say the least.

https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E

steddyeddy

I sometimes worm at Los Alamos and I'm fairly certain Bob did work there. Listen some of his story is a bit fishy such as the claim he went to MIT. However, Los Alamos certainly denied he worked there until his name was found in the phone book and a local newspaper descried him as a staff physicist. You don't get to that position without at least a master's degree.

People have also obtained his pay slips for the department of Naval intelligence which suggests he did work on classified projects.

Psychlops

Rhys Essien wrote: »

David Fravor (the US Navy pilot who spotted the tictac ufo) does a very in depth podcast with the man who will probably take over from Joe Rogan on YouTube, Lex Fridman.

Great interview and you could listen to Fravor all day. Sound guy and very inspiring to say the least.

https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E

FYP

igCorcaigh

Don't know where to post this, but...

https://twitter.com/tectonic/status/1305223811449544704?s=19

Larbre34

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Watched the documentary about Lazar by Jeremy Corbell recently and the thing that makes him so believable is that he really doesn't give a fcuk wether you believe him or not!

I agree with the above, Corbell was the wrong man for that documentary.

But, Lazar is believable enough. He has emerging evidence on his side.

The way I see his story is:

Even if we don't all as regular people understand Einstein's theories in detail, we can accept that space and time are a mesh, a combined fabric. We can accept that the nature of gravity is yet to be fully understood and that it acts as a sort of well or warp in spacetime. We can also accept that Einstein reaches his limits with the limit of speed being the speed of light.

Now, all those being our human understanding, we can't figure out how to travel between star systems without it taking 70 millenia. So what do we need? A propulsion system that exactly overcomes, almost to the letter, Einstein's theories. Which is what Lazar demonstrates, precisely. A very simple setup that exactly meets human understanding.

Either Einstein really is the greatest genius in the history of the Universe and every advanced civilisation has overcome the same limits in the same way, or thats a bit too convenient.

the purple tin

A lot of people say aliens can't exist or they would have visited us and made themselves known by now.
Take a look around, we are the most territorial, violent, irrational, homicidal creature on this planet.
Why on earth would any advanced race in their right mind want to come anywhere near us?
It would be like me shaking a wasps nest and shouting 'hello! is anyone in there?'.

unhappys10

the purple tin wrote: »

A lot of people say aliens can't exist or they would have visited us and made themselves known by now.
Take a look around, we are the most territorial, violent, irrational, homicidal creature on this planet.
Why on earth would any advanced race in their right mind want to come anywhere near us?
It would be like me shaking a wasps nest and shouting 'hello! is anyone in there?'.

Don't agree with the analogy, if you shook a wasps nest they could do serious harm or even kill you.

If there is someone out there advanced enough to get here we'd be less than an annoying buzzing fly to them when it comes to trying to hurt them or defend ourselves.

I'm sure we're very interesting to them. Imagine if we could somehow monitor a group of neanderthals just to see what they get up to, it'd be like looking at our past selves (I know we aren't descended from neanderthals).

Maybe where they are now is where we're heading and it's a way of them to see living history.

Hamsterchops

So I think there is something out there we don't know about or understand, but it's terrestrial and not extra terrestrial, some atmospheric phenomenon or entity that has always shared the plant with us, but is mostly hidden and not on our radar. I have no Idea what it is but I suspect that they are not from other planets....

Something along the lines of ball lightening, another similar phenomenon, possibly intelligent?

EmmetSpiceland

Hamsterchops wrote: »

So I think there is something out there we don't know about or understand, but it's terrestrial and not extra terrestrial, some atmospheric phenomenon or entity that has always shared the plant with us, but is mostly hidden and not on our radar. I have no Idea what it is but I suspect that they are not from other planets....

Something along the lines of ball lightening, another similar phenomenon, possibly intelligent?

Remember those rod yokes? They were a “thing” for awhile. Then it turned out they were just moths, and other winged creatures, filmed at a certain speed.

Aliens aren’t “visiting” our planet. Not say they’re not out there, just saying they ain’t anywhere near us.

People seeing “flying saucers” are seeing experimental military craft, Chinese lanterns, birds or natural phenomenon.

AllForIt

the purple tin wrote: »

A lot of people say aliens can't exist or they would have visited us and made themselves known by now.
Take a look around, we are the most territorial, violent, irrational, homicidal creature on this planet.
Why on earth would any advanced race in their right mind want to come anywhere near us?
It would be like me shaking a wasps nest and shouting 'hello! is anyone in there?'.

Well they'd have to come here first before they'd know anything about us.
And anyway they might not mind about any of that if the're just coming to eat us.

the purple tin

AllForIt wrote: »

Well they'd have to come here first before they'd know anything about us.
And anyway they might not mind about any of that if the're just coming to eat us.

They could have been watching our old TV broadcasts for years. By the time they get round to Keeping up with the Kardashians, Chelsea and Essex and all that reality show BS they will want to wipe us out for sure

bangkok

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Remember those rod yokes? They were a “thing” for awhile. Then it turned out they were just moths, and other winged creatures, filmed at a certain speed.

Aliens aren’t “visiting” our planet. Not say they’re not out there, just saying they ain’t anywhere near us.

People seeing “flying saucers” are seeing experimental military craft, Chinese lanterns, birds or natural phenomenon.

how could you possibly even know this?!

unhappys10

bangkok wrote: »

how could you possibly even know this?!

They don't, no one does. Always think it's very silly to come out with an opinion one way or the other. No one knows either way for sure.

I think to say anything seen is solely of our own making is silly.
Just over 100 years ago we weren't able to fly, so to go from the Wright brothers craft to what people are possibly seeing now is impossible imo without some sort of help, interference or stumbling upon something we could try to backward engineer.

steddyeddy

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Remember those rod yokes? They were a “thing” for awhile. Then it turned out they were just moths, and other winged creatures, filmed at a certain speed.

Aliens aren’t “visiting” our planet. Not say they’re not out there, just saying they ain’t anywhere near us.

People seeing “flying saucers” are seeing experimental military craft, Chinese lanterns, birds or natural phenomenon.

No offence Emmet but I'll take the word of someone like commander David Fravor over yourself.

The man has over 4000 hours flight time and him, along with 5 other pilots seen an unidentified object perform aerodynamic feats that no conventional aircraft can accomplish. The have FLIR footage of the object and it was tracked on radar.

The US airforce can't seem to explain it in terms of your suggestions so I don't know why we should accept them.

Fravor's account:

“Well, we’ve got a real-world vector for you,” the radio operator said, according to Commander Fravor. For two weeks, the operator said, the Princeton had been tracking mysterious aircraft. The objects appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up.

Hovering 50 feet above the churn was an aircraft of some kind — whitish — that was around 40 feet long and oval in shape. The craft was jumping around erratically, staying over the wave disturbance but not moving in any specific direction, Commander Fravor said. The disturbance looked like frothy waves and foam, as if the water were boiling.

But then the object peeled away. “It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen,” he said in the interview. He was, he said, “pretty weirded out.”
The two fighter jets then conferred with the operations officer on the Princeton and were told to head to a rendezvous point 60 miles away, called the cap point, in aviation parlance.

They were en route and closing in when the Princeton radioed again. Radar had again picked up the strange aircraft.

“We were at least 40 miles away, and in less than a minute this thing was already at our cap point,” Commander Fravor, who has since retired from the Navy, said in the interview.

unhappys10

steddyeddy wrote: »

No offence Emmet but I'll take the word of someone like commander David Fravor over yourself.

The man has over 4000 hours flight time and him, along with 5 other pilots seen an unidentified object perform aerodynamic feats that no conventional aircraft can accomplish. The have FLIR footage of the object and it was tracked on radar.

The US airforce can't seem to explain it in terms of your suggestions so I don't know why we should accept them.

Would love to see the bird that performs those manoevers :pac:

steddyeddy

unhappys10 wrote: »

Would love to see the bird that performs those manoevers :pac:

Lex Fridman interviewed Fravor (you can see it a few posts above) and asked him to reply to the skeptics view that this was a bird, mass hallucination (6 pilots and multiple radar operators) or Fravor misreading the FLIR (Forward-looking infrared
) readings.

Mick West, prominent skeptic and video games engineer is the one who comes up with these theories. I don't know how Fravor kept so calm when rebutting these but as he rightly pointed out, how can someone who's never operated these systems say that trained pilots are misreading their equipment?

Rhys Essien

That lad Mick West shouldn't have even been entertained. To suggest to a military pilot of 20 years that he might have seen a bird or an odd cloud is laughable.

the purple tin

Rhys Essien wrote: »

That lad Mick West shouldn't have even been entertained. To suggest to a military pilot of 20 years that he might have seen a bird or an odd cloud is laughable.

He sounds like a total idiot.

steddyeddy

Rhys Essien wrote: »

That lad Mick West shouldn't have even been entertained. To suggest to a military pilot of 20 years that he might have seen a bird or an odd cloud is laughable.

Fravor stated that the object, whatever it was had lower temperature readings than the sea. It couldn't have been a bird.

steddyeddy

the purple tin wrote: »

He sounds like a total idiot.

The problem with the sceptic community is that they often wade into areas where they have no background to argue against.

EmmetSpiceland

Right lads, will leave you “to it”. God is an astronaut, Oz is over the rainbow, and Midian is where the monsters live. And all that.

Give my regards to Giorgio Tsoukalos and Agent Mulder!

monkeysnapper

I watched a documentary a few years ago called " I know what I saw"

It was people with credibility talking about things they saw ... i thought it was interesting and well worth a look ....

Do I believe in ALIENS / UFOs???? The honest truth is I meet people every day I'm not sure are on this planet.... who knows ..

Update.....

https://youtu.be/oit3SSxJM4c

There you go....knock yourselves out

The Nal

The universe is so big its almost impossible for there not to be life.

The problem is the time it takes to travel. The nearest planet to us which is capable of supporting life is anywhere from 4 to 13 light years away. Thats a minimum of traveling 4 years at the speed of light to get here. Not sure how these aliens could sustain that trip. Even if they could travel at light speed. Food, fuel, health etc. Just can't see it.

unhappys10

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Right lads, will leave you “to it”. God is an astronaut, Oz is over the rainbow, and Midian is where the monsters live. And all that.

Give my regards to Giorgio Tsoukalos and Agent Mulder!

Called out on talking scutter and that's the best you can come up with.
If the aliens do actually perform anal probes, I'll send them your way.

unhappys10

The Nal wrote: »

The universe is so big its almost impossible for there not to be life.

The problem is the time it takes to travel. The nearest planet to us which is capable of supporting life is anywhere from 4 to 13 light years away. Thats a minimum of traveling 4 years at the speed of light to get here. Not sure how these aliens could sustain that trip. Even if they could travel at light speed. Food, fuel, health etc. Just can't see it.

Maybe it's like flying a lad from the stone age from Ireland to Australia in a day. He wouldn't understand how it's done.
As far as we know speed of light travel would take a lot of energy and a long time. We have no clue what technological advances may have been made by civilisations far more advanced than us.
Wormholes, interdimensional travel, could be anything.

I'll refrain from guessing on how they may travel and applying our current (very basic) level of technology for fear of being totally wrong.

bangkok

The Nal wrote: »

The universe is so big its almost impossible for there not to be life.

The problem is the time it takes to travel. The nearest planet to us which is capable of supporting life is anywhere from 4 to 13 light years away. Thats a minimum of traveling 4 years at the speed of light to get here. Not sure how these aliens could sustain that trip. Even if they could travel at light speed. Food, fuel, health etc. Just can't see it.

maybe they can bend space and time and "pop" to wherever they need to go by using a wormhole.

EmmetSpiceland

unhappys10 wrote: »

Called out on talking scutter and that's the best you can come up with.
If the aliens do actually perform anal probes, I'll send them your way.

The Nal

unhappys10 wrote: »

Maybe it's like flying a lad from the stone age from Ireland to Australia in a day. He wouldn't understand how it's done.
As far as we know speed of light travel would take a lot of energy and a long time. We have no clue what technological advances may have been made by civilisations far more advanced than us.
Wormholes, interdimensional travel, could be anything.

I'll refrain from guessing on how they may travel and applying our current (very basic) level of technology for fear of being totally wrong.

bangkok wrote: »

maybe they can bend space and time and "pop" to wherever they need to go by using a wormhole.

Entirely possible considering that there may have been life on other planets billions of years before earth. But I doubt they'd be flying around in small saucer shaped ships if they had sussed out wormholes and were capable of interdimensional travel.

Timberrrrrrrr

On this thread

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058113092/1

There is a discussion going on, It's claimed there may be evidence of microbial life on Venus. If true then for the first time in history it will be proven that we are not the only living things in this star system never mind our Universe or Galaxy.

bangkok

The Nal wrote: »

Entirely possible considering that there may have been life on other planets billions of years before earth. But I doubt they'd be flying around in small saucer shaped ships if they had sussed out wormholes and were capable of interdimensional travel.

why not? there seems to be a big variance in the type of ufos being reported, some are huge, others carry 3-4 "beings", when Travis Walton was abducted he said he was taken aboard a small craft but when he came around he seen lots of craft as if he were in a giant craft

SPDUB

If the aliens do actually perform anal probes, I'll send them your way.

It mightn't be entirely their own idea

the purple tin

The Nal wrote: »

Entirely possible considering that there may have been life on other planets billions of years before earth. But I doubt they'd be flying around in small saucer shaped ships if they had sussed out wormholes and were capable of interdimensional travel.

They could be unmanned craft. We are sending out probes into space to explore so why shouldn't they?
An advanced race would have super advanced computers and robots to help map space for them and investigate other worlds.
Also you are thinking of them in terms of a human: 'they wouldn't do x or y because I wouldn't do it'.
They might be absolutely nothing like us and so could do things that we find odd or irrational. They might feel the same way about us.

Butson

Think about it.
Turn on the TV any evening, watch a nature documentary. Do the animals in that understand how or why we are watching / studying them?
We even knock them out at times, give them an injection to help them on their way. We use drones to capture footage.

What if UFOs are drones? The tic tac ufo dropped from 60,000 feet to 5 feet in less than a second.

AMKC

jaxxx wrote: »

This. UFO doesn't necessarily have to mean alien in origin. Plenty of things out there that we, the general public, don't know about. That's not conspiracy, that's just common sense. Of course there are government projects, private projects, etc that are purposefully kept top secret.

That being said, if there are actually any species alien to planet Earth reading this right now, give me a call please cos I don't relate to Homo sapiens at all! Think I'm probably from Uranus. Just don't abduct me or probe me anally or anything like that, that's all I ask! I just want to be friends!!

See. I never got this. If an alien were to abduct a person why they hell would it want to probe that persons anus?

Mickeroo

AMKC wrote: »

See. I never got this. If an alien were to abduct a person why they hell would it want to probe that persons anus?

Everyone knows aliens are perverts.

Rothko

unhappys10 wrote: »

Called out on talking scutter and that's the best you can come up with.
If the aliens do actually perform anal probes, I'll send them your way.

That poster really doesn't like anyone disagreeing with him.

unhappys10

Rothko wrote: »

That poster really doesn't like anyone disagreeing with him.

They really need to think before they speak then, people tend to disagree with BS

EmmetSpiceland

What is it with geeks and aliens? I mean, really? Aliens.

You lot honestly believe that aliens “beings” are zooming about our skies, anally probing yokels, leaving circles in crops and performing “surgery” on cattle?

Get real, lads. Open the curtains, it’s a lovely sunny day outside. Go for a walk, you’ll feel better for it.

bangkok

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

What is it with geeks and aliens? I mean, really? Aliens.

You lot honestly believe that aliens “beings” are zooming about our skies, anally probing yokels, leaving circles in crops and performing “surgery” on cattle?

Get real, lads. Open the curtains, it’s a lovely sunny day outside. Go for a walk, you’ll feel better for it.

dont think i seen one poster saying that..


think you are the one that needs to get real, UFO's flying about Nuclear weapons bases, outmaneuvering the best aircraft we have, flying around our skies unchallenged...

you said last night you would leave us to it, but yet you still are here posting sly remarks. i think its you that needs to go out for a walk

Rothko

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

What is it with geeks and aliens? I mean, really? Aliens.

You lot honestly believe that aliens “beings” are zooming about our skies, anally probing yokels, leaving circles in crops and performing “surgery” on cattle?

Get real, lads. Open the curtains, it’s a lovely sunny day outside. Go for a walk, you’ll feel better for it.

Not one single person has said that. You're just losing the plot because someone holds the opinion of an expert in higher regard than yours.

Timberrrrrrrr

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

What is it with geeks and aliens? I mean, really? Aliens.

You lot honestly believe that aliens “beings” are zooming about our skies, anally probing yokels, leaving circles in crops and performing “surgery” on cattle?

Get real, lads. Open the curtains, it’s a lovely sunny day outside. Go for a walk, you’ll feel better for it.

Meanwhile you are over in the feed back thread whinging about people posting ****e in AH :rolleyes:

completedit

We try to explain everything away with rationalism now. Empiricism is the new religion. No wonder is left. It's horrendous what we're doing to our species. Religion, spirituality, wondering about the unknown propelled us to great heights; now if you dare ponder or imagine you are stigmatized and laughed at.

steddyeddy

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Well you laugh E but you're not doing much different than the people saying they're definitely aliens. You're saying what they definitely are and anyone who disagrees is crazy.

The pilots I referred to described them as unidentified aerial vehicles of unknown origin. What you're doing is the opposite of science. You're coming to a conclusion before looking at the facts and changing the facts to suit your conclusion.

o1s1n

completedit wrote: »

We try to explain everything away with rationalism now. Empiricism is the new religion. No wonder is left. It's horrendous what we're doing to our species. Religion, spirituality, wondering about the unknown propelled us to great heights; now if you dare ponder or imagine you are stigmatized and laughed at.

If you can explain something with empiricism then it is absolutely foolish to explain it with 'wonder' or 'the unknown' - if it's observable and knowable then there is no magic.

Of all the unexplained things which have become explained throughout the ages, the answer has never been 'magic'.

I have plenty of wonder about the unknown and universe in general, absolutely love it and pondering what might be.

What I don't do, however, is try to place known things into 'the unknown'. If we can explain them with logic then that's that, it's not unknown, it's not magic.

nthclare

o1s1n wrote: »

If you can explain something with empiricism then it is absolutely foolish to explain it with 'wonder' or 'the unknown' - if it's observable and knowable then there is no magic.

Of all the unexplained things which have become explained throughout the ages, the answer has never been 'magic'.

I have plenty of wonder about the unknown and universe in general, absolutely love it and pondering what might be.

What I don't do, however, is try to place known things into 'the unknown'. If we can explain them with logic then that's that, it's not unknown, it's not magic.

Creativity is the only answer to that, art, literature, movie's... graphic novels...

JohnnyFlash

I’d say some of the absolutely hideous looking mutants who post on Boards definitely have alien blood in them.

Godeatsboogers

I'd say aliens exist, do they come here and fly in our skies for some reason? Maybe, that's what we do with uncontacted tribes. I mean, were on a massive rock gravitating around a massive ball of gas thats on fire, fking miles away in a galaxy in an ever expanding universe that contains approximately 100 billion galaxies, as far as aliens are concerned, the statistics, if correct, suggest that they're out there somewhere, on some planet.

EmmetSpiceland

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well you laugh E but you're not doing much different than the people saying they're definitely aliens. You're saying what they definitely are and anyone who disagrees is crazy.

The pilots I referred to described them as unidentified aerial vehicles of unknown origin. What you're doing is the opposite of science. You're coming to a conclusion before looking at the facts and changing the facts to suit your conclusion.

Come on now, S, you can’t really believe it’s aliens from some extra-solar planet “whizzing” about our skies? You’re always going on about being a scientist, surely you view this Fortean nonsense as a bit of fun, not to be taken seriously.

I mean, we’re not talking about, intelligent, life existing in far flung corners of the galaxy here, that’s fine but the sci-fi stuff can’t be taken too seriously.

I’ve no doubt your pilot saw something, no reason to suggest he didn’t, but to call it alien and then say “that’s that” is just insane. Aliens has to be the least likely explanation but, then again, it seems to be the easiest.

o1s1n

Godeatsboogers wrote: »

I'd say aliens exist, do they come here and fly in our skies for some reason? Maybe, that's what we do with uncontacted tribes. I mean, were on a massive rock gravitating around a massive ball of gas thats on fire, fking miles away in a galaxy in an ever expanding universe that contains approximately 100 billion galaxies, as far as aliens are concerned, the statistics, if correct, suggest that they're out there somewhere, on some planet.

What I always find most improbable about it is the age of the universe.

You can multiple out probability by the chances of X,Y and Z other lifeforms existing existing due to the billions of galaxies, it makes sense.

But that doesn't mean they exist now, with us. They might have existed billions of years ago. Kind of sad in a way.

bangkok

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Come on now, S, you can’t really believe it’s aliens from some extra-solar planet “whizzing” about our skies? You’re always going on about being a scientist, surely you view this Fortean nonsense as a bit of fun, not to be taken seriously.

I mean, we’re not talking about, intelligent, life existing in far flung corners of the galaxy here, that’s fine but the sci-fi stuff can’t be taken too seriously.

I’ve no doubt your pilot saw something, no reason to suggest he didn’t, but to call it alien and then say “that’s that” is just insane. Aliens has to be the least likely explanation but, then again, it seems to be the easiest.

humans are currently driving a vehicle around mars, we've been to the moon, sent probes to venus, jupitur saturn, crashed a probe into a passing comet, in 200 years we will probably be walking or flying around most of the planets in the solar system, in 1000 years, we will probably be living on other planets, why is it so implausible to you that aliens are currently fling around the earth?!