Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

Diarmuid

SteM wrote: »

They've had a much tougher lockdown there. Ours has been a walk in the park in comparison, no pun intended.

No it wasn't.

I was living there for the first two weeks of the French lockdown. It was pretty much the same as ours with the 1km instead of 2km for the exercise distance

facehugger99

sporina wrote: »

get this.. a "friend" of one of my bro's colleagues asked him if he could give him a copy of his work letter (proof that he needs to travel to work) so that he can get out and about.. wtf? the cheek! thankfully his colleague told his "friend" where to go! I dunno... alien to me..

Has anyone had a Guard actually read their letter?

I know anytime I've been stopped, I've just said who I work for and mention I have a letter and I'm immediately waved through. Never even had to take out the letter.

I have a very honest face and demeanor so possibly that has something to do with it.

weldoninhio

sporina wrote: »

get this.. a "friend" of one of my bro's colleagues asked him if he could give him a copy of his work letter (proof that he needs to travel to work) so that he can get out and about.. wtf? the cheek! thankfully his colleague told his "friend" where to go! I dunno... alien to me..

Fairly common i'd say. I'd 2 letters from different companies before I got one from work. Mates just forwarded them on.

millb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How did it spread so much around the country then?

Cheltenham brought back a bunch Some pub clusters were identified in a few counties and more cases scattered Would be great to know how many punters died and how long it took...

Another vector was students returning from Dublin Colleges (asymptomatic) who caused problems and deaths to parents and others.

Red Alert

Hands-up, I walk 2km to my girlfriend's house, we sit outside, then I walk back home. She doesn't go out in the current climate at all, and I do the shopping for us both as she has no car. There is a very flippant "can't ye just move in together" attitude from many online about non-cohabiting couples - not every couple are at that stage, both of us have equipment for our jobs at home, and in any event she was self-isolating prior to the original lockdown.

My car only goes out once a week to go to the nearest LIDL, Dunnes and Butcher shop.

I am very lucky having a garden, and being a relatively solitary individual so the lack of pubs etc isn't bothering me. I have no desire to rush back to large events. But I really have empathy for people who are going mad by now - they're not snowflakes, they're not being selfish, they are just being human. If I lived in a 1-bed apartment with no balcony I'd probably have cracked long ago.

There will be much less of anticipatory relaxation if they come clean about what the plan for some relaxations are. Any sane person knows that relaxing the restrictions will be bit-by-bit, but the media are glossing over just what that means.

mulbot

Red Alert wrote: »

Hands-up, I walk 2km to my girlfriend's house, we sit outside, then I walk back home. She doesn't go out in the current climate at all, and I do the shopping for us both. There is a very flippant "can't ye just move in together" attitude from many online about non-cohabiting couples - not every couple are at that stage, and both of us have equipment for our jobs at home, and she was self-isolating prior to the original lockdown.

My car only goes out to go to the nearest LIDL, Dunnes and Butcher shop.

There will be much less of anticipatory relaxation if they come clean about what the plan for some relaxations are. Any sane person knows that relaxing the restrictions will be bit-by-bit, but the media are glossing over just what that means.

There isn't anything wrong with meeting your girlfriend as long as its in the 2km area and you keep your physical distance - if you're exercising(that's according to the big dance troupe malarkey that Rte displayed the other evening)

BillyBiggs

JimmyVik wrote: »

I would certainly rather stay in lockdown til the virys is gone from the public.
But the big probelm is that its the people who wont stick to the rules necessary for this to happen who are preventing it. We will be back to square one again.

The virus will not be gone from the general public in the next 6 months, so lock yourself up for another 6 months at least.

SteM

Diarmuid wrote: »

No it wasn't.

I was living there for the first two weeks of the French lockdown. It was pretty much the same as ours with the 1km instead of 2km for the exercise distance

My mother in law lives in the south of France with her son. She says that they're very strict where she lives. Fines being handed out without any of the warnings people here are receiving.

smelly sock

BillyBiggs wrote: »

The virus will not be gone from the general public in the next 6 months, so lock yourself up for another 6 months at least.

Even though it has very little impact on the majority?

SweetCaliber

These restrictions did their job in the beginning, slowed the spread and allowed hospitals to cope and we now have double the ICU capacity. However unless Leo wants the restrictions to last until we have a vaccine, I do not see the need for them anymore.

If they are worried about ICU beds easing the restrictions next week, then the same can be said for the week after, or the week after that, and so on.

I've stuck by the restrictions from day one, travel to from work, to the shop and for brief exercise a couple days a week. However I've noticed more cars on the roads, more complacency setting in as of late. The government need to start planning a way out as people will quickly loose faith in them and what might happen could be worse than easing the restrictions.

lainey_d_123

I'm in the UK and can't quite believe how many people just STILL don't get it.

Every single day, there are messages on our work chat from people saying they're 'popping to Tescos for a sandwich' at 1pm. They complain about having to queue up outside and it taking ages.

Why in the ever loving f**k are they going out to get a sandwich as if this were normal times? Can they not go to the shops once a week, get a loaf of bread, a block of cheddar and a multipack of crisps?

Every single person who does this is adding to the crowding inside and outside shops, and exposing shop workers to more risk. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever to go to the shop every day right now. I'm sure these people would make the excuse that they live in flatshares and have limited space, but that's true for me as well. You don't need much space for some cheese, milk, butter and bread, and anything that doesn't need to be kept cold can be stored in your bedroom. I would rather not even go as often as once a week and wish I had more space, but that's a hell of a lot better than every day!

It's scary how common it is among people who are supposedly intelligent and consider themselves good people who are adhering to the guidelines.

Diarmuid

SteM wrote: »

My mother in law lives in the south of France with her son. She says that they're very strict where she lives. Fines being handed out without any of the warnings people here are receiving.

She's not giving you the full picture then I'm afraid

There are fines if you travel without a self certified form. In other words you bring a form with you that you sign. If you don't and you are stopped you will be fined. All here.

I drove the full length of France without being checked once. that's 1300km. I also left my apartment twice daily and for a number of hours at the weekend. Never once checked. And that's in the center of Nice.

Like I said, there's not much in the difference from here

Sono Topolino

Red Alert wrote: »

Hands-up, I walk 2km to my girlfriend's house, we sit outside, then I walk back home. She doesn't go out in the current climate at all, and I do the shopping for us both as she has no car. There is a very flippant "can't ye just move in together" attitude from many online about non-cohabiting couples - not every couple are at that stage, both of us have equipment for our jobs at home, and in any event she was self-isolating prior to the original lockdown.

My car only goes out once a week to go to the nearest LIDL, Dunnes and Butcher shop.

I am very lucky having a garden, and being a relatively solitary individual so the lack of pubs etc isn't bothering me. I have no desire to rush back to large events. But I really have empathy for people who are going mad by now - they're not snowflakes, they're not being selfish, they are just being human. If I lived in a 1-bed apartment with no balcony I'd probably have cracked long ago.

There will be much less of anticipatory relaxation if they come clean about what the plan for some relaxations are. Any sane person knows that relaxing the restrictions will be bit-by-bit, but the media are glossing over just what that means.

2KM is for exercise not for meeting your girlfriend. Move in if you want to keep meeting up or use Zoom like the rest of us.

You can get all you need in either Lidl or Dunnes - why do you need to go to three shops? Two of those trips are non-essential.

You seem to think you are special and that you deserve special rules. You are not.

maxsmum

Sono Topolino wrote: »

2KM is for exercise not for meeting your girlfriend. Move in if you want to keep meeting up or use Zoom like the rest of us.

You can get all you need in either Lidl or Dunnes - why do you need to go to three shops? Two of those trips are non-essential.

You seem to think you are special and that you deserve special rules. You are not.

Jesus, does it matter if your 2km exercise ends in your partner's house? These people are just trying to maintain some sanity here. I meet people out on our walk and we chat at a distance. What am I meant to do, run away?
And we go to 2 supermarkets each week as certain ones have certain things, you can't get everything in one - not if you have kids anyway in my experience. A lot have absolutely crap supplies of some things some days. We also need to get bread and milk most days in the local shop.

I don't think that poster thought he was special and I don't think anyone would begrudge him his walks to see his girlfriend.

mulbot

Sono Topolino wrote: »

2KM is for exercise not for meeting your girlfriend. Move in if you want to keep meeting up or use Zoom like the rest of us.

You can get all you need in either Lidl or Dunnes - why do you need to go to three shops? Two of those trips are non-essential.

You seem to think you are special and that you deserve special rules. You are not.

He said he walks to his girlfriends house, that's exercise in anyone's book. He stays within his 2km,nothing wrong with that. Can maintain his Physical distance while there. There's no issue here, move on

weldoninhio

Sono Topolino wrote: »

2KM is for exercise not for meeting your girlfriend. Move in if you want to keep meeting up or use Zoom like the rest of us.

You can get all you need in either Lidl or Dunnes - why do you need to go to three shops? Two of those trips are non-essential.

You seem to think you are special and that you deserve special rules. You are not.

I go to the shop twice a day. Pop in on my way to work to get some orange juice, then head to the shop for lunch. I’ll also stop off at my local Tesco on the way home this evening to pick up something to go with the meat I had delivered today.

VonLuck

weldoninhio wrote: »

I go to the shop twice a day. Pop in on my way to work to get some orange juice, then head to the shop for lunch. I’ll also stop off at my local Tesco on the way home this evening to pick up something to go with the meat I had delivered today.

Twice a day?! I'm all for giving people some leeway going to the shop a few times a week but twice a day is totally unnecessary.

SteM

Diarmuid wrote: »

She's not giving you the full picture then I'm afraid

There are fines if you travel without a self certified form. In other words you bring a form with you that you sign. If you don't and you are stopped you will be fined. All here.

I drove the full length of France without being checked once. that's 1300km. I also left my apartment twice daily and for a number of hours at the weekend. Never once checked. And that's in the center of Nice.

Like I said, there's not much in the difference from here

With all due respect, you were there for 2 weeks. You don't know the situation in the village she lives in so I'll go on her 'picture' rather than someone I don't know if that's okay.

Wibbs

FTP wrote: »

Cant get your prostate milked over zoom to be fair.

:pac::pac::pac:

weldoninhio

VonLuck wrote: »

Twice a day?! I'm all for giving people some leeway going to the shop a few times a week but twice a day is totally unnecessary.

How is it? I go in on my way to work at 8am and it’s generally empty, then get my lunch there.

Plumbthedepths

Public being blamed for the failing of government and the HSE....

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955

hmmm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Public being blamed for the failing of government and the HSE....

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955

Another attempt to find someone to blame.

The HSE can't solve this virus through testing. The Government can't magic it away.

We all have to do our bit. The restrictions we have are barely keeping it in check, there is very little scope to relax anything.

Plumbthedepths

hmmm wrote: »

Another attempt to find someone to blame.

The HSE can't solve this virus through testing. The Government can't magic it away.

We all have to do our bit. The restrictions we have are barely keeping it in check, there is very little scope to relax anything.

The restrictions on the wider public will have what effect on where the majority of deaths have and are continuing to happen. You know the nursing homes and long term care facilities.
You need to back up your claim that the restrictions are barely keeping the virus in check.

Sawduck

What happens if you are caught beyond the 2km, do you get a fine or just a talking to

trapp

Sawduck wrote: »

What happens if you are caught beyond the 2km, do you get a fine or just a talking to

the army escort you home and weld you into your house under the orders of Prof nolan, tony holohan and lockdown leo

Heard it on whatsapp today
































joke

i think the policy is to encouarage you to go home and remind you why

Thoie

People don't seem to understand that the 2km is not some magic protective bubble. It was picked to stop half the country all driving to the same scenic spot at the same time for their exercise. I run into the gardaí fairly often on my daily walk. One of them asked once if I lived nearby (in a nice, conversational way, not an interrogation), and they haven't bothered me since. Walking alone, maintaining distance from other walkers/joggers/cyclists, they don't mind if you stray over the imaginary line, as long as you don't start congregating in popular spots.

There's a point half way along my walk where I traditionally took a break, had a cup of coffee and caught my breath before heading off again. The gardaí don't want people hanging about there at the moment, not because they don't want me to drink coffee, but because if one person is sitting there for 5 minutes, two other people will come along and sit there for 15, then 5 people will see them and hang out there for 30... all the time getting closer to each other.

My biggest transgression so far was going to the shop more than once a week, because I'm a big fecking eejit and came away without milk from my "big shop" earlier. I ran into a petrol station on the way back from my walk and grabbed milk there.

In some ways the lockdown isn't as hard on me as it is for others, as I'm generally happy enough in my own company. On the other hand there's been a few big pieces of bad (personal) news over the last weeks, with more coming shortly, and I'm keeping it bottled up. They're not the sort of thing I want to share with family and friends over the phone/video conference. I'm feeling a bit helpless about them, and don't want to leave others feeling similarly helpless at the moment.

RCK1

VonLuck wrote: »

Twice a day?! I'm all for giving people some leeway going to the shop a few times a week but twice a day is totally unnecessary.

Thats actually 3 times going to the shop for the op which is over the top.

lainey_d_123

Sono Topolino wrote: »

2KM is for exercise not for meeting your girlfriend. Move in if you want to keep meeting up or use Zoom like the rest of us.

You can get all you need in either Lidl or Dunnes - why do you need to go to three shops? Two of those trips are non-essential.

You seem to think you are special and that you deserve special rules. You are not.

Don't be ridiculous. There's no risk to the public in visiting someone who lives alone and is isolating, once you're not using public transport to get there. You are allowed to bring people groceries.

weldoninhio wrote: »

I go to the shop twice a day. Pop in on my way to work to get some orange juice, then head to the shop for lunch. I’ll also stop off at my local Tesco on the way home this evening to pick up something to go with the meat I had delivered today.

This is reckless and way more risky and irresponsible than what the fella mentioned above is doing. Every single time you go to the shop, you're putting the workers at risk. Why are you so special? Why can you not go once a week, like most people are doing? Are you not capable of planning your dinners ahead like a big boy? Need to get your chicken roll because you can't make a sandwich?

pjohnson

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

This is reckless and way more risky and irresponsible than what the fella mentioned above is doing. Every single time you go to the shop, you're putting the workers at risk. Why are you so special? Why can you not go once a week, like most people are doing? Are you not capable of planning your dinners ahead like a big boy? Need to get your chicken roll because you can't make a sandwich?

Welly is a cool boy. He was bigging it up in pubs happily before going to "work" for the HSE.

VonLuck

weldoninhio wrote: »

How is it? I go in on my way to work at 8am and it’s generally empty, then get my lunch there.

Because you don't need to get your orange juice in the morning and you don't need to go out for lunch.