Sunday Independent - Sinn Fein

LuasSimon

The Sunday independent for decades has vilified Sinn Fein and anyone remotely sympathetic to the nationalist people of the 6 counties , today there’s. a very extensive interview with Mary Lou Donald . Strange times , clearly the new editor Alan English has a more inclusive philosophy that previous editors . The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not .

The Sunday independent like many papers is tanking in the sales world but it has alienated anyone with a nationalist or indeed catholic view over the years , be interesting to see can the paper reach out to a new readership audience or are all papers goosed

c montgomery

LuasSimon wrote: »

The Sunday independent for decades has vilified Sinn Fein and anyone remotely sympathetic to the nationalist people of the 6 counties , today there’s. a very extensive interview with Mary Lou Donald . Strange times , clearly the new editor Alan English has a more inclusive philosophy that previous editors . The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not .

The Sunday independent like many papers is tanking in the sales world but it has alienated anyone with a nationalist or indeed catholic view over the years , be interesting to see can the paper reach out to a new readership audience or are all papers goosed

Ya I'm sure all the young people will be rushing out to buy a paper

Wanderer78

LuasSimon wrote:

The Sunday independent like many papers is tanking in the sales world but it has alienated anyone with a nationalist or indeed catholic view over the years , be interesting to see can the paper reach out to a new readership audience or are all papers goosed

I think most are goosed unfortunately, it ll be a very different landscape in a few years, and if social media becomes our main source, God help us

Sephiroth_dude

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supremenovice

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I think most are goosed unfortunately, it ll be a very different landscape in a few years, and if social media becomes our main source, God help us

The Sindo is a staunch Fianna Fail paper with Jody Corcoran leading the way, championing Mícheal Martin like hes the next Barack Obama. He absolutely dispises Varadker. Eilis O Hanlon another who doesnt hide her disdain for the government. Eoghan Harris is completely against Sinners though. I cant think of one of their columnists who are balanced.

The Bishop Basher

LuasSimon wrote: »

The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not.

Agreed and many of the rest of them have no memory of the troubles and couldn’t care less about SInn Fein’s involvement no matter how much Leo wishes otherwise.

BohsCeltic

I stopped buying papers years ago. Much easier to get more info online.

Wanderer78

supremenovice wrote:

The Sindo is a staunch Fianna Fail paper with Jody Corcoran leading the way, championing Mícheal Martin like hes the next Barack Obama. He absolutely dispises Varadker. Eilis O Hanlon another who doesnt hide her disdain for the government. Eoghan Harris is completely against Sinners though. I cant think of one of their columnists who are balanced.

I'm more of a times person myself, but I actually don't read much at all, their podcasts are great though, there will always be bias in the media, it's how it works I guess, and I guess the independent has its followers, I'd rather see it survive though, good journalism is becoming harder to find

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I think most are goosed unfortunately, it ll be a very different landscape in a few years, and if social media becomes our main source, God help us

It already is. And you’re right, God help us.

Redgirl82

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/02/17/24-of-electorate-that-voted-sinn-fein-under-impression-100-of-nation-voted-for-party/

I think I would prefer to read this article......

nigeldaniel

The Indo trys to be unbiased and often succeeds and sometimes not. As for the sinners, well, if they don't get their press time they tend to go gaga in a big way so I suspect Sf have been badgering the indo for this pice for an age and now they have it. Last week it was Gerry this week M L next week? In short I tend to take no notice of mouthpieces in any media outlet.

Colonel Claptrap

Here's the interview for those interested. It was free to read earlier this morning but is now behind a paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/the-big-interview-sinn-fein-the-ira-and-me-mary-lou-mcdonald-39229459.html

SF won't be happy with the interview i'd wager.

Redgirl82

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Here's the interview for those interested. It was free to read earlier this morning but is now behind a paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/the-big-interview-sinn-fein-the-ira-and-me-mary-lou-mcdonald-39229459.html

SF won't be happy with the interview i'd wager.

The bit I read tell me all I need to know.....

So the reason she left FF was because she wanted to change politics. Yet she is not part of Sinn Fein Northern Ireland and has done nothing help the people of the North?

If it was such a compelling event in her life you would think she would have a passing interest in Northern Ireland


The other version, recounted by McDonald, is different, perhaps darker, but far more compelling. She vividly recalls the sadness in her house in the spring of 1981 as the hunger strikes in the Maze Prison unfolded, how tense her mother was, the national grief, the protests. Four days before she turned 12, on May 1, 1981, Bobby Sands died after 66 days on hunger strike. "It was the moment at which I realised there was something radically, radically wrong in the politics and the life of the Ireland in which I was growing up," McDonald reflected last week.

LeYouth

LuasSimon wrote: »

The Sunday independent for decades has vilified Sinn Fein and anyone remotely sympathetic to the nationalist people of the 6 counties , today there’s. a very extensive interview with Mary Lou Donald . Strange times , clearly the new editor Alan English has a more inclusive philosophy that previous editors . The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not .

The Sunday independent like many papers is tanking in the sales world but it has alienated anyone with a nationalist or indeed catholic view over the years , be interesting to see can the paper reach out to a new readership audience or are all papers goosed

I read online..mostly the journal.ie lol, cos it has a hilarious comments section.

As for Mary Lou McDonald, well, she's a certified wagon. Disagree? She loves scrapping with Varadkar (not a fan) in the Dail. How many times has she been thrown out now?

McMurphy

BohsCeltic wrote: »

I stopped buying papers years ago. Much easier to get more info online.

Not the Indo, almost every online article nowadays is "Premium" so you get a paragraph then the remainder is behind a paywall.

I'll probably buy it today to read the Hugh O'Connell / Mary Lou interview, I'm not expecting much though.

https://twitter.com/newirelander/status/1264530027359735809?s=19

but they certainly wouldn't be making their weekly or monthly targets from the likes of me.

In my opinion, the two big civil war party's exclusivity at power swapping has reached the end of the line - C&S in 2016 - possibly an official Coalition 2020 where, if that happens one will canabalise the other.

People may get ready for a shinner Govt/Taoiseach, because it's coming down the tracks. FF/G had the place for a hundred years to themselves, time to give someone else a go at things.

Truthvader

Here we go. Mary Lou, the most venal and self interested politician in history with a new story as to why she hitched her career to a bunch of thugs. A false witch dripping with fake concern playing the stateswoman before creeping back to the black cave to take instructions from Uncle Gerry, Dessie Ellis, Slab and the rest of the crew.

If you want to vote for her look at the areas controlled by Sinn Fein thugs in Norn Iron. Is that where you want to live?

McMurphy

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Yet she is not part of Sinn Fein Northern Ireland and has done nothing help the people of the North?

Sorry - you might want to run this one past me again there......

Yamanoto

Sindo's long been a crappy rag.

In the interest of balance though, the shinners are a bunch of scrotes pretending to be interested in democracy and the rule of law.

smurgen

Meh. A SF surge is bad for business for the Indo who are FF. And what else would you expect from Hugh O Connell? What would you expect from a pig only a grunt.

Colonel Claptrap

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Here's the interview for those interested. It was free to read earlier this morning but is now behind a paywall.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/the-big-interview-sinn-fein-the-ira-and-me-mary-lou-mcdonald-39229459.html

SF won't be happy with the interview i'd wager.

Its on reddit for free

Danzy

The Sindo have always had an obsession with SF, they could be mentioned in a Sports section the TV review, anywhere.

It used be very well written and have some excellent contributions.

That is no longer the case, hasn't been for years.

The uniquely vile personality that was Aengus Fanning, his ex wife Anne, her ex Eoghan and up to 4 of their offspring write, have written for the paper.

It's been a joke rag for a long time.

piplip87

The Independent is against SF because members of SF have participated in the slaughter of innocent people on this island and in the UK.

They then try to justify it by saying because people were denied civil rights it entitles them to slaughter innocent people.

Nothing justifies killing innocent people. The Irish media have every right to to keep bringing this up until every last Provo is rotting in hell with that Terrorist Sands....

Once SF stop running candidates who were Terrorists and tried to overthrow the state then they can be treated like other parties.

Edgware

Redgirl82 wrote: »

The bit I read tell me all I need to know.....

So the reason she left FF was because she wanted to change politics. Yet she is not part of Sinn Fein Northern Ireland and has done nothing help the people of the North?

If it was such a compelling event in her life you would think she would have a passing interest in Northern Ireland


The other version, recounted by McDonald, is different, perhaps darker, but far more compelling. She vividly recalls the sadness in her house in the spring of 1981 as the hunger strikes in the Maze Prison unfolded, how tense her mother was, the national grief, the protests. Four days before she turned 12, on May 1, 1981, Bobby Sands died after 66 days on hunger strike. "It was the moment at which I realised there was something radically, radically wrong in the politics and the life of the Ireland in which I was growing up," McDonald reflected last week.

Yes I'm sure she had every sympathy for the hunger strikers as she plodded off from Rathgar to her private school. Of course the useful idiots will lap it up.

Edgware

smurgen wrote: »

Meh. A SF surge is bad for business for the Indo who are FF. And what else would you expect from Hugh O Connell? What would you expect from a pig only a grunt.

Typical Shinner response. No ones opinion matters but theirs.

Fred Cryton

LuasSimon wrote: »

The young people of this country are voting Sinn Fein in huge numbers and many of them are sympathetic to the nationalists in Northern Ireland and their plight at the hands of loyalists and British army, weather we like it or not .

The young people will vote for any party offering them a free gaf.



What will the young people think when we tell them that SF members stood and applauded a man known to have murdered a Guard?

Danzy

piplip87 wrote: »

The Independent is against SF because members of SF have participated in the slaughter of innocent people on this island and in the UK.

They then try to justify it by saying because people were denied civil rights it entitles them to slaughter innocent people.

Nothing justifies killing innocent people. The Irish media have every right to to keep bringing this up until every last Provo is rotting in hell with that Terrorist Sands....

Once SF stop running candidates who were Terrorists and tried to overthrow the state then they can be treated like other parties.

So nepotism and page after page of poor Journalism and weekly repetition of the same content rehashed was holding the Provisionals to account.

You don't believe your own bs, why expect others to?

Jim Root

Read the interview; what shocked me most was that Barry Egan didn’t get a mention. I must have missed it.

Danzy

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The young people will vote for any party offering them a free gaf.



What will the young people think when we tell them that SF members stood and applauded a man known to have murdered a Guard?

I disagree with SF on many issues but the reality is most don't care.

Whatever we think of it, people look at a qtr of a century as a long time ago.

Fred Cryton

Danzy wrote: »

I disagree with SF on many issues but the reality is most don't care.

Which says a lot about them. This is the current SF membership applauding Garda killers, not something that happened 25 years ago.

Danzy

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Which says a lot about them. This is the current SF membership applauding Garda killers, not something that happened 25 years ago.

And the public largely don't care.

Redgirl82

Edgware wrote: »

Yes I'm sure she had every sympathy for the hunger strikers as she plodded off from Rathgar to her private school. Of course the useful idiots will lap it up.

How long did it take Sinn Fein to come up with that Spin....

She had no problem letting her party help in the closure of government for 3 years in Northern Ireland

Plus post here other day about Sinn Fein pushing more control to England while the unionist wanted to keep.

Yeah she really cares

Fred Cryton

Danzy wrote: »

And the public largely don't care.

SF voters don't care. The rest of the public do care. Get it right.

Blanco100

I like my news to report only fact I dont know. No time whatsoever to read opinion pieces of journalists with little to no life experience

piplip87

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Meanwhile in the real world,rents are sprilling out of control and people are sleeping on our streets in record numbers,families raised in hotels,large % population earn below living wage

...our political elites laugh and sneer at anyone who raises issue with this

But yeah,lets talk about an organisation that stopped killing people quarter of a century ago and not the glaring social issues facing the state....

Insert>>>slow clap

Oh sorry you want to talk politics. How about this

1) The homeless crisis in the North is far worse than ours when adjusted for population.

2) Levels of unemployment, suicides, people.living is poverty is far worse north of the boarder.

3) SF gave Westminster the power to cut welfare back in 2015

4) Wages are far higher down here. This can be seen by the hundreds of Northern registered vans that travel down everyday.

So there's SFs record in government.

As for their manifesto for the last election. They promised to raise the Vacent site levey. They proposed doubling this to bring in 100 Million. It currently brings in about one million so

1000000 X 2 = 100M

Now it's no wonder their supporters think that 24% is a majority.

They also want to bring in a living wage yet they have no plan to manage the inflation or price hikes which will follow. So yes you may get your 14 quid an hour but silced pan will cost 4 Euro.

They also wanted to ban evictions. Sure that's great why bother paying a mortgage or rent for that matter..... That will also lead to landlords leaving the market and creating a massive lack in supply..... a even bigger rental crisis.

As for going to collage and getting a good job.. Well forget about it. Sure to fund the 250 quid a week basic jobseekers they want to introduce if you earn good money you will be taxed more to provide to those who can't be arsed...

As for foreign policy..... They support the ANC in South Africa a party who since Mandela passed away have become bloodthirsty for revenge. While wreaking the SA Economy.

Then we have Venezuela. Supporting a regime that has people eating rats to survive while the Daughter of the Revolution, Chavez's Daughter is one of the richest people on the planet ?

Then we have the EU. SF have opposed every single EU treaty. Every single EU mechanism (well except those which throw money into republican areas in the North) so much so Farage used a Marylou speech during the Brexit Campaign. Yet once the DUP supported Brexit SF had to change their stance.

Least we not forget the Friends of SF branch in the States. Made up of some of the worst members of Congress. Yet the SF begging bowl comes out every year and they have been known to hide things when some.of these "Friends" come to visit. They removed all mentions of Che Guevara from the shop when a well know Republican member of NORAID came to visit.

It's not just he troubles. There's a long list of reasons why SF should not be trusted

Rodney Bathgate

Edgware wrote: »

Typical Shinner response. No ones opinion matters but theirs.

Same attitude that had them demanding to be let go into government.

CrankyHaus

Hugh O'Connell is better known for his strong bias than the quality of his journalism, so I'm not too hopeful about the article.

His interview with Charlie McCreevy in the Sunday Business Post a few years ago was the cringiest puff piece I ever saw in that paper, which usually kept a higher standard. The Sindo's a better home for him.

piplip87

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Which says a lot about them. This is the current SF membership applauding Garda killers, not something that happened 25 years ago.

My local SF TD started a relationship with one of those men after he went to prison, married him in prison and conceived a child in a broom closet in Castlerea. It hardly indicates good judgement there

Truthvader

Fred Cryton wrote: »

SF voters don't care. The rest of the public do care. Get it right.

Sinn Fein get about 25% of the vote these days. In the last election that was with an economy humming at full employment (pre covid) the main issue being that there was so much money swilling about that house prices were driven up. So thats every fourth person you meet either doesn't care what they have done and continue to do or are too thick to know what they are. They want a cheaper house or whatever and will vote for them. Wait until post covid when unemployment is at 20% and see what the proud Irish nation are capable of.

Danzy

Fred Cryton wrote: »

SF voters don't care. The rest of the public do care. Get it right.

Honestly?

Maybe not as little as I imagine or as much as you imagine.

It's not going to prevent them from being a top 2 party after the next election.

FF look the most vulnerable in the long run and may just be consumed by FG.


That's a view widely held by FG and FF strategists.

LuasSimon

This paper and some of the views here all came about as a result of a fudged treaty signed by Michael. Collins and co.
We should have had a United ireland or else all remain part of the United Kingdom . How did we ever expect the people of Tyrone or Armagh etc put up with British and loyalist rule when those of us in Dublin , Cork etc fought the British when we were under their thumb. A partitioned island is one of the most fcuked up set ups ever created and I’m only surprised more haven’t died over it .

s1ippy

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The young people will vote for any party offering them a free gaf.

Maybe if the parties running the show even remotely prioritised housing we would take them seriously. The last four decades have seen inflation of the value of housing increase tenfold and no reflection of that in salaries. Most young people can't even begin to dream of home ownership and rents are extortionate, usually half the paltry annual salary.

You can scoff at SF but if they're the only alternative to the other sociopaths then I'll take those who are f*ckin up the system for the current controlling body every time. It will probably be the usual, once they're in power nothing changes but the problem isn't with young people then, it's with democracy and capitalism.

As for the Independent, what's the point in paying for content when all the journos are up on twitter having a screaming competition the whole time.

Ah no in fairness I have a sub for the Irish Times and local papers.

All Irish news is startlingly pro-government most of the time, always stamping down alternatives the the status quo, rightly or wrongly. It would be great if instead of a corrupt, competitive system where those involved are always trying to get one over on each other or spin something, there was a foundation of people genuinely wanting to develop and improve things for future generations.

No wonder so many people kill themselves these days, the world is woeful and Ireland is more f*cked than ever and it is mandatory to opt in to the system to survive through employment, taxation and voting. But the odds are always stacked in favour of the winners and all the rest get to eat sh!t.

But anyway I want a free house.

Truthvader

LuasSimon wrote: »

This paper and some of the views here all came about as a result of a fudged treaty signed by Michael. Collins and co.
We should have had a United ireland or else all remain part of the United Kingdom . How did we ever expect the people of Tyrone or Armagh etc put up with British and loyalist rule when those of us in Dublin , Cork etc fought the British when we were under their thumb. A partitioned island is one of the most fcuked up set ups ever created and I’m only surprised more haven’t died over it .

Oh deary me. Get a girlfriend a boyfriend or a job. Write a book, go for a walk and thank all creation that you live in a free society where you can be what you want to be and have a reliable independent police force and judiciary. You can even vote for Sinn Fein or Gemma O'Doherty

But do not waste your gifts digging up the lifeless corpse of the dead who have nothing to offer and nothing to say.

smurgen

Edgware wrote: »

Typical Shinner response. No ones opinion matters but theirs.

I'm pointing out Hugh is biased. You disagree he's biased?

Zebra3

piplip87 wrote: »

The Independent is against SF because members of SF have participated in the slaughter of innocent people on this island and in the UK.

They then try to justify it by saying because people were denied civil rights it entitles them to slaughter innocent people.

Nothing justifies killing innocent people. The Irish media have every right to to keep bringing this up until every last Provo is rotting in hell with that Terrorist Sands....

Once SF stop running candidates who were Terrorists and tried to overthrow the state then they can be treated like other parties.

Strange.

Have never seen the Indo hold FF/FG/Lab/PDs/Greens to account for American forces using Ireland as military base for their terrorism.

Truthvader

Zebra3 wrote: »

Strange.

Have never seen the Indo hold FF/FG/Lab/PDs/Greens to account for American forces using Ireland as military base for their terrorism.

Dont think the Americans bombed anywhere here or murdered our citizens or Guards

Truthvader

Truthvader wrote: »

Dont think the Americans bombed anywhere here or murdered our citizens or Guards

Indeed,they done.things many many multiples worse


But much like the ira,noone really cares

Redgirl82

Zebra3 wrote: »

Strange.

Have never seen the Indo hold FF/FG/Lab/PDs/Greens to account for American forces using Ireland as military base for their terrorism.

Not sure how you can make the comparison? did they drop a few bombs over Ireland as they left?

touts

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The young people will vote for any party offering them a free gaf.



What will the young people think when we tell them that SF members stood and applauded a man known to have murdered a Guard?

A better question will be what will young people think when they discover the house might be free because someone else paid for it but they will be paying 80% tax because they are the "someone else"

The Sindo isnt biased against Sinn Fein. They are one of the few not afraid to speak the truth about Sinn Fein. Even when doing so could result in a bomb under your car they still spoke the truth about Sinn Fein. Now that Sinn Fein fight their war with lies (e.g. the majority want us to rule when 74% voted against them) and empty Marxist promises (you can have everything you want for free) the Sindo are one of the few still standing up and calling them out even though history has shown that Marxist parties who come to power are not kind to media and journalists who opposed them in their rise to power.

The Sindo and their journalists should be commended for standing up for freedom and democracy in Ireland.

Banner fights back

The Sindo and Indo used to be decent. But when Denis O Brien defeated Tony O Reilly to the ownership of Independent news and media that was the ultimate death nail for them.

Incredibly biased towards FG. When's the last time any of their journalists openly criticised failed FG policies. A very long time I'd guess. The last GE really drew a raw nerve. In particular their nasty politically motivated coverage where they deliberately targeted FF 're votegate was of particular concern for those who continue to support and encourage unbiased and independent media without political and vested interests interference and infleunce.

The Indo had the audacity to criticise nurses when they went on strike to seek deserved better pay and conditions back in early 2019. I haven't brought the paper or the sindo for that matter since this unprovoked attack on those who continue to save lives even in appalling working conditions.

As for Sinn Fein I can't understand how Mary Lou gave an interview with that right wing Sindo this morning. It did her and SF no favours whatsoever. Hugh O Connell should really be ashamed with himself with his unprofessional conduct I felt.

I can only imagine both papers quite literally licking their lips at a second ge in 2020. Another chance to promote the FG message as this "responsible and great party" while attacking the "reckless opposition".

Stay away from the Indo and Sindo axis. It's promotes rubbish tabloid clickbait but still holds huge sway despite this. Remember ff deputies Timmy Dooley and Lisa Chambers who were at the centre of the biased votegate controversy that the Indo tried to politicize to inflect maximum damage to Fg's opponents. Both Dooley and Chambers are no longer TD's.

Zebra3

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Not sure how you can make the comparison? did they drop a few bombs over Ireland as they left?

Yeah, bizarre comparison.

Those parties are complicit in killing far higher number of human beings.

Oh wait, we only care about Irish people now?

So IRA attacks that killed British civilians are fine?

Edgware

piplip87 wrote: »

My local SF TD started a relationship with one of those men after he went to prison, married him in prison and conceived a child in a broom closet in Castlerea. It hardly indicates good judgement there

And that really worked out well for her