Sunday Independent - Sinn Fein

Truthvader

Banner fights back wrote: »

On the money smurgen. It was deeply disturbing to see the indo resort to such tactics to influence the outcome of the general election. They used victims of IRA violence as some kind of pawns so to benefit FG and attack Sinn Fein.

I wonder did FG insiders at the very least had some knowledge of what the Indo/Sindo axis were concucting up.

For those promoting the Indo's anti SF agenda and anti left in general, please remember that they never hold the likes of failed ministers to account like Eoghan Murphy in housing, Michael Creed in not supporting the farmers and agriculture in general, Joe McHugh with his lack of compassion with Leaving cert students and education. And don't get me started on the Indo/Sindo axis indulgence of Leo.

Failed Ministers?? Eoghan was a minister for about two years and "failed" to build a million houses. What solution do Sinn Fein have? Dessie Ellis and his murderous box of tricks.? Did you actially say "lack of compassion"? Simply dont know where to start with Sinn Fein/ IRA's record on "compassion." Bewildering.

Mad_maxx

LuasSimon wrote: »

The Sunday independent for decades has vilified Sinn Fein and anyone remotely sympathetic to the nationalist people of the 6 counties , today there’s. a very extensive interview with Mary Lou Donald . Strange times , clearly the new editor Alan English has a more inclusive philosophy that previous editors . The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not .

The Sunday independent like many papers is tanking in the sales world but it has alienated anyone with a nationalist or indeed catholic view over the years , be interesting to see can the paper reach out to a new readership audience or are all papers goosed

i dont vote SF or for any other marxist party but the SINDO has been absurd in its hysterical attitude towards SF for years now

eoghan harris will surely walk now ( fingers crossed )

Mad_maxx

Danzy wrote: »

The Sindo have always had an obsession with SF, they could be mentioned in a Sports section the TV review, anywhere.

It used be very well written and have some excellent contributions.

That is no longer the case, hasn't been for years.

The uniquely vile personality that was Aengus Fanning, his ex wife Anne, her ex Eoghan and up to 4 of their offspring write, have written for the paper.

It's been a joke rag for a long time.

alan ruddock was a decent writer , died young

declan lynch is a warm and funny writer , he doesnt write about politics however

havent bought it in ten years

Danzy

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i dont vote SF or for any other marxist party but the SINDO has been absurd in its hysterical attitude towards SF for years now

eoghan harris will surely walk now ( fingers crossed )

He is a parody, very eloquent, very intelligent but absolutely loolah.

piplip87

Zebra3 wrote: »

Strange.

Have never seen the Indo hold FF/FG/Lab/PDs/Greens to account for American forces using Ireland as military base for their terrorism.

Members of the US government or US forces are not trying to win votes in Ireland. The same cannot be said for Provos.

Imagine Martin Ferris as minister of defence or Pauline Tully minister for justice ? These people supported an organisation that killed Gardai and prison officers.

Banner fights back

Danzy wrote: »

He is a parody, very eloquent, very intelligent but absolutely loolah.

Anyone and that includes Eoghan Harris who continues to support Britain and in particular BJ and his gang of far right cronies in the whole Brexit debacle should really just get a hike. But when it comes from an Irish citizen!!!

However the laughable Sindo continues to give right wing columnists like E Harris the platform to write absolute bs. That to me just shows how standards have really fallen off the charts style in the Indo/Sindo axis.

What did E Harris say yesterday, by the way that might lose him his job. Sadly I wouldn't hold breath for the type of accountability that is completely non existent for journalists in that right wing rag of a paper.

Field east

supremenovice wrote: »

The Sindo is a staunch Fianna Fail paper with Jody Corcoran leading the way, championing Mícheal Martin like hes the next Barack Obama. He absolutely dispises Varadker. Eilis O Hanlon another who doesnt hide her disdain for the government. Eoghan Harris is completely against Sinners though. I cant think of one of their columnists who are balanced.

And where are , for example, gene Kerrigan and Brendan o connor in all of this?

Bonniedog

SF's dilemma is that having accepted partition and agreed to run NI for the Brits, while at the same time embracing every luuvie virtue signalling position under the sun, that even becoming the largest party in % terms has not gotten them into coalition!

I am torn between wanting to see them in govt as it would expose them for the frauds they are - Just as their inept running of the north for the best part of 20 years has - and wishing them to be kept in the cold where they will fade once the band wagon jumpers realise they backed the wrong horse for a career.

The Belfast Brigade/former Army Council which has to now run the show is aging and can't replenish itself with anyone who carries the same fear factor. As with the stickies when that happens, shinners will go completely house trained and probably split as the unlikely possibility of a beating to a bloody pulp or worse fades, and likes of those who joined in last few years leave for whatever party currently looks like home for rather dim whingy types.

ILoveYourVibes

LuasSimon wrote: »

The Sunday independent for decades has vilified Sinn Fein and anyone remotely sympathetic to the nationalist people of the 6 counties , today there’s. a very extensive interview with Mary Lou Donald . Strange times , clearly the new editor Alan English has a more inclusive philosophy that previous editors . The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not .

The Sunday independent like many papers is tanking in the sales world but it has alienated anyone with a nationalist or indeed catholic view over the years , be interesting to see can the paper reach out to a new readership audience or are all papers goosed

Who has catholic views right now?

All catholic publications are funded by the church they don't actually get sales.

Truthvader

Bonniedog wrote: »

SF's dilemma is that having accepted partition and agreed to run NI for the Brits, while at the same time embracing every luuvie virtue signalling position under the sun, that even becoming the largest party in % terms has not gotten them into coalition!

I am torn between wanting to see them in govt as it would expose them for the frauds they are - Just as their inept running of the north for the best part of 20 years has - and wishing them to be kept in the cold where they will fade once the band wagon jumpers realise they backed the wrong horse for a career.

The Belfast Brigade/former Army Council which has to now run the show is aging and can't replenish itself with anyone who carries the same fear factor. As with the stickies when that happens, shinners will go completely house trained and probably split as the unlikely possibility of a beating to a bloody pulp or worse fades, and likes of those who joined in last few years leave for whatever party currently looks like home for rather dim whingy types.

Imagine the neaderthal Angus O'Snodaigh or poor Chris Andrews trying to formulate policy on covid 19, housing, transport infrastructure or whatever. Simply lacking in basic intelligence.

jmayo

LuasSimon wrote: »

The Sunday independent for decades has vilified Sinn Fein and anyone remotely sympathetic to the nationalist people of the 6 counties , today there’s. a very extensive interview with Mary Lou Donald . Strange times , clearly the new editor Alan English has a more inclusive philosophy that previous editors . The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not .

The Sunday independent like many papers is tanking in the sales world but it has alienated anyone with a nationalist or indeed catholic view over the years , be interesting to see can the paper reach out to a new readership audience or are all papers goosed

Why do you assume that one only cares about Nationalists in Northern Ireland if you are sinn fein supporter ?

Ever hear of Gerry Fitt (the early years), John Hume, Seamus Mallon ?
You know guys that led civil rights movement and didn't become a mouthpiece for murderers.
Guys that tried to bring peace to NI long before Jarry and the lads climbed on board.

I am tired of this type of shyte that shinners have perpetrated for years that one is only a Irish republican if one is a shinner and otherwise one is a West Brit.

And FFS stop reading or worrying about what the independent papers write about.
They are mouthpieces for various interests, they have fook all journalistic integrity now.
And that other rag the Irish Times is more interested in virtue signalling and writing fluff pieces about young returning emigrants finding Ireland is not New York.

FVP3

I have no time for Sinn Fein, but the Independent has come across as an Irish Daily Telegraph with regards to the North and nationalism/unionism for a few decades now. I believe they vilified John Hume for even starting the peace process. the domination of Eoghan Harris, Ellis O'Hanlon et al is probably why the government misjudged the RIC commemoration ( was that really this year?).


Obviously they were pretty hopeless on Dennis O'Brien as well.

FVP3

Truthvader wrote: »

Imagine the neaderthal Angus O'Snodaigh or poor Chris Andrews trying to formulate policy on covid 19, housing, transport infrastructure or whatever. Simply lacking in basic intelligence.

All politicians in the Western world are pretty dumb right now, which is why Putin and the Chinese in particular are running rings around them. Even somebody like Merkel is merely competent. Compare any of them to the leaders post war until the 90s.

Theres no great intelligence in FG either, although the handled the crisis ok I suppose.

Mad_maxx

Truthvader wrote: »

Errrrrr.... No loyalist party has 25% of the vote here. Same thug element as Sinn Fein though; gestated on entitlement and vindictive tribal hatred

heard that nonesense before

unionists didnt need to vote for paramilitaries , the state forces were better armed than the IRA ever were , why would they look to the likes of the UVF politically ?

Mad_maxx

Banner fights back wrote: »

On the money smurgen. It was deeply disturbing to see the indo resort to such tactics to influence the outcome of the general election. They used victims of IRA violence as some kind of pawns so to benefit FG and attack Sinn Fein.

I wonder did FG insiders at the very least had some knowledge of what the Indo/Sindo axis were concucting up.

For those promoting the Indo's anti SF agenda and anti left in general, please remember that they never hold the likes of failed ministers to account like Eoghan Murphy in housing, Michael Creed in not supporting the farmers and agriculture in general, Joe McHugh with his lack of compassion with Leaving cert students and education. And don't get me started on the Indo/Sindo axis indulgence of Leo.

cranks like eoghan harris increase support for SF so the shinners should be hoping the likes of that dingbat are kept on

i dont and wont SF or any marxist party but the SINDO is a bad joke when it comes to SF

the irish media in general has been far too soft on unionism down the years , its not just the RDE and eoghan harris of this world

Mad_maxx

Banner fights back wrote: »

Anyone and that includes Eoghan Harris who continues to support Britain and in particular BJ and his gang of far right cronies in the whole Brexit debacle should really just get a hike. But when it comes from an Irish citizen!!!

However the laughable Sindo continues to give right wing columnists like E Harris the platform to write absolute bs. That to me just shows how standards have really fallen off the charts style in the Indo/Sindo axis.

What did E Harris say yesterday, by the way that might lose him his job. Sadly I wouldn't hold breath for the type of accountability that is completely non existent for journalists in that right wing rag of a paper.

eoghan harris isnt right wing , hes just barking mad

FVP3

Mad_maxx wrote: »

eoghan harris isnt right wing , hes just barking mad

He argued that we bullied the British on Brexit and Leo Varadkar, the gay half Indian chap who is running the country, was acting like an Irish nationalist extremist.

Also by supporting a backstop, which was supported by the EU and was in compliance with the GFA, Ireland was stoking the fans of extreme republicanism. this kind of stuff shouldn't even be on a online blog. It's insane.

Redgirl82

Not many reviews of the actual interview? so I guess it was fairly mundane?

Bonniedog

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i dont and wont SF or any marxist party

In what universe are SF Marxist

They are not even socialists in the real sense.

They are a middle of the road liberal social democratic party that on most key issues; abortion, EU, immigration, transgenderism, crime, ethnicity bullsh1t etc are no different to FG, FF, Labour, SDs. Antipathy to them at this stage is based on history, electoral fears and a certain lingering snobbery.

SF are only left win in the sense that the US Democrats are left wing.

maccored

piplip87 wrote: »

The Independent is against SF because members of SF have participated in the slaughter of innocent people on this island and in the UK.

They then try to justify it by saying because people were denied civil rights it entitles them to slaughter innocent people.

Nothing justifies killing innocent people. The Irish media have every right to to keep bringing this up until every last Provo is rotting in hell with that Terrorist Sands....

Once SF stop running candidates who were Terrorists and tried to overthrow the state then they can be treated like other parties.

yeah yeah, running round just slaughtering people they were.

maccored

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i dont and wont SF or any marxist party

dont vote for anyone if you dont know what they are politically. SF certainly arent marxist (though the stickies kind of were - ish)

blanch152

maccored wrote: »

yeah yeah, running round just slaughtering people they were.

Well, yes, that is what the IRA did, fully supported by Sinn Fein, as Mary-Lou made clear at the weekend.

mariaalice

I could be completely wrong but to me there was a bit of an element of class and a bit of outsider versus insider in the coverage of SF by the Independent.

Edgware

The poor Shinners are all upset again. They cant understand why everyone doesnt love them.
Anyway they can have five years roaring across at the new Government to keep them happy

McMurphy

Edgware wrote: »

The poor Shinners are all upset again. They cant understand why everyone doesnt love them.
Anyway they can have five years roaring across at the new Government to keep them happy

New government?

If I'm not mistaken there's a lot of electioneering going on atm, I see no sign that FF/G and the greens have reached any major progress and FF still have to get a coalition approved by vote.

There's going to be a new election before a new govt I reckon.

padd b1975

McMurphy wrote: »

New government?

If I'm not mistaken there's a lot of electioneering going on atm, I see no sign that FF/G and the greens have reached any major progress and FF still have to get a coalition approved by vote.

There's going to be a new election before a new govt I reckon.

How's Mary Lou getting on with her own government formation?

McMurphy

padd b1975 wrote: »

How's Mary Lou getting on with her own government formation?

She seems to be making the same progress as the rest of them are, despite leo relishing opposition.

**Scratches beard**

Truthvader

Bonniedog wrote: »

In what universe are SF Marxist

They are not even socialists in the real sense.

They are a middle of the road liberal social democratic party that on most key issues; abortion, EU, immigration, transgenderism, crime, ethnicity bullsh1t etc are no different to FG, FF, Labour, SDs. Antipathy to them at this stage is based on history, electoral fears and a certain lingering snobbery.

SF are only left win in the sense that the US Democrats are left wing.

Gaddamn those snobs and their lingering fears. Why cant they just get over it? Sinn Fein have vision of a joyful Gaelic United Ireland where we just vote for more money forever and everything is free but they keep mentioning the endless killing, the maiming of children, mindless bombing, dead Guards the protection rackets and diesel laundering Gaddammmn those sobs

Edgware

McMurphy wrote: »

New government?

If I'm not mistaken there's a lot of electioneering going on atm, I see no sign that FF/G and the greens have reached any major progress and FF still have to get a coalition approved by vote.

There's going to be a new election before a new govt I reckon.

Wishful thinking

LuasSimon

Truthvader wrote: »

Gaddamn those snobs and their lingering fears. Why cant they just get over it? Sinn Fein have vision of a joyful Gaelic United Ireland where we just vote for more money forever and everything is free but they keep mentioning the endless killing, the maiming of children, mindless bombing, dead Guards the protection rackets and diesel laundering Gaddammmn those sobs

You really are mad?? or else your Nigel Dodds or some other Unionist .....what were the people of Tyrone , Armagh etc supposed to do ??..lie down to the Loyalists and British and be treated like third class citizens??

When the British were in Dublin we fought them , cant understand why we find it strange people in other parts of Ireland would fight them ??...its not their island , fullstop. The same way Ireland shouldn't have control over Cornwall, Devon etc...