How will schools be able to go back in September?

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

I just fear that the department will sit on their hands and the closure will extend to January.

Just to respond to this. I can reassure you that the Department are not sitting on their hands at all, in fact they are working 16 hours a day, that I know of, trying to find a safe solution to an unprecedented global pandemic.

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

Just to respond to this. I can reassure you that the Department are not sitting on their hands at all, in fact they are working 16 hours a day, that I know of, trying to find a safe solution to an unprecedented global pandemic.

In that case I would be more optimistic.

s1ippy

starbaby2003 wrote: »

No you are. The economy takes priority. Parents need childcare and or school in order to partake in said economy. If you think people are just going to sit at home for the next year, you are very very mistaken on how the world works.

*worked

trapp

starbaby2003 wrote: »

You are OBSESSED with saying January and absolutely NOTHING to back it up. Give it a rest or at least provide something to back this date up.

I have nothing to back it up.

The current crisis perhaps.

I would not be surprised at all if schools did not return until September 2021.

I think it would be wrong but wouldn't be surprised.

khalessi

starbaby2003 wrote: »

No you are. The economy takes priority. Parents need childcare and or school in order to partake in said economy. If you think people are just going to sit at home for the next year, you are very very mistaken on how the world works.

Childcare and schools are two different issues

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

I have nothing to back it up.

The current crisis perhaps.

I would not be surprised at all if schools did not return until September 2021.

I think it would be wrong but wouldn't be surprised.

Since as you have said, you have nothing to back it up, would it not be better if you kept your fears and worries to yourself instead of scaremongering?

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

Since as you have said, you have nothing to back it up, would it not be better if you kept your fears and worries to yourself instead of scremongering?

When do you think schools will reopen?

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

When do you think schools will reopen?

The issue according to the title of this thread is how not when schools will reopen and my interest is how they will be able to do so safely.

I have a date in my head but have no proof for it and how by answering your question will that help anything here as it is just one opinion of many.

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

The issue according to the title of this thread is how not when schools will reopen and my interest is how they will be able to do so safely.

I have a date in my head but have no proof for it and how by answering your question will that help anything here as it is just one opinion of many.

The title is how will they go back in September.

I think January is a much better target to aim for.

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

The title is how will they go back in September.

I think January is a much better target to aim for.

Exactly the title is how, not to predict when

How do I tie my shoelaces? The answer is not January, it is a description of how one moves the laces to get them tied.

trapp

khalessi wrote: »

Exactly the title is how, not to predict when

How do I tie my shoelaces? The answer is not January, it is a description of how one moves the laces to get them tied.

How will they go back in September?

They won't.

January?

Hopefully.

September 2021 most realistic I fear.

TheValeyard

I'd say September.

But...

Every Wednesday could be a Junior Cert day and Thursday, Friday could be a correction day / study day.

LC continues as normal during the week

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

How will they go back in September?

They won't.

January?

Hopefully.

September 2021 most realistic I fear.

Trapp, you have said you dont have any evidence but as we know empty vessels make the most noise, thank you for your input

wirelessdude01

PeterPan92 wrote: »

I am a primary teacher working online constantly, as are all teachers in my school. The vast majority of parents in the school are understanding and co-operative. However, we have seen a number of teachers in our school complaining about how Communions and Confirmations were cancelled, how the school has not rearranged these dates, and how it is a "joke" that the school cannot give them an answer to questions regarding these sacraments. The school obviously have more pressing matters to attend to, and also is clearly incapable of answering such inquiries at present.

My issue with this is that, even if schools were to return, it is highly unlikely events like the Communion and Confirmation could happen anyway, as they are such large events (70-80 children at each, plus families), and they also encourage family gatherings afterwards.

For want of a better word parents/guardians are 'thick' when it comes to things like this. Schools have no say in when these are held. The dates come from the diocesan office. Like just look around them at everything that is cancelled.and the only thing bothering them is that 🙄

wirelessdude01

trapp wrote: »

This would be especially for small 2/3 teacher schools, larger schools would manage as already plenty of learning support teachers to cover classes.

Jesus you have little respect for what SET teachers actually do. Their children need support moreso than your 'average' child.

jrosen

khalessi wrote: »

Childcare and schools are two different issues

Childcare and schools may be different issues but there is a huge % of the population who work around school time tables and who would have no childcare for the hours their child is usually in school.

So unless there is a sudden surge in creche places or child minders parents wont be able to return to work in full capacity without schools opening.

trapp

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Jesus you have little respect for what SET teachers actually do. Their children need support moreso than your 'average' child.

I have loads of respect for what they do in normal times.

I was just considering options for how to keep schools open or even open at times over the next few years.

These teachers covering classes might be better and allow sub teachers to become permanent for the year in smaller schools rather than moving from school to school in a pandemic.

Idbatterim

Parish hall , church , sport hall, they can easily segregate a lot of them !

Lackey

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Where the fcuk do you live? America? Grad night, pre debs, debs, LC holiday!??!?? Get a grip for God's sake!!

Straight after my leaving I went to the bog and the hurling field for 3 months and then straight to college. That's real life. Not some suburban US fantasy land that you and your children seem to exist in.

Ha!
and in your day you walked to school.. 10 miles with holes in your shoes...in the snow I bet
And when you were ‘on the bog’ there was someone older giving out about you not knowing a hard life if it slapped you in the face, heading off to college with ‘notions’

None of these things are big and fancy where I live but they do happen
And I think it’s very harsh to just say ‘they’ll have to get on with it’ it lacks empathy

trapp

Idbatterim wrote: »

Parish hall , church , sport hall, they can easily segregate a lot of them !

Exactly but needs to be planned for.

to expect this planning to be ready by september is wishful thinking.

Open again in January around the country and September 2021 in Dublin I fear.

khalessi

trapp wrote: »

Exactly but needs to be planned for.

to expect this planning to be ready by september is wishful thinking.

Open again in January around the country and September 2021 in Dublin I fear.

You have no evidence, as you yourself stated for a Dublin 2021 reopening and if you do can you please provide the link

r93kaey5p2izun

Idbatterim wrote: »

Parish hall , church , sport hall, they can easily segregate a lot of them !

Would you envisage much actual teaching and education occurring in this sort of scenario? Or just crowd control to allow parents go back to work? The thoughts that children would sit quietly spaced out in a big hall and listen to a distant teacher and actually learn something is fairly pie in the sky I think. Teenagers even less likely to comply.

NIMAN

trapp wrote: »

Exactly but needs to be planned for.

to expect this planning to be ready by september is wishful thinking.

Open again in January around the country and September 2021 in Dublin I fear.

Not a chance.
There is no way kids will be off school in Dublin until Sept 2021.

The economy, plus schools , businesses, offices etc will all have to be back up and running long before this year is out imho. We have to get the country back up and running asap, even if this means the old and compromised taking extra precautions and the rest of us getting on with it. We may have to live with a certain death toll, as cruel as that sounds.

joe40

This is affecting the whole world. I can't imagine education globally coming to a halt much past September. This will have knock on affects for colleges etc. Even just consider the Doctor and nurses that retire this year s new crop of replacements will be needed.
It is a conveyor belt. LC to college, college to graduates etc.

byhookorbycrook

Idbatterim wrote: »

Parish hall , church , sport hall, they can easily segregate a lot of them !

Many primary schools don’t have a hall . Can you imagine trying to teach 30 6 year olds in a church ? What about bathrooms ? Child protection measures for off-site classes ?What about school transport ?

antgal23

Govt officials said there'll be a lifting of restrictions on a reversed basis, e.g. schools were closed first and will be last time open


(If Govt reach aim of RO below one)

With current restrictions in place until May 5th one would hope that movement restrictions will be relaxed on this date.

Followed by non- essential retail, then bars then schools.

I suggest early June for retail, early August for bars and September for schools

Could be completely wrong here

r93kaey5p2izun

antgal23 wrote: »

Govt officials said there'll be a lifting of restrictions on a reversed basis, e.g. schools were closed first and will be last time open


(If Govt reach aim of RO below one)

With current restrictions in place until May 5th one would hope that movement restrictions will be relaxed on this date.

Followed by non- essential retail, then bars then schools.

I suggest early June for retail, early August for bars and September for schools

Could be completely wrong here

They're planning for one LC exam a day with increased spacing using JC supervisors in August, and have flagged staggered opening as a possibility for September to unions just a few days ago. I think it's highly unlikely on that basis that bars would be open in August and schools back to normal fully in September. It could happen, but it certainly does not look like that's what the government is preparing for.

Ray Donovan

Just running with this thought process.

Say a school has 200 pupils and 12 teachers including Special Ed.

Monday to Wednesday lunchtime - 100 kids are brought in and split into the 12 rooms and taught by the teachers in a ratio of 8/9 pupils to 1 teachers.

At lunchtime on Wednesday these 100 kids go home and the other 100 come in and repeat.

No children withdrawn for Special Ed unfortunately due to logistics etc.

Just a thought but probably a million reasons why this couldn’t happen.

khalessi

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Just running with this thought process.

Say a school has 200 pupils and 12 teachers including Special Ed.

Monday to Wednesday lunchtime - 100 kids are brought in and split into the 12 rooms and taught by the teachers in a ratio of 8/9 pupils to 1 teachers.

At lunchtime on Wednesday these 100 kids go home and the other 100 come in and repeat.

No children withdrawn for Special Ed unfortunately due to logistics etc.

Just a thought but probably a million reasons why this couldn’t happen.

The biggest issue I can see with this is parents saying they couldnt work as who would mind the kids not in school. It probably is an ide being considered but who knows.

ZX7R

Primary school are actually the easiest for the government to facilitate a return to school.
Easiest for return in September.
For example a class of 30 students can be rotated daily 15 on 15 off teacher and class help to inforce social distancing.

Secondary schools will be much more harder ,main problem being the students move from classroom to classroom for each subject.
some ideas I've heard is the students don't move but the teachers do and have one day a week for classes that require students to be in a specialised classroom example science, biology ECT.
Could start back in September with work.

Collages/ universities
That is the biggest nightmare to try and facilitate a return for students some campuses in Ireland could have up to
13000 students some full time some part-time post graduates
At the moment most are looking at a mixture of on line teaching and lectures on campus.
3rd level education will be a logistical nightmare for social distancing.
Can't see a return before November as they will need to clear this year's exams.

Teachers Union's and other Union's that are connected to education are and will have to adapt to the circumstances.
It's going to be a New world for our education system.